Estoc

Works for me.

Had to fight multiple dcs and walk out of the battlefield to teleport.

I'm confused. My cache is 100% and I have no ability bar.

I'd love to know. Used a workaround and got it from one of the pre set loadouts, but when I logged out it disappeared. F4 brings it up sort of, but you can't move it around or anything.

Sauron.

The nautical enthusiast in me is screaming "shrouds and ratlines! Those are shrouds and ratlines!"

It's on the same level as beating Jad for the Karamja elite diary. It pissed off a lot of people, and I'm sure Jagex would want to avoid doing that again if they could.

Uh, these are what I got after that drop: Have never gotten a dragon armour lump... Even pre-EOC where I got one claw drop (15m). [spoiler=The tears...]They are delicious :P. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

The original reset was based on people not researching a purchase before committing, just as all my examples were, and is the only reason we are considering resets as a real possibility and not a hypothetical situation now. Rings were not broken or worded poorly when EoC was released, they were merely changed, and like group vengeance and chaotics, they are not as useful anymore. Jagex messed up with the original ring descriptions (which the original reset fixed). They claimed they worked in a way they didn't and many people spent tokens on something they didn't want. EoC's ring changes were 100% planned and are working as intended. There is simply nothing to fix.

#2 Got friend to bless but still... Your move Qbd. Edit: I'm crying.

I agree fully. However, making a choice and dealing with the consequences is one of the ideals I look for in a video game, not a problem. Then where is my reset for group vengeance? It's now a shadow of it's former self. Where is my sell option for poh steel dragon? Aquanite task unlock? Ice strykwyrm kills without firecape? Remove option for toolbelted dragon hatchet and pickaxe? Hazeel cult (only way to get mark of Hazeel is taking the evil side)? Hell, where is my sell option for chaotics? I bought a bunch of them and now have 2/3 level 90 weapon sets. I want my tokens back because the thing I paid for has become obsolete. In my opinion, offering do overs for these would cheapen them. Steel dragons would not be impressive if you could just sell them like castlewars rewards for full price. I'd have a house full of them right now, and combined they would mean less than the single one I have. On the contrary, I can, and plan to use this reset if it comes. However, if I step back and look at the big picture, resets look like a mistake.

You're putting an almost religous amount of faith in something you know almost nothing about.

I especially like the "macroing detected - you have been banned BANNED!"

False... Thieving can be afk if you do dwarf traders... Single spot clicking ftw. *Takes mouse into living room to train thieving while watching tv* *Comes back half hour later* "You are horribly burnt by dragonfire" "Oh year, you are dead"

If its possible then its always an option. Ring resets are an even better option than rollbacks because they don't effect anyone negatively. They also don't require the massive amount of work that returning lost items does with checking each account. No, sorry I really do think you are mistaken in this context. No, I don't think he is. Who would a ring reset have effected negatively? How would it have required a massive amount of work? Ring resets would be fine if they were there from the beginning and functioned essentially the same as selling items back to a shop or something to balance it. However, they're currently being used as a do over for people who've spent their tokens unwisely or to counteract a change in the game which change the value of a commodity the player has purchased. To answer your question, players who make bad decisions outside of dg are being affected negatively as dgers are given a free ride while they must walk. This is not me wanting an eye for an eye, this is about consistency. Either let me reset fist of guthix tokens, tokkul, runecrafting guild tokens, runespan points, barbarian assault honor points and all other currencies, or let people deal with their purchases just like it's always been. As for the amount of work, I'm pretty sure that he was referring to the fact that he doesn't agree on it being a good idea in general.

Worth noting you also have to stand inside the blue part (taking 1450 damage).

Every time I look at sea-singer.

While I agree with a lot of your points, I have to say that two wrongs don't make a right, and in this circumstance, the wrong is possible to right. Should it be righted though? Should we single out one fraction of the game where you can get do-overs when something changes? In the interest of staying somewhat on topic, in no particular order: Grinding a frost dragon bone with the bonecrusher (possibly along with demon horn necklace) Using Ring of Kinship on a fire for the LotR reference Kill a polypore creature in the dg area of the polypore dungeon Bind and fill a celestial surgebox in a dungeon Receive an extra bar from your Scroll of Efficiency Take down Warped Gulega with the help of a combat familair Trap an imp in the lesser demon resource dungeon

Because they've offered a ring reset in the past, for a similar reason? Because DG tokens aren't the same as money? Because players training the skill don't have enough of them to waste on useless options before the mid-100s? Because the skill's rewards are tied to the player's experience? Because some players still have available resets from the first time, as it's part of the ring interface? Because the changes have more of an effect on gameplay now than they did then? Did I miss anything? Remember that Berserker was still considered the best ring upgrade, people just changed their weapons to take advantage of it. The people who the reset helped most were people that bought ring upgrades before they/anyone developed their playstyles. In this case, they've flat-out changed the effects, or the mechanics behind them, without offering the same. Tactician is the same, Berserker changed into an accuracy boost. Desperado didn't change, but ranged level has next-to-no impact on damage now. Blazer went from a 50% increase to flat damage that was weaker than a basic ability (And, until recently, overwrote that ability). I'm honestly having trouble figuring out why that's so hard to understand. It's more like not offering players a ports reset if they changed armor to T75 without telling anyone, when they offered the same for not clarifying whether it was offensive or defensive. Because they've offered a ring reset in the past, for a similar reason? - Having precedent does not necessarily mean it's a good idea. Example: bonus xp weekends. Because DG tokens aren't the same as money? - Dg tokens are a currency that takes longer to acquire than rsgp. They both represent time spent doing something (earning money or training dg). Because players training the skill don't have enough of them to waste on useless options before the mid-100s? - Agreed Because the skill's rewards are tied to the player's experience? - Don't really understand what you're getting at. Seems like this is how all skills work. Because some players still have available resets from the first time, as it's part of the ring interface? - I believe having resets in the first place was a mistake. Because the changes have more of an effect on gameplay now than they did then? - Wasting tokens on dg rings that became useless is really a drop in the bucket when I look at things like specials being removed and the whole "port armor will get set effects" fiasco. People spend time earning gear/boosts all the time which are later nerfed. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't get a reset this time, i'm saying having them at all was a mistake. I mean what is the difference between dg rings not mentioning they only work on strength mode and pneumatic gauntlets' examine text falsely claiming that they make you hit higher (which has since been changed). The difference is you got an option to get your dg tokens back, but not your money.

Maxing has pretty much done as I expected and has me sitting at a bank all day chatting. Oddly enough I'm looking forward to divination if only for the fact I will have a goal to work towards again.

I am a good 10-15 hours dry at tds, duo+trio. Well over 1500 kills. Words cannot describe. [snip] Blindness simulator 2013 Maybe it doesn't drop with LS? I kill mine solo... I have no idea, but I did get one the single trip I did solo between all that lsing. My brain is telling me that it's just wishful thinking though, as much as I'd like to believe it.

I am a good 10-15 hours dry at tds, duo+trio. Well over 1500 kills. Words cannot describe. Blindness simulator 2013

If they're going to make another reset, why not just offer resets for anything? Your d claws' special is being removed? Would you like a ge reset? Paid 250k to repair barrelchest anchor? Want your money back? You chose to focus on flax in your kingdom? Want to choose herbs instead? Obviously, they aren't doing this, so why are dg rings so special?

I'm just glad I didn't use the super-elite-good-as-nex-Player-Owned-Ports™-armor.

The following message is brought to you by my isp. Can't sleep so I decide to go Qbd to make friend some money for Pernix. Internet dies as soon as I enter Qbd's room. 45 minutes later I log in to find out that I play a game that punishes not death, but internet failure.