Global Warming. Whats your opinion?

[pompey_spud]

Pompey for goodness sake. That article you posted doesn't recognise the Ice Core samples with recent data in them. If you would be so kind, please look at the graph from NASA that I posted, I don't care what your site says.

 

The entire conclusiois based on ice core samples fool! Al Gore just failed to mention this lag in his movie. He claimed there was a correlation between CO2 and global temperature, and yet the ice core samples prove him wrong.

 

 

 

In the past 400,000 years, the C02 had not been above 300 parts per million, but now it's nearing 400 ppm in the space of 200 years.

 

So what??? Yes, we have put more CO2 into the atmosphere, well done for noticing the entire Industrial Revolution, and the development of coal burning engines, but why does it matter? These ice core samples show the MINIMAL amount of CO2 we are putting into the atmosphere is not affecting global temperature.

[Saix80]

sadly I think its true... though i think we can prevent it though if we can lsiten up

[britrockdude]

I got a few tips for you pompey.

 

 

 

1: Come up with a better insult than 'fool' which I already said to you.

 

 

 

2: READ THE POSTS!

 

 

 

3:REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAD.

 

 

 

Geez, I said in my post that I haven't seen any solid proof that C02 is making the atmosphere hotter, I was just saying that C02 is a dangerous thing to have too much of in the air. I still am researching a possible link but I haven't found an actual connection.

 

 

 

What exactly is so inconclusive about ice core samples? Seems to me it's a perfect way to trap kinds of air in the ice.

 

 

 

Speaking of which: "Deuterium is a heavy isotope of hydrogen. If a sample of ice has a lot of it, that means the temperature was warmer - and vice versa."

 

 

 

Just found that on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3792209.stm, so maybe there is a correlation between C02 and temperature after all. I'm still researching but that seems promising.

 

 

 

So, let me know if you can actually come up with a better hypothesis using actual scientific evidence.

[pompey_spud]

I got a few tips for you pompey.

 

 

 

1: Come up with a better insult than 'fool' which I already said to you.

 

Believe me, you don't want me to say what I'm thinking.

 

 

 

 

2: READ THE POSTS!

 

 

 

3:REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAD.

 

 

OH! So that's where I've been going wrong! You see, i've been trying to inhale your posts, not read them, :roll: , what was I thinking?

 

 

 

Geez, I said in my post that I haven't seen any solid proof that C02 is making the atmosphere hotter, I was just saying that C02 is a dangerous thing to have too much of in the air. I still am researching a possible link but I haven't found an actual connection.

 

 

 

What exactly is so inconclusive about ice core samples? Seems to me it's a perfect way to trap kinds of air in the ice.

 

So, let me know if you can actually come up with a better hypothesis using actual scientific evidence.

 

 

 

@ Bold - Why is it a dangerous thing? Don't quote me on this, but im pretty sure humans could live in an atmosphere of something like 10% CO2 (providing there was still 22-odd-% O2), let alone the tiny tiny 0.002% there is now.

 

Also, you're right, there isn't any conclusive proof, because it's wrong. Ice core samples show there definetly isn't a correlation between global temperature and CO2 levels.

 

 

 

@ Italics - It IS! Take your own advice, and read my post, I have quoted a passage from my source, which says that.

 

 

 

What more of a conclusion do you want? CO2 does not affect global temperature, it has been PROVEN, go to my source and look at the graphs and explanations. Nuts to your nasa graph, it's pointing out the obvious, without providing an actual point.

[vilageidiotx]

The earth is like a baby. Now if you had a baby, and that baby got a fever, you would take it to the doctor. Now, if the doctor said "You need to intervene", you wouldn't reply "I read a science-fiction novel that says it's not true".

 

 

 

The world has a fever. And we need to intervene.

 

 

 

Well that's a good way of putting it. And what about future generations?

 

 

 

I dont think we have that type of power over the earth. We are more like bugs that bit the baby and gave it the fever, and now we are crawling on the baby with the fever, we can tell its hot but we cant stop what we started.

 

 

 

There is no plausible way to fix this. You could end civilization and eventually its going to slow down, but ending civilization is obviously way to drastic, since we are to naive of a society to live in the wild. We can't stop pollution as easy as people think. Even the "Cleaner Burning Fuels" won't make much difference. Even if we could end all of our pollution, the earth will finish it for us, with its volcanos and the emissions from swamps and tundras. Basiclly, we should stop worrying about stopping it, because its like stopping a speeding train with a stick, and we should start building the better air conditioner.

 

 

 

I still admit im a sceptic, this smells like a doomsday theory, and waving graphs and charts in my face wont change my mind. I mean, come on, its Snowing In the Midwest in April, doesnt seem very warm to me.

[britrockdude]

Your site doesn't even have any evidence to back it up, it's just incomplete conclusions. (by the way, I can't seem to find the graphs you're talking about on the site, can you link that please? I've looked through arguements and can't find the ones you're talking about) I mean, it bleeding says volcanoes put more C02 in the air than people, maybe it does in 1 day, but all day every day pollution from humans is more than enough as the graph I posted says.

 

 

 

I just want you to find your own evidence instead of being fed by the hand.

 

 

 

Oh, and Villageidiot, just for the sake of saying so, it's nearly 80 degrees forecasted today in England, pretty hot for april. Just to show a bit of contrast, but I do know about the snow there.

[warri0r45]

I still admit im a sceptic, this smells like a doomsday theory, and waving graphs and charts in my face wont change my mind. I mean, come on, its Snowing In the Midwest in April, doesnt seem very warm to me.

 

 

 

Hence why 'climate change' is a better phrase. The proposed affect of global warming is average temperature increase, which still leaves localised plummets possible. Infact, global warming predicts more eratic weather patterns all round, including wild blizzards and snowing in odd places.

[pompey_spud]

Your site doesn't even have any evidence to back it up, it's just incomplete conclusions. (by the way, I can't seem to find the graphs you're talking about on the site, can you link that please? I've looked through arguements and can't find the ones you're talking about) I mean, it bleeding says volcanoes put more C02 in the air than people, maybe it does in 1 day, but all day every day pollution from humans is more than enough as the graph I posted says.

 

 

 

I just want you to find your own evidence instead of being fed by the hand.

 

My site uses the same ice core data as Al Gore uses in his video, its just that it gets the right interpretation this time.

 

 

 

You want evidence?

 

 

 

It is also important to note that both the Arctic and global temperatures began to decrease in about 1940, when our release of greenhouse gases began to increase rapidly

 

 

 

This comparison shows clearly that much of the prominent warming in the continental Arctic after 1970 was not caused by the human-induced greenhouse effect.

 

 

 

Further, let us examine temperature changes during the last century. Figure 4 is similar to Figure 1, except it includes the Subarctic, and the zero line represents the average value of the last century. One can see that warming and cooling continuously occurred during the last century. Thus, it is not difficult to infer that the rise after 1970 is not entirely due to the manmade greenhouse effect.

 

 

 

In recent years, there have been a large number of reports that both glaciers and sea ice in the Arctic Ocean have been receding. However, longer-term records show that such phenomena have been in progress continuously since 1800 or earlier

 

 

 

Link for all that - http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/news/news_shorts/akasofu_4_26_06/written_testimony.php

 

 

 

Want some more?

 

 

 

how about this source? http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V3/N23/C1.jsp

 

Or this one? http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V2/N2/C4.jsp

 

Or maybe this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/teletubbies

 

 

 

You may ask why I included the last one, but then I know full well you won't visit any of my sources, and so there's no danger of me being found out :wink:

[warri0r45]

Or maybe this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/teletubbies

 

 

 

You may ask why I included the last one, but then I know full well you won't visit any of my sources, and so there's no danger of me being found out :wink:

 

 

 

LOL

 

Cocky, mate. Very cocky. :P

[Striker6]

People that say human beings aren't effecting the ice caps melting have exactly the same mentality as people like Neville Chamberlain that told us Hitler was a nice guy that wasn't going to continually invade countries. Stop looking for excuses and reasons to do nothing and start doing something. Because its people like you that will be the first ones pushed off the boat, cocky buggers.

[britrockdude]

Oh, it pains me to think that I don't look at your sources. You're actually more incorrect than I thought.

 

 

 

If you actually read my FIRST post in this entire thread, I said I was open minded about it all. If you read most of my posts throughout, I say that I haven't found a correllation between the C02 levels and temperature. So, since we've established that you arent reading my posts, lets just stop this nonsense, agree to disagree and get on with it.

 

 

 

To be completely honest, I was actually about to click the teletubby thread on my way of reading the articles you posted.

 

 

 

Now look. The thing that I feel is pointless about the graphs that you have posted is that it only spans the past 100 years. Not much happens in 100, or even 1000 years to the earth. So whatever measurements are taken on temperature are irrelevant.

 

 

 

I personally don't care that much that people are saying the temperature is going to rise by a few degrees, what I do want to see is if the amount of C02 that humans are putting into the atmosphere is driving it in some way or other.

 

 

 

So, can we actually debate this again properly now?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: It actually doesn't pain me, it actually makes me laugh to a certain extent.

[Craven_Image]

I think it's a bit big-headed to think that humans could change the fate of an entire planet. We might be a very successful species on this planet but in terms of the Earth and it's history we're only a very small part of it.

 

 

 

If we really are affecting the Earth then why not just abandon all greenhouse gas-emitting technology, cars, power plants, industry.

 

 

 

If we did this then i'm sure we'd have far more fatalities than if we let global warming do it's business. If for example we lowered CO2 emissions by not using cars/planes/boats we'd have a reduction in imports/exports and transportation of food. Places which are not self-sustainable would soon run short on food. Without powerplants we'd have no electricity, without electricity the majority of businesses would collapse without businesses they'd be no industry to support the already overpopulated Earth. I think we should carry on as we are and take whatever comes to us.

[Geordiequeen]

Global Warming is a major problem but what about Global Dimming.

 

If we get rid of Global Warming we will all freeze to death because of Global dimming and vice versus. The only thing we can do is start looking after our environment and slowly but steadly combat both of these problems. At the moment Global Dimming is stopping the major effects of Global warming and Global warming is stopping the major effects of Global warming. It is a constant battle between the two and if we get rid of one we will face the consequences. I think now is a good time to start caring for our environment instead of ruining it.

[pompey_spud]

what I do want to see is if the amount of C02 that humans are putting into the atmosphere is driving it in some way or other.

 

@bold - Sorry what?

 

I'm going to assume you mean that you want to know whether CO2 is causing temperature change, whether it be up or down, that correct?

[A107]

For religious reasons, I don't think G.W. will happen. It probably exists, but we will never see it happen. I do agree that we have to clean up the air for our children. How many kids have gotten asthma due to air pollution? Also the Lib Dems are to blame. Look at them.... CLEAN UP THE AIR CHOOB!!!! and here they are flying personal jets, driving SUV's, and consuming huge amounts of electricity. What am I doing? I'm farting and breathing deep, so I can contribute to greenhouse gasses.

[Striker6]

CLEAN UP THE AIR CHOOB!!!!

 

 

 

I lol'd, can I siggy that?

[A107]

Sure.

[Satenza]

Also the Lib Dems are to blame. Look at them.... CLEAN UP THE AIR CHOOB!!!! and here they are flying personal jets, driving SUV's, and consuming huge amounts of electricity

 

 

 

I find you funny. Don't go anywhere!

[Striker6]

Also the Lib Dems are to blame. Look at them.... CLEAN UP THE AIR CHOOB!!!! and here they are flying personal jets, driving SUV's, and consuming huge amounts of electricity

 

 

 

I find you funny. Don't go anywhere!

 

 

 

ahh the ice cold wit of a ch00b.

[britrockdude]

=D> for the ch00b comment. Sheer brilliance!

 

 

 

I know what you mean. I doubt that air travel and stuff make too much difference. I just think that if everybody does something small, and if the begger car companies and stuff produce more fuel efficient cars that will all help.

 

 

 

Pompey, I suppose that is what I'm looking for. It's just that the temperature and C02 in the ice cores [bleep]e and fall at the same general time which seems too much of a coincidence for me. It's just that C02 is having an effect on the atmosphere if I remember what I know about global dimming as well as I think.

 

 

 

And on that subject, yes geordie, I know what you mean. I'm guessing you're referencing the BBC programme about that? It will require a kind of equilibrium, but as it says in the programme, massive amounts of those gases are contributing to climate change (not global warming! just to avoid any unnecesary comments) so something does need to be done, and it certainyl shouldn't be left alone.

[Antrune]

People that say human beings aren't effecting the ice caps melting have exactly the same mentality as people like Neville Chamberlain that told us Hitler was a nice guy that wasn't going to continually invade countries. Stop looking for excuses and reasons to do nothing and start doing something. Because its people like you that will be the first ones pushed off the boat, cocky buggers.

 

 

 

Nope your kind are the Hitler's of the world, dictating to us about the CO2 theory and refusing to hear other opinions.

[britrockdude]

Pompey, say hello to my little friend:

 

 

 

http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article2521677.ece

 

 

 

I watched the global warming swindle. It's a bunch of people talking out of their backsides, most of which arent even scientists. If you look at the link, it says that the main factor in the show (sun spots) was fabricated.

 

 

 

(Sorry to open this up again, it probably will be closed now, but I wanted to bring this to the table).

 

 

 

I'm not saying I know the cause of global warming, but I want to say that the information you provided is inaccurate, and misleading.

[gamblingfool]

I agree with Bubsa. Personally I do not think we have any large impacts on Global Warming, but we should definitely cut down on emissions. I had a huge debate with my whole class who believed Global Warming was majorly our fault, convinced almost all of them we aren't doing anything at all. :

 

 

 

 

 

And I guess a study was released about how Mar's air tempature has risen about the same as Earths in the same amount of time. And there are no humans effecting that.

 

 

 

 

 

And I've seen An Inconvienent Truth. Gore over exxagerates about half the things he talked about. If it wasn't in the movie, he talked about how sea levels could rise 20 feet in 20 minutes... Which is impossible. I think the only reason people follow him is because he knows how to sell his story.

[Sumpta]

Last April:

 

Countries like Spain, Italy, Greece were flooded for a month.

 

Countries such as Belgium and the Netherlands, known for their rainy springs, had a heat wave that lasted 37 days during which they didn't get one drop of rain, shattering all records.

 

 

 

It's not the only freak weather we've had, it's just one of the many instances. The last few years, the seasons here have turned upside down. At the end of every month, the weather forecaster tells us either that we have broken a record, or nearly broke the record of 1890-something. Everyday people like myself are noticing the changes - it's undeniable.

 

 

 

I don't see why everybody is so resistant to changing the way we live. People in the western world need more than one earth to sustain their mode of living. We are polluting the world, regardless if the climate change is a scientific fact or not. How could anybody not want to contribute to a cleaner earth, a future for our descendants, just to sustain their selfish way of life? How is it possible that people keep arguing over the correctness of the theory, when in practice it's just plain and obvious that we need to change things?

[warri0r45]

Last April:

 

Countries like Spain, Italy, Greece were flooded for a month.

 

Countries such as Belgium and the Netherlands, known for their rainy springs, had a heat wave that lasted 37 days during which they didn't get one drop of rain, shattering all records.

 

 

 

It's not the only freak weather we've had, it's just one of the many instances. The last few years, the seasons here have turned upside down. At the end of every month, the weather forecaster tells us either that we have broken a record, or nearly broke the record of 1890-something. Everyday people like myself are noticing the changes - it's undeniable.

 

 

 

I don't see why everybody is so resistant to changing the way we live. People in the western world need more than one earth to sustain their mode of living. We are polluting the world, regardless if the climate change is a scientific fact or not. How could anybody not want to contribute to a cleaner earth, a future for our descendants, just to sustain their selfish way of life? How is it possible that people keep arguing over the correctness of the theory, when in practice it's just plain and obvious that we need to change things?

 

 

 

Here here. Regardless of whether it's true or not, the climate is fluctuating in a way that demands us all to at least be aware that what we're doing isn't in the best interests of keeping the human race in existance. People can argue the truth of the theory till' the cows come home, it still dosen't get us anywhere in terms of ensuring the longevity of the human race in terms of pollution and the source of our energy.