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A lot of people didn't have 200M Stats a few years ago so the Top 21 Ranks were available to get : \ 8-) *Points to my sig* I'll be playing for the next 15+ years since I enjoy this game & play at a decent pace. Hey weren't you the first or second to 2 and 3 skills with 200M xp? I was following your progress last year and thought you had quit. What are you training these days?

Wasn't really hard to contradict your statement. I really think QP requirement for bigger trade opportunities is a good move by Jagex. It makes players do quests which take time and skilling time prior to do doing them, a nice reward for those who invest some time in the game. It gives new player a goal to reach of they want more from their friends. It also makes it fairer for those of us who don't have same player interaction between 2 accounts. It means that what you have is basically what you earned. What's wrong with that?

I think we'll have a clearer idea when Jagex will release the new skill. If it's a fast paced one like most secondary skills, this will not slow down the true hardcore players, but if we get another slayer or summoning... this will certainly make that "goal" out of reach. At the moment, I don't see it happening before 7 years with the set of skills we currently have, add 1 more year per new skill at least. We'll see the probability of this happening in 4-5 years if the player base is still pretty big and active.

I have to admit of being guilty of trying to "force" my methods on others sometimes while I could just offer advices.

Junk? brawling gloves are certainly not junk and artifacts are a great way to make a lot of cash through skilling. Not really, I'm fine with the new system. Why would I put my signature to something I disagree to?

I agree that everyone should have an open mind when coming to either debate or rant on these boards. Sometimes though, arguying with logic will result in someone being right. I don't mind changing my mind WHEN proven wrong or at least not 100% right. As an example, I thoroughly denied every point of Jrhairychest on his debate regarding Pmods for about 4-5 months up until Jagex changed their policy about Pmods publicly. I conceded a lot of merit to his arguments after that even though they were based on generalisation, they tended to show the truth or at least a "malaise" with Pmods. Ohhh and if when facing logic you need to throw your head on the wall, you might have a slight problem arguying with me...

Nice suggestion. Two things though: remove the auto cast part as with the new update this is nor relevant. - The slayer headress should have at least the defensive bonus of the slayer helmet (mid 20s I think instead of the +5) All in all, would be a very nice and unique update.

I can't believe I haven't seen that thread yet as I am a huge fan of either the rants or debate forums. I don't expect everyone coming to the rants forums to be an educated person with detailed arguments to expose his/her point of view. But I expect everyone coming here to vent or debate to be prepared to be challenged. There are things we cannot debates, tastes and likes are an example. If someone comes here to vent : I don't like the new update, it doesn't catter to me and I find the game boring, I can't really argue with that. But if this person comes here to tell me the game was better before this or that, then it's either a matter of opinion or this person seeks a challenge (someone to tell them they are right or wrong), then I have every right to post my arguments with logic (an aspect of life not everyone has mastered it seems). As for the repetitive arguments, what can you expect when people seem to rant about the same stuff over and over again. This game is player by teens mostly. You have to take that into account whe judging the general behavior of posters on this fansite. I don't expect them to have much experience in life expecially towards business (which is why lots of players don't understand many of Jagex moves - young F2Pers are a very good example in this case), I don't expect all of them to have proper writing and composing skills (some have English as their second language like me) and some are simply not prepared to be challenged (some of these posters will sometimes tell you to GTFO my thread simply for proving them wrong). I wish the rants forums were better, but I don't expect it to change that much. One of our biggest loss was Compfreak. Praying to the fairies out there that we don't lose anymore of our most prominent "ranters".

Someone has forgotten Monkey Madness I suspect.

Tyvm, that is a very good reason to do the quest.

What kind and how many ores are there in the new mine? Last release or a runite ore was fremenik isles right?

Ohh I get where you are going. Bonus charms per day through an A-D would not be a bad idea. What I am against though is straight up player trading.

Well I don't like it because it would make summoning like any other buyable skill out there, except very expensive like construction. I like the unique way summoning is set-up.

That would be a nice feature to add, maybe a quest reward? Though expect people to whine about it if you have to trade 15-20 gold for a blue (meaning mess xp for your charms in exchange of way faster training).

Well usually an item gets a balanced price within a month. So not really years. Don't worry, the lazy term was not an attack towards you, I'm a lazy player too. I usually wait till the item is stable before buying it or get it as a drop during a task or clue or monster hunt. But really your behavior is that of a lazy rich player. You wait for the slayers, cluers or monster hunters to flood the market with items and demand to have one for a pile of GP. There's no problem with that except you have to fight with all players who are looking to buy that item while there's only a small bunch of suppliers.

Yeah we are on agreement on that. Debating if it's good or bad is mostly a matter of opinion though. From a business point of view, having "willing" testers as customers is a good strategy as long as the customers keep playing (and paying obviously). They sometimes go overboard with some updates and major tweakings are necessary (meaning they messed up prior to release). As for this update, I see a couple fix there and there, but not a major one like going back to infinite stock. An example of a major and quick fix would be the bounty +1 worlds they released 2 days after the PVP revamp. That was a quick response to a gross misjudgment of their player base needs. I expect internal testers have infinite weapons and don't mind losing a pair of d claws if you get my drift...

Well they use their player base as testers in every update and so far, the game is still beeing played and profitable, so no reason to change it really. There's slight chaos after every update when the players adjust, if the game can't adjust to the new behavior, Jagex tweaks what is not done through natural gameplay.

february 2004, I had the "chance" to play that dinosaur game called classic.

Nice. Thank god I'm not the only one that refuses to buy fish to get cooking 99. :mrgreen: Did the same thing while studying business management and got around 92 fish and enough for 95 cooking when I got my degree. Never bought a single fish to get my cooking up and I'm 1,2k monks short of 99 cooking at the moment. Skills I train these days: WC, Farming and magic.

Those two statements contradict each other. I'm with Mike on this one, this is a contradiction even after your clarification. A pure is the opposite of a well rounded character. This is not flaming, just arguying.

I'm pretty confusef at this moment, because aside from the first day when some monsters were hard to click (like gargoyles used to be), I haven't experienced anything all you guys seem to get. I dreaded HD because when it first came it was lagguy and I couldn't play in a small window, but this update has no major fault from my perspective, the shops are a slight set-back but I'm pretty sure Jagex will fix some items in the near future (shards being the obvious one).

Not for all players, but it will surely be an incentive for those incline to make a batter profit while skilling.

I don't get how it relates to adapting... You mean doing these spells because mind runes are more available? You must not be trying hard enough... I just bought 10 law runes 4 GP under mid price. Sure it took me half a day to get all I needed, but it that so bad? If you can't buy something at max price, then there is not enough supply. Suppliers in many cases are players: skillers and monster hunters. When demand is higher, prices wil raise, the suppliers will have an incentive to gather these items. Buying from stores to sell to the G.E. is a way to make money, but probably not something the game creators wanted their players to focus on. When an item is released, there a re two ways to get it, buy it through inflated price via junk-trade or... not be lazy and get it yourself. I get the feeling that you want to have what you want the moment the need emerges in your mind. You seem to think that pre-G.E., the moment you wanted something, a trader would magically appear to trade you in a matter of minutes. There were lots of things that could be obtained quickly, but there were also lots of items that would require hours to gather via forums and world 2. At the moment, unless the item is being bought out or supply is ridiculously low, you can get many items instantly at max price. Prior G.E., have you ever witness an item being rightly prced upon its release? Jagex might not be the best at pricing items, but players are definitely not better at this. When you can't get an item via trade, you simply get it through another avenue (just like the people that kill the corporeal beast to get sigils). Sure it's frustrating, you have to adapt and not be lazy, change is often hard to accept. I have no idea why would someone go out their way to sell an itam for less... Going through all the rune store is really a last resort option... that means no one is selling, no one is RCing, you don't want to RC and you absolutely need these runes in a matter of seconds... Plan ahead and you won't lack what you need. And the run update is pretty good for Runecrafting, try it someday, I hear it gives you RUNES.

I guess I'll have to adapt to the situation, which is not that bad from my perspective. It's tedious to DIY if you don't like it and getting items slowly through the G.E. just means you have to plan in advance what you wanna skill. I don't mind planning in advance. It's a great thing that junk is not stable, it was never meant to be used this way. Pre-trade restrictions was much harder to buy. You needed to have the right seller online, the right price and the quantity. I usually have the right item the other player wants, it's called GP.

Yeah I know, I wish there had been more content while training those skills. But also better training methods. The most efficient training methids are mostly mid level ones... teaks cuttings, barbarian fishing, granite mining...