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Overloads are expensive, but 35 gp/xp really is not that bad compared to other alternatives like spec restores at 31 gp/xp that you will almost certainly never finish using or brews which are sligtly cheaper than spec restores.

Well thank you for all the help guys, this trip(previous was a horrible failure because prayer dropped and I had to tele) instead of stopping attacking to brew up I tried just doing one sip at a time and then reattacking immediately while mixing in restore sips if prayer was low and/or my stats were under. I also tried taking 35 brews instead of 30 like I did the first time, and i started using ee specs immediately after overload, and turned off leech mage, and to my suprise... I only got 8 kills :D (or maybe 9, does the adventure log count kills with a drop seperately?) and I left with no brews leftover at all, I did however notice that my kill speed increased notably and I was lucky enough to get a helmet drop. Also a couple of major mistakes that I made were "brewing" 3-4 times with a super restore and neglecting to summon my pony until about 2 kills after my yak was empty. So I will try again and hopefully remember that I have a unicorn in my inventory. I also attempted to kill the melee minion first for a few kills until I noticed that I was getting jacked up by the mage while doing so...are you sure that Kilisa does more damage? because I have 99 magic and barring a spirit shield close to the maximum magic defense, so I doubt that anyone with similar gear could be taking much less damage from wingman than I do. EDIT: Oi...managed to almost die because I couldn't get restores out of the cow, very annoying...

I love how people always exxagerate to bolster up proof to justify their opinion. Quick note, I am pro sgs. The money issue...if you can use all of your money to make more money at all times, congratulations I cannot. If you cannot, then the price difference is completely irrelevant. Something that I never understood about damage boosting specials while slaying...what is the purpose of *possibly* increasing the kill speed of one monster per spec? If you would have killed that dust devil in 3 hits, now you have the potential to kill it in 2 hits! I personally don't see what you gain there when you will still have to stop attacking to switch weapons twice. You *could* say that the same slowdown applies(to a greater extent) to the sgs, however improving speed is not the sole purpose of the sword as it is for the claws. No matter what your opinions may be, no other item in the game provides an unlimited supply of prayer at this time barring that semi-useless armour effect that they just released, and for anyone who like to use small amounts of prayer points over an extended time without lugging around extra potions, that is perfect. if you do not mind taking a potion or two that is fine as well. I personally do not see the point for anyone to attempt to disprove someone's preferrence.

They are still buyable at med price(3 dose).

Longbow has its uses, you know the building in the cwa portal where you can go up? If you use a longbow and use long range, people with short bows cannot hit you. I would think that in that very limited case a crystal or dark bow would be better, wouldn't it? Crystal and dbows in f2p?.... Guess I'm too old for these new abbreviations...When I see c wars my mind goes to castle wars.

Longbow has its uses, you know the building in the cwa portal where you can go up? If you use a longbow and use long range, people with short bows cannot hit you. I would think that in that very limited case a crystal or dark bow would be better, wouldn't it?

Unless you have something else to spend your excess money on *when* you buy the supplies for your levels is completely irrelevant(not considering price changes).

This is not zybez.

I calculated it out to save about 4 full restores per full 40 minutes of prayer by ommitting leech mage, so I will try that next time. I was moving under for 1-2 sips and running to the opposite end of the room for more than that and to eat minion drops/use excali. Is there a better way to reattack it? I did take a lot of melee hits waiting for it to float into my view or running toward it.

I tried soloing at arma for the first time earlier today with overloads/yak/pony and managed 9 kills, which I am told is below average, and I would like to increase my killing efficiency. This was my setup... ...and I left with 5 brew doses(1.25) and 18 rest doses(4.5). So it is clear that I took too many super restores, correct? I started with 20 total restores(10 in cow) and 30 total brews(20 in yak). What would be a better ratio? I had 510 diamonds and 255 broad bolts for kc in the pouch. Should I bother with ruby bolts for the first half? I was using item protect, range protect, and leeching mage, range, and defense while kree was alive. I killed the mage minion first, followed by melee, and the ranger last(I did not finish killing the ranger several times). I noticed that I was using about one overload dose per kill, which would suggest 5 minutes per kill, and even though the world's population was around 300, isn't that slow? Also, I'm assuming that people take more than 2 overloads, correct? What is the average number of boss kills for someone around my levels(in signature) using a yak, pony, and overloads?

I don't think that it was actually nerfed they just changed what it said in the prayer tab. I remember checking it a lot on the first few days and it seemed off.

Someone suggested that maximum td killing speed could only be achieved with a steel titan(so no pony), but that made me wonder whether or not titans can hit through the tds prayer? I remember WAY back in the day a friend got 99 summoning and dueled me with his titan, and simply putting on range prayer completely negated all damage from it. So, I'm assuming that several people use the level 79 titans at tds, correct? and if so, have you noticed them doing damage through the melee prayer? What about scroll attacks?

About that...does the titan only do damage at distance when range prayer is down/up clsoe when melee is down? I used to take tbirds to restore run energy on the way down before the agility update, and I don't remember them ever hitting through prayer(then again they're tbirds).

The health healing is not even worth considering. I will continue to use my sgs on tasks because I have no interest in taking along prayer potions to to cover soul split and berserker. Yes it is possible to flash soul split, but why bother when the short time that it will be used will barely cost you any prayer points. On the other hand, for a high damage thing where you will be splitting much more often, why bother putthat much effort in when in the end you will still need a few potions.

That is basically comparing whether 20 more range defense(and 7 strength) or 20 mage defense is better, and I would be tempted to just immediately say dfs is better but honestly have not tried using a spectral.

Mage pots would be best. They are more xp and cheaper than range pots, and yes they do sell.

This is very interesting...I'd been looking for a way to get around the wait between spawns.

This. You may even consider using stronger bolts. Do you use piety/eagle eye and void? Do you use the NE safespot that allows you to kill two demons without stopping? If you answered yes to all of these questions, I'd say that overloads are worth it. But, again, only if you're in it for the long haul. I stay on curses so piety isnt an option, and I only turmoil when usin darklight, I do use leech defense(better than range), but I have never heard of a method to kill two seperate spawns. I usually just use worl 2 or 6 for the ~10 second spawn.

I have not recorded the average profit per td, so I have no idea whether or not it is efficient, that was my reason for posting. I assume, possibly incorrectly, that someone from tif has created a tds drop log, and if on average tds drop between 56-112k then it would be efficient to spend the extra money for those kills.

That is what I assumed, although maybe not by 1/2. For example if your max hit was 9, and you increase it to 10, over 10 hits originally you may have on average done 45 damage, but now with the extra 1 to your max you may on average do 50 damage. That is including zero hits but not zero misses, which to my knowledge are not affected by your strength bonus, and zero hits are extremely rare(if at all possible) with the new system anyways. EDIT: That is pure speculation though, have no idea if that is right at all.

When I kill tds, I have been taking 1 pony, 1 ex attack, strength, and range, broad bolts for range, and sgs for melee. I usually get 18-19 kills within the 54 minutes by repotting every 13.5 minutes and using berserker. Now I recently decided to suck it up and stew to make a batch of overloads, and my trips with overloads averaged 21-22 kils in the same amount of time. Now each overload dose is costs about 24k to make at the time of writing, and each extreme range+attack+strength dose costs about 10k. 54 minutes would use either 11 overload doses(264k) or 4 extreme doses(40k). Bolt and prayer potion usage is negligible in this comparison, so the cost of gaining 2-4 kills per 54 minutes is about 224k. Is using overloads really an efficient method for killing tormented demons? Sadly I have neglected to record average profit per kill(not interested in including lumps/claws in that average), so I can not calculate that at the moment.

Well that is unfortunate isn't it, so it would not be possible at all for any items that are dropped in multi combat... Sad face.

Also it makes great junkish item, they never sell b/c no one makes them/knows of them (like 200m to do 1k pots) but they do have a ton of cash value I'm confused by this. Currently clean torstols are 24k, and a torstol potion(unf) is 4k. 20k loss per pot from what you're suggesting.. What? That is for Snapdragon potions not torstol No, that's torstol. Torstol herb atm is 24.5k market price torstol unf potion is 4087 gp market price. Yes, so how can you make money from that?! Are you looking at clean or grimy because clean is around 1k each [/hide]Are you looking at a completely different thing? :blink: And ok I'll get back on topic of helping the worst kind of person in the game of runescape. You should merch spirit shards I heard those are good. I think that it's hilarious how many people took that original post seriously. Also, to the topic creator, you are pathetic. It's really not worth putting in the effort to insult you more thoroughly. One more thing, buy war bonds.

I think that someone mentioned that lootshared drops are not recorded in the log.

Just wear bandos/whip/dfs take tabs, 1 pure set, slay ring if you want, 1-2 prayer potions, lunar/dramen, and pony scrolls and kill them with turmoil. I preferr to bank when my inventory is full, but you could speed up the task by burrying or dropping the bones. If you don't want to bank bones then take more p pots/pure sets. I don't know anything about cannons down there, never seen one.