Shey made me do maths on this last night, and I threw away my paper..but: Swamp Titan 373.6xp 1125gp shard loss 938gp second loss 960gp/200pouches (dueling ring) 9403gp/1800 pouches (kyatt) Wolpertinger 404.8xp 1525gp shard loss 500gp second loss (buying rabbit from shop) 960gp/96 pouches (dueling ring) 9403gp/864 pouches (kyatt) I do maths for 92-95 summon now, because that's when you switch to Iron Titans. 5569 Wolpertingers needed. Will take 5.274 hours at 88 trips or 2200 pouches per hour. It will cost 11,277,225gp in shards and seconds. It will also cost 116298 in dueling rings and kyatts. 6051 Swamp Titans needed. WIll take 2.75 hours at 88 trips or 2200 pouches per hour. It will cost 12,483,213gp in shards and seconds. It will also cost 60654gp in dueling rings and kyatts. You save 482 Crimson Charms and 1,150,344gp by using Wolpertingers. You also lose, 2.5 hours. This means you need to get at least 192 crimson charms per hour AND 460138gp per hour for it to be more effective to make Swamp Titans. This is using GE Median prices, buying Raw Rabbits from the shop, and using the assumed 2200 pouches per hour provided in Kent's Summoning guide. :