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Can you ice burst or smoke burst yet? You could try rock lobsters then, just watch your magic xp.

It's not 1/150. I've gotten quite a few of Cave Horror tasks and I haven't seen a black mask yet. If it is 1/150 and I am wrong, you could get 1 black mask every ~40 minutes.

It's too hard to say. It could vary greatly since you are slaying. Imo, you could Waterfiend strength and summoning to perfect 70, then use slayer for ranged, attack, and defense. If you cannon as much as you can, this should work out, maybe with a little to spare (just do pure ranged last).

So do I. Worth mentioning that I also visit the Al-K cactus patch for spines.

With a bit of patience, both cooking and crafting CAN also profit (but that doesn't mean it's a good method). Crafting can profit if you make bstaves and buy them at the right prices. Cooking can profit if you make pizzas, potatoes, or mantas/sea turtles. You're doing something wrong, or not using the best teleports. I also plant snaps and marigolds and use all 5 patches, and my runs last 4:30-6 minutes.

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Cave slimes: No armor needed. Will take 3 hours Whiteberry collecting: If you did MEP1, or at least have it started. Will take 2.5 hours Snape Grass collecting: If you did Fremmy Diary. Will take 3 hours

Blackjacking may be annoying, and you may want to tear off your hand, but it IS the fastest way to train thieving until level 91. If I were you though, I'd alternate between the two.

You CAN profit to 99 magic. (Superglass Make)

Void range also works good at Armored Zombies.

Best way would be to games necklace to BH or CW then just run south. Enter the tunnel next to an obelisk. Then go to the portal north-east of the room you are in.

Yes you do need to pay. Best route to take is to fish 1 load of lobsters so you can buy a rune pick and a few falador teleports. Then you mine gold at the crafting guild.

Apparently, 285k an hour. :roll: But he refuses to do the quests necessary to do AZs, do that doesn't apply here : So for him, it's a difference between ZMs and Skeleton Monkeys. So there really isn't much to lose.

What if I use butlers for both? What if I bank for both?

I think it'd be worth a try to go there without DH and see what it's like. It's faster than ZMs, I can tell you that. If I were you, I'd give them a try with standard praying gear (prossy, etc.). What do you have to lose, after all?

You misunderstand what I mean. I'm saying that ZMs are NEVER a good option. Let's compare: AZs: 100k xp/hour, 180k profit/hour ZMs (altar recharge): 98k xp/hour, -20k profit/hour (eg. 20k loss) ZMs (ppots only): 110k xp/hour, -105k profit/hour (eg. 105k loss) AZs compared to method 1 of ZMs would mean you are "paying" 200k in order to get 2k LESS xp per hour. That doesn't make sense does it? So Recharging at the altar is a completely worthless method. How about method 2? You are "paying" 285k in order to get 10k MORE xp per hour. How much does that 10k per hour save you? Well, you get 10k xp in 6 minutes. So that means you are "paying" 285k in order to save 6 minutes of time. If you can make 285k (profit) or more in 6 minutes, then ZMs are the better option. However, making 285k in 6 minutes means that you must be able to make 2.85m per hour. That is almost impossible to achieve, unless you are extremely skilled in merchanting. No other method gets you an average of 2.85m per hour (you can't count getting "lucky" at GWD or 26k'ing because that doesn't give you an AVERAGE). Therefore, ZMs are a bad way to train combat. There is almost no one who can say ZMs are better for them over AZs, if you look at it this way. i think you misunderstand me. i knowthat AZs are best. i dont deny it. but i am not goig to do the 15+ hours i would have to put in to do the quest when i could be doing something else for those 15 hours. i am looking for a place i have acess to now. therefore as far as i can tell my choices are betwee the ZMs or the gorillas. Reread your post. Yes I did misunderstand you. Sorry about that. ZMs and Gorillas, in that case, are both terrible options. Gorillas are even lower xp, something like 70k. Best option for you, then, would be to DH Skeleton Monkeys. It's 140k+ per hour at a cost of about 150k-ish. There's a guide in the AoW.

You misunderstand what I mean. I'm saying that ZMs are NEVER a good option. Let's compare: AZs: 100k xp/hour, 180k profit/hour ZMs (altar recharge): 98k xp/hour, -20k profit/hour (eg. 20k loss) ZMs (ppots only): 110k xp/hour, -105k profit/hour (eg. 105k loss) AZs compared to method 1 of ZMs would mean you are "paying" 200k in order to get 2k LESS xp per hour. That doesn't make sense does it? So Recharging at the altar is a completely worthless method. How about method 2? You are "paying" 285k in order to get 10k MORE xp per hour. How much does that 10k per hour save you? Well, you get 10k xp in 6 minutes. So that means you are "paying" 285k in order to save 6 minutes of time. If you can make 285k (profit) or more in 6 minutes, then ZMs are the better option. However, making 285k in 6 minutes means that you must be able to make 2.85m per hour. That is almost impossible to achieve, unless you are extremely skilled in merchanting. No other method gets you an average of 2.85m per hour (you can't count getting "lucky" at GWD or 26k'ing because that doesn't give you an AVERAGE). Therefore, ZMs are a bad way to train combat. There is almost no one who can say ZMs are better for them over AZs, if you look at it this way.

Let's say we put aside the costs of both methods and completely ignored them. Would making flatpacks of teak carved tables or making Oak Dungeon doors (then removing) be faster xp? Which of the two gets me more xp/hour? Is there something better I could use the teak planks on? Or are flatpacks the best option?

So you did. That proves nothing. If you spent 5 minutes making pots 4 years ago, does that mean it's worth less than 5 minutes right now? No. It's still 5 minutes of your time, regardless when you spent it. Plus, remember are aren't talking about you. We're talking about typical training. We can't assume that everyone made their own potions years ago. We can only assume that they'll make the potions NOW, or buy them. Those are the only viable options.

NP, I'm glad it helped! :

Grab a pickaxe and mine gold. Should be getting ~110k per hour.

It takes 60 seconds. ...I don't know what your concept of 'HUGE' is, but I think I have different standards. :? I find zombie monkeys a solid alternative for someone who doesn't feel like doing the quest for AZs, or doesn't like crowded worlds. Ok it takes 60 seconds. So every 5 minutes you need to go recharge at the altar, spending 60 seconds, or another minute of time. So overall, you lose 11 minutes of time over the course of an hour. That's equal to about 12k xp at ZMs. So by not bringing ppots, you get 12k xp less per hour, more if you use a familiar. So now let's see. The xp per hour of ZMs (recharging at altar) would be 98k per hour, with a loss of 20k per hour (on pure sets). Compare to that AZs, which is 100k per hour with a profit of 180k per hour. That's a 200k different between loss/profit, meaning that you "spend" 200k per hour at ZMs (since you are forfeiting potential money).

Pure set means super attack and super strength. You don't get it. It takes a HUGE amount of time to go to the altar at ZMs. It's a much better idea to simply bring ppots. You also don't spend 5gp every 10 minutes. For one thing, you forgot to take the time to gather all the parts into consideration. How long did that take? How much xp could you have gotten instead? How much money could you have made instead? Also, if you are not taking pure sets, you aren't getting the best xp. It's as much as 20k worse xp/hour if you don't use pure sets. Tbh, ZMs are not a good alternative at all. You're giving up too much potential money and real money to gain such a small advantage.

Many more people that 100k quit, remember many f2p'ers also quit.

You don't use any money so how do you lose it? unless your using super attack and/or strength pots. I have never been to AZ's but every time 1 of these topics comes up every body says it (except me) so it must be crowded so you would spend time hopping round for an empty world or fighting over them so lowering your exp per hour. I have never seen any body at zombie monkeys and I have spent well over 20 hours (6 hours a day there for a week) at the gorillas and not 1 person went down there with the intent to kill any monkeys. ... Ok look, AZs are 100k xp per hour and 180k per hour profit. ZMs are 110k xp per hour and -115k per hour. However, if you go recharge prayer at the altar, you'd get significantly less xp, but only spend 20k per hour (on pure sets) and also a small, negligible amount of teleports. So are ARE losing money. You are losing the money that you could have had if you went to AZs. It's true though, AZs are much more crowded, but I've never had to hop more than 4 times.