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So one occurence is enough proof to make a statement?

I guess I didn't explained myself properly. The first priority of any business is to make a profit or at least break even. In the case of Jagex, they have to make a fun game in order to make a profit. In fact, reading back some of your posts, I think I misunderstand what you mean when you say fun > profit in relation to Jagex. Especially since you mentionned that in the same post when mentionning they removed the P2P teasers from F2P. Just an aside there, do you find the game more fun because they removed those teasers?

Something special is usually something that is rare or unique. Some skills capes are not so special anymore because there are so many players with those running around. I used to view the fire cape as something special, not anymore because I see a lot of players running around with them. Sure getting a 99 is an achievement, it does not means it is special though. And to Bauke suggesting 99 cooking requires about the same time/effort as 70 RC...I have to agree with this.

What's the use in making a fun game if you end up bankrupt? I mean profit should be the priority #1, once your company makes a profit, then you have the freedom to explore different avenues.

I have to admit that I have no idea why they did that. These teasers provided lots of question from new players and sparked interest in the paying game. I have to admit I'm kinda puzzled by that move. I'm also pretty sure that profit, in any private business, is more important than fun. Once you are in the green though, fun becomes an option. I see no viable business with company having a fun view of things when they are in the red.

I agree with you. But from a business point of view, there's no denying that F2P is mainly there to attract customers.

This OP asked for evidence... is that flaming? Considering that the flame war started after he asked according to him... He may be more guilty of baiting it. If the discussion was going well before he entered, what did he think he would accomplish by saying that out of the blue? What's the point of a discussion if you can't ask question? I know freedom of speech is not a high priority in a lot of religion, call me foolish or whatever, but I do believe in it.

Don't worry, you'll find out in the future that it's not only younger kids that lie about their age...

This OP asked for evidence... is that flaming?

There you go: Have you read this "outliers" book for a communications class? I think ethnicity and demographics can determine what are the chances for successes and failures but successes and failures are determined by someone's point of view and are not absolute. I have absolutely no knowledge in litigation so that brings my post to an end. Nice read, especially since I played hockey and was near the date cut so I was amongst the youngest. In Quebec though, the dates are different : october 1st.

Ever since summoning came out : Fruit bat for skilling and t-bird for slayer.

Ahhhh finally on agreement!!! Been nice debating back and forth with you.

So far I've gotten 3 zaros statuette from about 100 hours of PVP (EP gathering and kills). I wouldn't call this easy, as I could have generated more GP through green dragon hunting. Inflation is bound to happen in this game as at least 25% of skills are creating GP. Sure it wasn't perfect on release but this is getting there.

Well it was caused by players, just not every player. I said it many times, it looks like Jagex was urged to make these changes, when you have major credit cards company saying "get your game straight or else we stop doing business with you", you have to react quickly. The thing about 26k/76k is still not that self explanatory. It's not perfect, but in my opinion, it's getting there. You have the option to pk, but you have to earn your kill first and you have the option to skill to get your earnings later. The sitters/EP earners are the real problem in my opinion and once you stop gaining EP when not gaining xp, that will certainly make it slightly better. We get that Jagex made hasty updates in december 2007, can we get over it someday? You can pk in edge lvl 1-3 nowadays without having to be in a clan. I'll be there to watch your fights while gaining EP through bolt enchanting with my magic brawlers.

@ Allisgreat Could you clear this up for me... Are you ranting about Jagex taking their sweet time fixing the whole mess (RWT ---> changing of the wild + trade limits --- 1 year later PVP implemented) or are you suggesting that they haven't fixed it yet? I would agree with you on the first point, but definitely disagree with you on the second. I believe RS is better off nowadays without goldfarmers and bots to battle at green and blue dragons, fishing guild and magic trees. I killed 2K blue dragons at one point in 2007 battling with gold farmers along the way, hopping to find suitable worlds and ending half killing the ones I could to scare away the Gfarmers away.

It's all about perspective, I'm an atheist and I could say that all mention of gods is offensive to me. I wouldn't because I actually enjoy seeing religious people trying to convert me.

I think it has the same value has normal money.

I agree that they could have handled their fixes a little better and a little faster. The drop system is not that bad honestly ever since they have put the 76k risk from the killed player. There are many ways to create money in RS, someone that sits in lvl 1 wild gaining EP is "creating" money but at the same time, that smae person could be mining, killing dragons or woodcutting to create GP. I agree that it is not in the spirit of the game and could be tweaka bit more to either lower the value of drops or increase the risk the killed player has to lose. I will argue one more that, from an anti RWT stand, the wilderness of old was a failure only because it allowed for RWT. The impresson I get from that specific update in 2007 is that they had to act quickly and could not instore a proper update.

I wouldn't mind having a higher slayer master that would give from 200 to 300 monsters per task. The thing is you can't really camp for much more longer than this without becoming inefficient. You need to bank once in while either to get more potions or to bank your drops.

Taking time off slayer to get an average piece of armor to slighty increase your slayer xp later on is probably not a good idea. You will end up getting 85 slayer in a longer period of time.

Good luck IRL, try to make some friends.

And to that, I have every right to call you a chicken and a scaredy cat for hide like a girl. :thumbsup: And to that I will simply put you on my ignore list! You will end up getting no xp and talking to yourself!

Do you expect that everyone you will meet in RS is an educated person? This game is filled with kids who haven't reached intellectual maturity yet, it's not surprising that you will sometime argue with bad apples. Ohhh and to everyone on this thread who claim he started the flame war by asking for evidence... shame on you!

I can't decide either, Me_Hate_Libs or the whinners on TIF...oh wait...nvm.

In the following months after they implemented trade limits and made it so you couldn't pk in the wild, there were lots of players "advising" Jagex to change the wilderness back the way it was without trade limits and with the old loot system. That was bad advice. These people wanted their gameplay back at the cost of having RWT back in the game. I'm not saying they were RWTers, just saying that their demands were considered bad advices from the Jagex point of view and their no RWT stand. From that perspective, not listening to those advices is pretty wise. It's obvious that they changed the game radically and it looks like they had to do it quickly or else... Bounty hunter was a total failure which is why it is not here anymore. The reason the wilderness was changed is because it was also a failure. No matter how many players liked it prior these updates, the wilderness was a failure for permitting RWT.