Global Warming. Whats your opinion?

[gonpost]

*sigh*

 

 

 

You guys keep saying "there's no evidence for global warming" or "there's so much evidence for it!", yet none of you bother to support your side.

 

 

 

Please, for the sake of having an actual conversation, AT LEAST read wikipedia:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

[dippymister]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

You should go shove your head in a toilet.. Maybe the bacteria in it might crawl inside your head and act as a brain..

 

 

 

Of course it could happen naturally you moron! what?! you think that the planet cant have anything bad happen to it!? Nature is far more destructive than man! Where have you gotten this idea that we are causing it anyway? somebody told you? Probably.. There is no concrete evidence to prove that we are causing global warming, and there is a hell of a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary. Just jump on the politically correct self blaming, the earth is gonna die if we dont recycle our aerosols, bandwagon and dont bother to look science in the face...(will continue rant later.. right now im off to burn a coal fire and leave my telly on standby while i wash my clothes at a high temperature and spray some deodorant on..)

 

 

 

Wow. First of all, you obviously didn't read my whole post, because I clearly stated that nature could cause this, but not at such a fast rate, and not as much as it is. Second of all, there is concrete evidence, and plenty of it. Try watching an Inconvenient Truth, maybe it'll put some sense into that 6 year old brain of yours. He shows multiple graphs with the C02 levels in the atmosphere, and the amount they have inceased in the last 5 years or so. Not to mention, theres loads of glaciers that have extremely decreased in size, or completely melted all away, mostly all in the past 5 years or so. It's happening because of us, and there is a multitude of evidence that says so. Like I said before, watch the movie an Inconvenient Truth, because yes, somebody did tell me, and he happens to be Al Gore. Ya. What now?

 

 

 

Go shove your head in a toilet.

 

 

 

Err... did his post just disappear?... :-s

 

 

 

whatever... -.-

[Bubsa]

*sigh*

 

 

 

You guys keep saying "there's no evidence for global warming" or "there's so much evidence for it!", yet none of you bother to support your side.

 

 

 

Please, for the sake of having an actual conversation, AT LEAST read wikipedia:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

 

 

 

Ah yes, the impartial, absolute source of fact and knowledge that's WikiI can't even finish typing this without laughing. :lol:

[gonpost]

*sigh*

 

 

 

You guys keep saying "there's no evidence for global warming" or "there's so much evidence for it!", yet none of you bother to support your side.

 

 

 

Please, for the sake of having an actual conversation, AT LEAST read wikipedia:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

 

 

 

Ah yes, the impartial, absolute source of fact and knowledge that's WikiI can't even finish typing this without laughing. :lol:

 

 

 

Bubsa, I'm saying these people should at least read it. At the very, very least. Obviously if you want a truly good opinion you should look at more sources, but for a basic understanding which has only a slightly liberal bias, go look on wikipedia.

[destro3979]

wow you guys suck...

 

i also saw the inconvenient truth yesterday in my biology class

 

and no what is happening isn't natural

 

 

 

just think all those other ice ages and warm times were the factories and billions of cars?

 

 

 

i don't get why people don't believe it

 

and im just gonna blame it all on you for screwing us over

 

good job

[sycosis5]

Right, I wanna know what people think about this, at least on this board.

 

 

 

I saw an Inconvinient truth last night, and while I knew about most of it, some of it was quite shocking. The fact that theres already been warming and cooling trends for the past 450,000 years, but recently the temperature and co2 levels have soared is quite worrying to me. I watched it with an open mind for both sides of the arguement and I was shocked at everything on there.

 

 

 

I've been looking up stuff relating to both sides of the arguement, and I don't really see something actually disputing that claim. Sure the world is on a warming trend, but it's much warmer than any in the past half million years!

 

 

 

Anyway, what do you all think about this, if anything?

 

 

 

We cant stop it but we can pospone it it will happen but we just have to make this world last longer anyway this is what i lerarnd in geography

 

 

 

 

 

the polar ice caps will melt but when they do the sea level wont raise if its sinking bit by bit if it all goes at the once then were screwed so people dont worry "every littel things agona be alright :thumbsup: "

[vilageidiotx]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

[Barihawk]

I love how people watch a video made by Al Gore and read "A slightly left biased" Wikipedia article and suddenly become natural scientists.

[destro3979]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

 

 

 

i see your point but what you are saying is wrong is some cases

 

many countries (not the us) have much cleaner cars

 

and we have made massive amounts of pollution

 

also they can test different things like ice to find a pretty accurate co2 level for past years

[gonpost]

I love how people watch a video made by Al Gore and read "A slightly left biased" Wikipedia article and suddenly become natural scientists.

 

 

 

And thus you have made the most valid point here, which also happens to be the reason that I stay out of these arguments anymore (although I apparently couldn't help myself this time...)

 

 

 

Everyone here will claim the other side knows nothing because no one here is, in fact, a scientist or an "expert" on climate. This argument is largely pointless.

[vilageidiotx]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

 

 

 

i see your point but what you are saying is wrong is some cases

 

many countries (not the us) have much cleaner cars

 

and we have made massive amounts of pollution

 

also they can test different things like ice to find a pretty accurate co2 level for past years

 

 

 

 

 

Their are some clean cars out their, but alot of them, especially in the states, are gimics. Other countrys have less pollution for many other reasons. Also i said limited ways of testing, i know they can test ice and soil but alot of times their are other possible reasons why the levels are higher/lower, making the margin of error wide enough to put the data into question.

[Nedich]

I love how people watch a video made by Al Gore and read "A slightly left biased" Wikipedia article and suddenly become natural scientists.

 

 

 

And thus you have made the most valid point here, which also happens to be the reason that I stay out of these arguments anymore (although I apparently couldn't help myself this time...)

 

 

 

Everyone here will claim the other side knows nothing because no one here is, in fact, a scientist or an "expert" on climate. This argument is largely pointless.

 

 

 

For the record I don't see a problem with anybody quoting wikipedia. People get ahead of themselves here. Everybody acts like an expert when in reality the majority of people here are just teenagers (intelligent ones true) but teenagers none the less. Probably explains why mostly everyone here wants to be right all the time and why you rarely see a "mature" debate.

[destro3979]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

 

 

 

i see your point but what you are saying is wrong is some cases

 

many countries (not the us) have much cleaner cars

 

and we have made massive amounts of pollution

 

also they can test different things like ice to find a pretty accurate co2 level for past years

 

 

 

 

 

Their are some clean cars out their, but alot of them, especially in the states, are gimics. Other countrys have less pollution for many other reasons. Also i said limited ways of testing, i know they can test ice and soil but alot of times their are other possible reasons why the levels are higher/lower, making the margin of error wide enough to put the data into question.

 

 

 

ya i know but its still a basic idea

 

but my main reason for believing its a problem it that in the last couple hundred years or so we have much more technology

 

and it creates alot of pollution that never existed before

[Jaziek]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

You should go shove your head in a toilet.. Maybe the bacteria in it might crawl inside your head and act as a brain..

 

 

 

Of course it could happen naturally you moron! what?! you think that the planet cant have anything bad happen to it!? Nature is far more destructive than man! Where have you gotten this idea that we are causing it anyway? somebody told you? Probably.. There is no concrete evidence to prove that we are causing global warming, and there is a hell of a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary. Just jump on the politically correct self blaming, the earth is gonna die if we dont recycle our aerosols, bandwagon and dont bother to look science in the face...(will continue rant later.. right now im off to burn a coal fire and leave my telly on standby while i wash my clothes at a high temperature and spray some deodorant on..)

 

 

 

Wow. First of all, you obviously didn't read my whole post, because I clearly stated that nature could cause this, but not at such a fast rate, and not as much as it is. Second of all, there is concrete evidence, and plenty of it. Try watching an Inconvenient Truth, maybe it'll put some sense into that 6 year old brain of yours. He shows multiple graphs with the C02 levels in the atmosphere, and the amount they have inceased in the last 5 years or so. Not to mention, theres loads of glaciers that have extremely decreased in size, or completely melted all away, mostly all in the past 5 years or so. It's happening because of us, and there is a multitude of evidence that says so. Like I said before, watch the movie an Inconvenient Truth, because yes, somebody did tell me, and he happens to be Al Gore. Ya. What now?

 

 

 

Go shove your head in a toilet.

 

 

 

Err... did his post just disappear?... :-s

 

 

 

whatever... -.-

 

 

 

I have watched it.. However, im not going to let my opinion get based on a single movie. Global warming is not caused by us..we are not contributing in a significant way. There is very little conclusive evidence based on independant and non-biased data that says it is our fault. the earths temperature has fluctuated wildly before, and we werent even on the planet then. We just happen to be here when it is happening again. The glaciers werent always there you know.. earth does change, and theres nothing we can do about it.

[Jaziek]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

 

 

 

i see your point but what you are saying is wrong is some cases

 

many countries (not the us) have much cleaner cars

 

and we have made massive amounts of pollution

 

also they can test different things like ice to find a pretty accurate co2 level for past years

 

 

 

 

 

Their are some clean cars out their, but alot of them, especially in the states, are gimics. Other countrys have less pollution for many other reasons. Also i said limited ways of testing, i know they can test ice and soil but alot of times their are other possible reasons why the levels are higher/lower, making the margin of error wide enough to put the data into question.

 

 

 

ya i know but its still a basic idea

 

but my main reason for believing its a problem it that in the last couple hundred years or so we have much more technology

 

and it creates alot of pollution that never existed before

 

 

 

so when the last ice age or warming hit.. pollution caused that as well? Because the dinosaurs left their TVs on standby? Or basic single celled organisms drove round in gas guzzling SUVs? - We are an insignifcant part of the equation in the balance of earth. We are bystanders watching the planet change. We cannot, have not, and will not, interfere with it.

[destro3979]

Everyone who says its caused naturally should go shove their head in the toilet. Do you think its some coincidence that the CO2 levels are all of a sudden way higher than they have ever been now, and that Antartica, the Arctic, and Greenland are pretty much melting away as we speak?... Yes, it would happen naturally, but not this much, and definitely not this fast. People need to smart up (especially us Americans, driving around in our gas-guzzling SUV's all the time, and polluting the air like theres no tomorrow), and start to use alternative energy solutions, buy cleaner cars, not use as much energy, and some of the other things that he mentioned in An Inconvenient Truth. Sheesh.

 

 

 

Think, dont listen. How would they know that C02 is the highest ever, when they have such a limited abililty to test past the 1800's? I will agree humans are part of the equation, but not all. Also, i would like to point out the "cleaner cars" are bs, just a sales pitch by those trying to sell cars and get away with charging an arm and a leg. Some of the "cleaner cars" are actually WORSE for the earth, only getting rid of things harmful to humans. As for "alternative energy", it is possible in the near future, but will take a long time to get done, to long to make a diffrence.

 

 

 

The worst cause of global warming isnt humans, but volcanos and swamps, we are more of the "final nail" then the whole coffin. I suggest you do research beyond "an inconvienient truth", thats POLITICS not science.

 

 

 

i see your point but what you are saying is wrong is some cases

 

many countries (not the us) have much cleaner cars

 

and we have made massive amounts of pollution

 

also they can test different things like ice to find a pretty accurate co2 level for past years

 

 

 

 

 

Their are some clean cars out their, but alot of them, especially in the states, are gimics. Other countrys have less pollution for many other reasons. Also i said limited ways of testing, i know they can test ice and soil but alot of times their are other possible reasons why the levels are higher/lower, making the margin of error wide enough to put the data into question.

 

 

 

ya i know but its still a basic idea

 

but my main reason for believing its a problem it that in the last couple hundred years or so we have much more technology

 

and it creates alot of pollution that never existed before

 

 

 

so when the last ice age or warming hit.. pollution caused that as well? Because the dinosaurs left their TVs on standby? Or basic single celled organisms drove round in gas guzzling SUVs? - We are an insignifcant part of the equation in the balance of earth. We are bystanders watching the planet change. We cannot, have not, and will not, interfere with it.

 

 

 

no im saying that this new pollution cant be good for the environment...

 

were there smog clouds around in that time? was water getting filled with sewage,oil and other chemicals in those times?

 

the earth dosent know how to Handel it so it just starts screwing things up...

 

 

 

i myself have seen the effects

 

i ski alot and in just the last few years there has been a massive drop in snowfall

 

my dad who skis and has for probably 50 years now has seen it as well

 

he remembers a good 6ft minimum each year and now we get a foot or 2 if were lucky

[pompey_spud]

Please, all you Al Gore supporters, stop blindly following that hypocrite. He doesn't practise what he preaches, and his argument in An Incovenient Truth is largely flawed and he misses out a lot of contradicting information.

 

 

 

Before replying to this, I urge you, read about this:

 

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/

 

 

 

Many good things on the site. That programme is what really cemented my belief that the human contribution to global warming is absolute bull crap, and people like Al Gore are just fear mongers. If you've read Michael Crichton's 'State of Fear', you'll know what I mean by that.

 

 

 

Edit - I hear the link doesn't work. In that case, google 'The Great Global Warming Swindle', and follow the link to the first site which should be the Channel 4 Minisite.

[vilageidiotx]

Please, all you Al Gore supporters, stop blindly following that hypocrite. He doesn't practise what he preaches, and his argument in An Incovenient Truth is largely flawed and he misses out a lot of contradicting information.

 

 

 

Before replying to this, I urge you, read about this:

 

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/

 

 

 

Many good things on the site. That programme is what really cemented my belief that the human contribution to global warming is absolute bull crap, and people like Al Gore are just fear mongers. If you've read Michael Crichton's 'State of Fear', you'll know what I mean by that.

 

 

 

Your link doesnt work #-o but i assume its about the fact that Gore's house doesnt employ any eco friendly items, and his energy use is through the roof!

 

 

 

Intresting twist to that, Bush's texas ranch is eco-friendly.

[pompey_spud]

Damn, can't see why the link won't work. No worries, I'll edit the post.

[destro3979]

Damn, can't see why the link won't work. No worries, I'll edit the post.

 

 

 

link worked fine for me

 

 

 

trying to do the quiz but it keeps having errors when i hit the next question?

 

 

 

i got to 5 and only had 1 wrong

 

 

 

something about a company in england?

[pompey_spud]

:wall:

 

The idea was to go to the arguments section, and suddenly go :shock: as you realise how uninformed most Global Warming picketers are, and that humans are not responsible.

[vilageidiotx]

I works for me now

 

(wasnt what i thought)

 

 

 

Wow :shock: I think everyone should have to read that after watching an inconvienent truth, its the medicine to counteract the political bs that movie shoves down ones throat.

[pompey_spud]

^^

 

 

 

That's the reaction I was looking for. Made me smile. :)

 

 

 

At least that's one person brought into the light. (Generated by burning fossil fuels, of course :P )

[destro3979]

ok i read it

 

 

 

they have many good points

 

but i think that 75% of science is crap

 

including research on both sides of the debate

 

 

 

i guess what i support more

 

is anti pollution

 

 

 

because even if it dosent affect global warming it still hurts the environment in ways it never has

[Barihawk]

 

 

 

Intresting twist to that, Bush's texas ranch is eco-friendly.

 

 

 

Not only that, but he is the only politician actively planning and coordinating a mass switch to green energy. His 20 year plan is the ONLY current model for reducing emissions.

 

 

 

The Democrats are all talk on this issue. And they are ignoring the fact that not only is the switch beneficial to the environmnt, but the US economy will be enriched by a switch.