SirIzenhime

Lolwut.

yea, the only way range is worth using right now is if you had a hexhunter

I am confused as to why you pointed this out.

Sorry, but it's not a joke. As I said, I have neither shield, so I have no idea how either works personally. Let's not be rude please.

people seem to be taking this thread as me saying.. CKS > Divine. As I said, it's just random speculation, and I was only wondering how they compared.

They why do Bandos tanks wear full bandos....for range defense?

Making pouches into scrolls. Questions like this should go in the Help and Advice sections btw

so the additional 32 range defense makes no difference, whatsoever?

The main idea here though, is the massive increase in ranged defense you get IN ADDITION to the possible damage soak. Yes, the divine prevents more damage when actually being hit, but with the chaotic, you should be getting hit less, should you not?

you get the runecrafter robes from the Runecrafting guild

Ok, so I've been bored lately, and I've been looking at stats of high leveled equipment, mainly the dungeoneering shields, and the spirit shields. I got to the chaotic kiteshield, and decided to stat for stat, compare it to the Divine Spirit shield, and it has me thinking. How do they really compare? I'll be using Bandos GWD for my comparison here Now, just reading through the effects of the shields, the divine seems obviously better in that regard. But what about when you take stats into consideration? The chaotic Kiteshield has a ranged defense bonus of +89, while the divine has a ranged defense bonus of +57. The bulk of damage that you are taking when at Bandos GWD is from ranged attacks. By logic, with the chaotic kiteshield, Graardor's range attack should become less accurate. It also makes the ranged minion hit you less, every little bit counts. The main thing I wonder about here though, is how much less will his range attack actually hit you when you use the chaotic? You can also take the Damage soak of the Chaotic into consideration here as well. While the Divine obviously negates more damage when you're hit than the chaotic does, how would having BOTH and +32 range defence AND possible 1-20% ranged damage negation compare to the Divines constant 30%, but less range defense? Prayer can also be taken into consideration I feel. With the divine, you'll be getting hit by the range attacks more often, this means you shields effect activates more often, and you use up prayer potions more often. With the chaotic shield, the shields effect does not use up prayer potions, thus possibly allowing you to use less prayer potions, and take more food during a trip. The spirit shield DOES have a +3 prayer bonus, while the chaotic shield has none. How much prayer would you save using the Chaotic Kiteshield over the Divine? Would it be enough to save inventory space for more food, allowing you to stay longer? The divine spirit shield has a +2 magic defense, while the chaotic has a -5. The divine offers you 7 more magic defense against the maging minion, while also negating 30% of damage caused by it. The chaotic kiteshield offers no magic damage negation as well as lower magic defense. How much would this affect damage taken in a trip overall? The last point to take into consideration is which weapon you will be using. If you're using a chaotic rapier, the chaotic shield offers a +2 stab attack bonus. While it's not a lot, every little bit counts, and in the long run leads to faster kills, thus less attack turns bandos will use on you. This of course can be completely ignored if you're using a CLS or Whip. Keep in mind this is all mainly speculation. I have neither shield, so I cannot test it personally, or say from experience in support of either shield. I'm more interested if any testing actually has been done with the two shields at Bandos Solo trips.

Eh, oh well, still answers this question ^ Yes

To charge the surge box you need 7 air 1 death 1 blood That means you should be able to cast Blast, Wave AND Surge spells with it.

I wear karil, and whip revs, Turmoil and SS, I combo them. It's one of my favorite things about doing clues. A Good hard clue just isn't complete without killing a rev or two.

I got 6 on a dark beast task once :P

considering what he had, I would think the legs would protect over the rapier if he had item protect on. He wouldn't have been able to turn it on though anyways. What happened was he lagged out like the rest of us, and when he finally got back in, he was at like..50lp, right next to a dragon, and it went from that. But yea, I'm very anxious to talk to my other friend who lost CLS tomorrow. Here's hoping for good news.

Random update...which should interest a lot of you about this... The friend I mentioned earlier that lost his rapier. He got re disconnected about 5 minutes ago. He Logs back...and guess what was in his inventory. He didn't get anything else back that he lost...but believe it or not, he had his rapier back. I'll be asking the friend who lost his CLS about it when he logs back on. Wither or not it's relevant, he lost, torag legs, d boots, rapier, slayer helm. He kept his Torag body, Dragon RFD gloves, and fury. Rather interesting, dontcha think?

Lol fun.

Are you [bleep]ing kidding me!?!?!? They didn't even give us a 10 minute notice for this....I was at bandos 4 man. 1 person lost CLS + Bandos gear, I was lucky to get a grave bless, almost lost my rapier. I know a friend who got a rapier just a few days ago, and died at Brimhaven Steel dragons due to this, and he lost his rapier. And they call this [bleep]ing maintenace?!!?!! That's [cabbage].

And lexicus (unless you're talking about speed)

Oh really? Hmm...I did not know that. Never mind then. I still think mage is a great second style though, much more useful than range (unless you have hexhunter)

it might be fair to note that magic potions benefit mage MUCH more than melee or range in Damonhiem since they give the same boosts level wise.

All I know is I love my SurgeBox :P, it's just so convenient not having to make runes.