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I was supposed to say that in the post, but i forgot, thank you for reminding me. These were not there because NO drops from ANY of the above categories were recorded.

20 kill count almost guarentees blood and rack drops, therefore you can make some money off the bloods and the racks (what i call R&R, runes 'n racks) so your runs wont be totally dry. Though it is up to you to find the best balance (speed and drop rates), so dont stick to a attack plan too rigorously, experiment a little bit and it may take you far.

Spear pretty much worth a set of verac :roll: :P

113? that sounds farmiliar..., he may have lagged though, since it is usually the cause of death in barrows in dharok tunnels. It isnt its unreliable, there are lapses in people's attention that lead to deaths like these (i died against torag for the record) Verac barrowing is pretty effective because you can just bring pray pots and rampage through the brothers.

my trip of 50 is done, on average, 1 barrow item per 10 trips for 6KC trips... EDIT Here is my Kill table: NOTE: Blood Runes, Bolt Racks, Dragon Medium Helms and Half Keys are not on this table because I didn't get any, zero, zits, nothing.... Special note to run 22... cash only plz.... -.-'

If you are poor though and do a lot of mage killing, chaos gaunts will work nicely as death substitute (1 less damage, but half the price). Gold Smithing gaunts allows cheaper smith leveling, while cooking gaunts allows you to be efficient with what you fish.

Kill Count will improve the Runes and other drops in the chest, however it remains to be seen whether it has an effect on the barrow items or no. 15 would be the maximum of the optimum number, 9 being the lowest, but good number.

No, i don't think so.

Please for heaven's sake DO NOT put Value and how much GP your thing is worth together. They are 2 completely and utterly different things. For example, when the GP's are inflated, your barrow set costs 100m, and full dragon costs 500m, now your barrow set costs 100k and full dragon 500k. Does that mean the economy has been destroyed? No, the latter is the more NORMAL economy, while the former one is the heavily inflated one. Look at post WWI germany, everything was in billions (if not more), and if you had 1 billion, can you consider yourself be rich? of course NOT, because you can't afford a loaf of bread, so you are poor. The Value of Barrow and Dragon remains the same (5 barrow sets worth the dragon, and the demands for both is similar before and after con). Now your GP is worth more, so you can buy things with less GP. This means that poor people have a chance to buy things they could not have before, and those who are rich already becomes richer, because their GP worth more, so they can buy more.

Good work, at least its a barrow piece (unlike my Ahrim Staff >.<)

1. Verac set is only for high levels, for lower levels you still need to pot to verac them efficiently. 2. Magic Dart is the spell to use, because it breaks even with the chest (as long as you have around 10 kc), thus runes is not a problem there. Prayer pots isnt not too hard to buy in large quantities (100 lasts quite a while).

What is affected by kill count and what is not is yet to be fully analysed, but it has been proven that excessively high KC is not beneficial.

A few guys love the tablets, so i would suggest that to be included (needs a high construction level to make them yourself though) you could buy them, but right now they are a tad bit expensive. if one has the con level or has the access to the tome, it is strongly adviced.

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Those who wants to level construction will reach it someday, and once they reach it, they will unlikely be spending anymore cash into construction. Those who thinks construction is a waste of money, they will continue alching as normal. Of course there is a money sink now, but the size of the pipe is shrinking the money making rate is making its way back up, until gain = drain. The prices wont go back to what it used to bem but it will be close to it, because Construction, though a money drain, its not continuous (only temporary), thus will only have a temporary effect. If they really wanted to do something about it, they should introduce very high level equip (for lv 80 or so stats), but much more expensive to maintain than barrows, as well as much more expensive to obtain (like i mean 5m per fix or something, but have definitely superior stats and effects than barrows).

go to the general p2p forum, there is a sticky called Archive of Wisdom by Leesters, check there, it has a lot of player made guides, including barrows.

can you please describe the "something or other" bit please? Like was it a spell? Normal hit?

good job on getting the spear socc! ^_^ May i ask were the lobsters enough to heal when you were hit consistently by the brothers?

thus we can safely conclude that in order for Blood Runes and Bolt Racks to appear, one must kill something besides the brothers....

The above are my first 14 runs processed so far The results, albeit small sample, suggest that the Kill Count links to the drop rate of Bolt Racks and Blood runes. So far (all 6 KC), none of these have appeared... I will do more trips to confirm.

beware of pk's

if you need anymore help, I will be up for it too, i am doing runs as we speak. I would gladly do 6 kc as this will also give me the opportunity to test this against my usual 10.

probably because you havent finished pirate's treasure quest, if you havent done it. if you have, then my guess is that it's a members feature? :?

the only thing that matters for a barrow drop is the number of brothers you have killed up to the point of searching the chest (what does the kill count actually does is still in the air, hopefully satenza's experiment will give us a clue). If you have killed only say 5 of the brothers, then the barrow drop rate will drop proportionally.

there are also a few things i am suspecting: Rune Drops has been reduced, i am getting MUCH less runes than usual, like it was taking me maybe 30 runs to get 1k bloods and decent amount of chaos, but now 10 runs, not 1 blood and all chaos rune has been lower than usual.... Maybe because of the Home altar and portal made the barrow brothers more stingy? :? can any pro barrow runners confirm this?