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What are your stats that you mention in the KBD section? Also couldn't a DFS whip combo work just as well as veracs against KBD? And If I'm not mistaken the slayer helm will give the bonuses against him for black dragon tasks so you might want to add something about that in. Slayer helm with full bandos dfs whip and mage pray for slayer tasks. Just a thought... Good guide, a little more for pics and break up the "wall of text" feel that some of the guide has and its 10/10.

Selling at the min is going to ruin this method in the long run and therefore make this guide obsolete. Remove the little piece of advice. Not only will you make more money selling at the med price, but you'll have a steadier source of income as your profits won't be decreasing everytime the GE updates

Why put the battlestaves on the GE right away? Even if you don't have the level to craft them if you saved them until you do you'd make a huge amount of crafting experience, and decent mage exp from alching them afterwards. You still make around 1 k profit per staff you alch plus the mage and crafting exp. To each his (or her) own though, but if you're into getting fast exp then saving battlestaves would be smart.

Good guide, I hate PvP because I'm awful at it but I read almost any guide that I can for my own amusement. Just one mistake I found, for the prayer section you state that 70 prayer is all that's needed for a gilded alter. This isn't true. You need 72 with the crystal saw or tea from the highest level shelves in your kitchen, 69 if you use both, and I've heard that evil daves stew's potential +6 to a skill is stackable with both of those. So potentially you could get it at 63 construction. For all intents and purposes 69 works the best. 70 is wrong...

Everything Chinchompa Welcome to the guide that will tell you everything you will ever want to know about chinchompas (here after called chins, or red chins when appropriate). I achieved my goal of 99 Hunter on 3/9/08, and as promised (albeit, a little delayed) I'm writing a guide to pass on my knowledge on the creature's most often hunted for experience and also profit. So without further adieu, the guide! Red Chinchompas [hide=] Name-Carnivorous Chinchompa Level needed-63 ; Exp Gained-265 Trap-Box Trap ; Bait-Spicy minced meat Location-Feldip Hills hunter area, south of the gnome glider. Examine-More volatile than its vegetarian counterpart Ah, the aspiration of every hunter. Red chins are hunted for a couple reasons. 1. They are arguably the best hunter experience to reach level 99. 2. They can turn a handsome profit if you bank and sell all the red chins you catch until 99. 3. They are the best range experience in the game if properly trained with. Saving them all as you get 99 hunter will provide substantial range experience (in the millions). Now the price fluctuates a lot so to maximize profit patience is required, generally as the price drops off the number of hunters decreases as they move on to better money makers, which removes demand and in turn drives the price back up. So if you see the price taking a dive, don't be afraid to hold back on selling until it starts to turn around. And never sell for the minimum, not only does it cut into your profits, but it ruins the profits for others as well. If you need cash now then go kill green dragons for a few hours. \ The debate on what level to start hunting these is short, boring, and silly. If you want the most profit in getting 99 hunter, start hunting these as soon as you can at 63 hunter. If you want the fastest experience to 99 then you are better off hunting red salamanders until you hit 80. At 80 the capture rate increases dramatically, as well as gaining the ability to maintain 5 traps at a time. Lastly, there are outrageous claims of capture rates by different people. Some claim that 150/hour is good while others boast that they can catch 1000/hr. I've put in hundreds of hours in testing capture rates and 1000/hr simply isn't possible. At 99 being fully concentrated for the entire hour (on several different tests) the highest chins/hr I saw was about 500, with the average being about 450 (without the use of a familiar). Starting at 80 the average chins/hr was about 200-250 depending on how much attention I devoted to the hunting, and it increased noticeably at 85 hunter, 90 hunter, 95 hunter, and slightly at 99. So depending on your level you can expect to fall between 200 and 450 chins/hr. I started chins at 80 hunter so I have no data on anything lower than that (anything anyone wants to contribute I would be grateful for). Coming soon, pictures and different locations to hunt.[/hide] Chinchompas [hide=] Name-Chinchompa Level needed-53 ; Exp Gained- 198.5 Trap-Box Trap ; Bait-Spicy chopped tomato Location-Piscatoris Fishing Colony hunter area Examine-It looks fluffy and cute; it's probably deadly. These little puffballs are often underrated by many hunters, especially high level ones. As far as hunting experience goes, yes they are less experience than red chins per hour and per chin. However I have three main reasons why these guys should not be overlooked, and are worth hunting. 1. They are never crowded. This means you can hunt here in peace and almost never have someone come and try to steal your spots. People hunt chins to level up to red sally's and that's pretty much it. So if you see anyone they will be gone as soon as they hit their level ups and peace will be yours again. Also odds are that they do not know all the secrets to keeping/stealing spots yet (which I am still debating on whether or not I should add to this guide) so you will have almost certain spot security. So you get to keep your spot to yourself, big whoop? The big whoop is that while other people are busy world hopping for an open spot at red chins, you're cooly collecting decent hunter experience and a decent profit/amount of range exp depending on if you want to sell them or use them. So on busy days where there are no free worlds at red chins, these guys just may be worth it to save you a headache while still earning you exp and a source of income. 2. The range experience per chin / the range experience per red chin is greater than the cost per chin / the cost per red chin. In other words the cost per exp point is less than using red chins. You will receive less exp per hour while training range with these, however in the long run you will save money. So if you're after a still amazingly fast way to train range but want to save a few extra mil or hundred k, these are for you. 3. I noticed it first when I came back from a break after getting 99 hunter. At 99 hunter the success rate for catching these is about 98%. I was in need of a few extra hundred k for something and didn't want to deal with the competition always found at red chins. So I packed my box traps and headed to the regular ones, banking on no one being there. I wasn't in a hurry to make my money so I didn't care that it was less gp/hr. After about 20 min of hunting I realized I hadn't missed one yet...which sparked about 20 hours of testing to make sure. I averaged missing one chin in every 50 attempts on my trap. I'm not sure what level this success rate is achieved at so if anyone can help me out it would be much appreciated. Either way you can camp here for days and not be frustrated by one chin setting off all your traps without being caught ever again! On average for these I was catching about 550-600 an hour, which is nothing to sneer at. So yes these aren't quite as good of money or experience than red chins, but in my opinion its worth avoiding the headache of having to world hop and constantly dealing with spot stealers to hunt these instead. For casual players who just need a few extra hundred K then these are great. coming soon pictures of spots to hunt and such.[/hide] Hints Tips and Tricks [hide=]So you're tired of having your spot taken? Sick of having to world hop? Looking to up your exp/hr? This is the spot for you. I am going to teach you how to guard against getting your spot taken, how to steal it back, and a few other general tips to increasing your exp/hr. Spot Stealing Prevention People are jerks, no matter where you go you'll run into either the noob who wants to take your spot because he thinks he's entitled to it since he has farther to go than you, or the no-lifer that is going to take it because he thinks your a noob. So for everyone reading this, yes if you are stealing spots you are either a noob or a no-lifer. Basically once a trap is set up another trap cannot be set up on the same square. So spot stealers will try to set up a trap quickly underneath you as you loot your trap so you can't set it back up. It's a low blow and often ends with a battle where both sides continually steal spots back and forth. There is really two ways to steal a spot. Method #1 Stand underneath the person while they are standing on top of their triggered trap (regardless of whether or not they caught the chin) and wait for the trap to disappear from them picking it up. Many times people will be spam clicking their trap so as soon as the spot they are trying to steal is open they start setting up their trap. This method is fairly easy to prevent, but is somewhat dependent on your internet connection. Lag = Spot getting jacked. Basically you have at least one extra trap in your inventory. There is a point in your dismantling emote (pic coming soon) where you can click the trap in your inv and prematurely start setting up your trap. The second your trap disappears from you dismantling it you will see you instantaneously have one on the ground in the process of being set up. I used this method (taught to me by my good friend in game and irl Jesusdied4 U) all the way to 99 and it was extremely successful in maintaining a spot that I had. Method #2 Wait until you see the person bend down to dismantle their trap and start setting one up one square away. As soon as the trap disappears that they are dismantling click one sq over interrupting your setting up your trap and click a new trap in your inventory. All the progress (time spent) on setting up the first trap you clicked will be transferred to the new one you are now setting up in their spot, almost instantaneously. This is a bug, and is pending being fixed by Jagex. I do not condone use of this bug for any means. People that are going to do this do not care about being banned (and yes I've had a friend get banned by abusing this bug so don't try it) and are generally jerks. The best way to handle this is to world hop. The only way to keep your spot is to steal it back using the same method. Hopefully Jagex will fix this soon and it won't be an issue. Note: Some people have it in their heads that shooting chins is a good way to deter people from hunting in their spot. This is wrong, because even if a chin gets hit and is dead it can still have enough time to enter a trap and get caught. Also shooting them keeps them at the spawn points (which is important because of what I will tell you later). Do not use killing chins as a way of trying to get rid of people, it makes you look stupid, and ups their exp/hr. Increasing your Exp/Hr There are few things one can do to up their exp per hour. However some of them are not common knowledge so I will list them here. 1. This is the most important key to maxing your exp/hr so I will put it in all caps. COVER THE SPAWN POINTS. Chins spend the most time around their spawn points in their random movements, and ideally you want them spawning and instantly moving to attempt one of your traps (and 9 times out of 10 they will). Don't worry about making a pretty pattern with your traps, all that matters is that you have at least two spawns covered, with two traps set by each spawn (3 traps by one and 2 by the other if you are 80+ hunter). If there is a spot where you can set a trap that covers two spawns then great, use that one! This tip is the single biggest thing you can do to up your exp/hr. 2. Turn all of your chats off, once you hit high hunter levels (80+) it is possible for all of your traps to have caught chins in the time it takes to type one line of text to your friend who wants to know what your doing. At the least you should have 3 traps set up and waiting for chins to enter them, one should be being dismantled because it was set off or you caught one, and one should be waiting to be dismantled. 3. Shoot 'em up! Bringing a bow and arrows, or any other kind of range equipment, and shoot the little puffballs the second they wander away from their spawn without attempting your trap. They can wander quite far and a chin that isn't nearby is not going to attempt your traps. So don't be afraid of capital punishment and show those furry hand grenades whose boss.[/hide] Pictures of available hunting areas coming soon. I need to renew my membership (I haven't been playing as of late because of work), so as soon as that happens I will be updating this with more pics. Along with the pics will be a rundown on how to train range with Chins and where to do it. I know there are guides on that already but since this guide is supposed to cover everything you need to know about them I'd better add it in. Feel free to post now with comments/suggestions and thanks for reading! And remember that anything that you contribute will get you a spot in the credits!

At this point this is turning into a really helpful guide. Organization at this point is going to be your best friend. Go through and edit the whole thing, grouping things into what you can do whenever you want, what you can do daily, and what you can do weekly (hide tabs are your friends!). Then while you're at it run through spelling and grammar issues, try to decide where you could word things more clearly to make it easier to understand and or more informative, for instance for the selling gold amulets to the rouge you say you need the rouges mini-quest done, but to unlock that you need to finish Summer's End (if I'm not mistaken). All in all its a great guide, all that's left is the spit and polish! Good job. =D> 8.5/10

Hmmm...Can't both of you just post an excel sheet of your calculations and exp rates along with your methods that you used for each task (or for the rates of monsters not on a slayer task just your method for what you trained on). Then both of you can go test each others methods and compare your results with another posting of excel sheets. Then all you have to do is move that information to the end of the first post on this thread and this whole issue will be settled.

They only let you store full sets because if you don't have full sets of everything you probably have room in your bank. If you had a full set of everything you can store in the costume house you're going to be running lower on bank space. It's fine the way it is. And you get the hood with the skill cape purchase so I don't see the big deal in having to store them both. Saves a bank spot. No where in your post did you say why its bad to have to store the whole set. If its because you only want to store one piece then why not just have it in the bank?

Good information. I give it 7/10 because of the equipment setups. Dragon boots > rune boots. Zerker ring > no ring. Rune Kite> Rune Sq. Those are a few examples of the ways to improve it. Besides that this is great. Also you might want to mention that you can train attack at dummies up to lvl 5 in varrock above the east bank. I found it increase the exp/hr by a decent enough amount to justify it. It's only one more combat level for the ability to hit much more often, and if you're at cows you'll be able to make money faster.

Most people would consider that a debate, but I looked it up for laughs and giggles and the literal definition is "Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, which only examine the consistency from axiom, and factual argument, which only examine what is or isn't the case or rhetoric which is technique of persuasion." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate So by definition this falls under factual argument. Glad I got that cleared up.

I would have but I was hoping that more people would join in on the conversation. edit just let this thread die, no one seems interested anyway.

Internet at college is horrible for me, it randomly disconnects me at least 5 times an hour. They set it up that way to stop kids from downloading music and movies illegally. that being said it makes it very hard to use my gilded alter for prayer training. Light the burners and get 3 dragon bones offered and Woops! Disconnected...log back in, burners are not lit anymore because I left my house (it kicks you out when you get disconnected) and I have to go back and bank to get the marrentil to light my burners again. Frustrating as heck... I feel your pain, I've had the same thing happen with death, but the prayer training thing is more recent so yea.

Please point out the debate to me. I posted a rant; certain people disagreed, and I provided the evidence to show I was correct. The evidence was simply backing up my original post and proving its point; taking it out would in no way detract from the thread. Doesn't providing evidence to counter disagreements kind of constitute a debate? But for that matter almost every single rant in this forum falls under that heading. Someone posts a complaint, some people agree and some people don't. Then the two sides argue until their blue in the face about who's right or one of them proves the other wrong (usually the side you're on).

This is NOT another complaint about the wildy being gone. I am completely in support of every update that Jagex did to improve the game. I enjoy every aspect of game play more as a result of those updates. My complaint is that there is not enough reward for the people who put a vast amount of time into the game. Right now a player with maxed stats and all quests completed can only trade 60 K every 15 minutes. That is chump change. I want to give a friend a gift to make them happy, or because they just lost a bunch of stuff at GWD, so I give them...60 k, which will buy rune platelegs and a full helm. Besides at 60 k/15 min thats only 240 k/hour so even if I give them money as often as I can they would be better off hunting grey chinchompas (and yes they bring in that much, I have over 1000 hours of testing on the subject). Why can't players that have all the quests completed have free trading with other players who have all the quests completed? Why isn't there a scale for increasing the trade limit based on total skill in addition to the quest points? Lastly, I can only assume that Compfreak is going to come in here and actually answer these questions. I look forward to having my ignorance in the matter corrected. I hate being confused....

This happened to me three times. I finally just decided to develop the habit of checking my attack style every time i switch weapons. It takes like a week (maybe two if you're really thick) to get it to the point where you don't think and just check every time and then this isn't an issue. Alternate solution is to add more colors to the splats when you hit for damage. Like Red for attack Orange for Strength Purple for Defense Or add outline colors to the splats. Red splats with black outline = attack green outline = strength white outline = defense Not that I think adding those would be a good idea, it just would be a possible solution to you're little problem. \

Why does the fact that people don't normally rant about something being ineffective an issue? He can rant about whatever he wants. I can rant about the whip's spec being ineffective if I want to. And why can't a rant be factual and convincing in nature? It certainly is better than the alternative where people who can't think through an argument complain about something that they wouldn't be complaining about if they knew all the facts and the following implications (i.e. kids who rant about the wildy being taken out. No one with the knowledge that keeping it would have ended runescape complains about it going.). He is ranting about slayer being inefficient in terms of gaining exp/hr and gaining gp/hr. And he proved in the last 60 some pages that the only reason to train it is if you are going to max out every single skill or if you want to get the quest cape/achievement diaries finished. The reason being armoured zombies provide almost double the exp/hr on average and more gp/hr to boot. Sure you might make 200 mill maxing slayer out (although i secretly doubt that that actually happens) . But if you would have spent the time to get 99 slayer on armoured zombies you would have made way more money.

7/10 No equipment pics, which is silly because you have other pics up. No other set ups besides prayer covered.

I'll be hitting these spots after i get 99 attack to get the bones for 80 prayer. Nicely done. I'd give it a 9/10 because some of the equipment setups don't make total sense. Like having an addy full helm in one of them? What's the point? The def is terrible and nor str or pray bonus. Stick with neitz or zerker, one inv of hides and bones should close to pay for either.

For a speed training guide I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention armoured zombies...at 83 att 81 str and 80 def its about 75 k exp/hr for me, 85 k if I'm potted up, and thats without void.

Well I had fun here while it lasted and got att from 78 to 81, str from 79 to 80 and def from 77 to 80 but I've discovered the joys of armoured zombies and i doubt i'll be back...

Fun Fact! With the triple stack combo (if you don't know what I'm talking about look up the "magic underpowered think again" guide in the AoW) it is possible to hit the 62 with Miasmic Barrage/Ice Barrage and then add an additional 17 to that with obby rings (at 99 range i believe that's what their max is). I believe that puts the total to 79 damage...every 6 seconds... Too bad I never have had the urge to go pking in my life. Oh well. edit I've also never had the bank value to get 99 mage and range...sigh looks like I fail at rs.

Rofl

I give this guide 9/10 for the sole reason that there are no hide tabs, making it a drag to find everything in the massive amount of information. That said all the information is amazing and I've been using this guide for slayer before I even officially joined the TIF. Adding the hide tabs would take very little time and I feel like it would do a lot for easing the amount of effort to get what I'm looking for. I don't love scrolling through all the burthope tasks when I know im looking for sumona's tasks...

viewtopic.php?f=103&t=762675 By far the best woodcutting guide out there. If nothing in there helps you then you can't be helped... \