Should F2P get skill capes?

[Troacctid]

Should free to play get skill capes? No. All the pay to play players are paying over ten pounds (in some cases) when it used to be only two and a half. So, we (as in play to players) should pay more money for less benefits? Less people would continue to subscribe to members and the people who could deal with the change would still not be pleased. Free to play has a load of content already, they don't need a cape. Think about it! The duel arena, team capes. The whole shebang.

 

 

 

If anyone is to lazy to read the above paragraph; no.

 

So you're saying that nothing should be given to free players. No new content.

 

 

 

I'm saying the current pay to play content should stay pay to play. If something new were to be introduced into the game, it could possibly be open to free to play players. But I think it is wrong if something that people payed for (they expected it to stay that way) should stay for them. Imagine if you bought something for twenty dollars, but the next day... it was free. You'd be annoyed, right?

 

My Nintendo DS cost me $150. Today I could get the same model for half that, easily. The same thing has happened to my phone, my TV, my computer, and pretty much all my electronics. I'm not annoyed at all, because I expect new models to come out over time. Poor analogy.

 

 

 

So you would be absolutely okay with skillcapes being f2p if they had been from the start, but absolutely opposed if they were changed to be f2p now? Either way, they'd be f2p. What's the difference?

 

 

 

How was it a poor analogy? RuneScape is a video game, you pay for the content. This content isn't supposed to be given for free, even as time goes on because people pay five dollars (at least) a month for this content. And yes I would be alright if they were originally free to play because I would know they aren't part of the package of content I pay for monthly. The difference? If you had that stance on everything, nothing would be play to play.

 

This is just it, though. This argument assumes that skillcapes are the reason people are paying for the game. But that's silly. There's so many benefits of membership: nine new skills, over a hundred new quests, ten times as much map space to explore, over 400 additional bank spaces, and loads of new content in all the existing f2p skills (except firemaking). I don't know about you, but that's what I'm paying for.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest if free players had access to a cool-looking cape they could only obtain after hundreds of hours of dedicated training--it's not like my skillcapes are going to be torn from my character's back. Heck, if Jagex could weaken the stat boosts of skillcapes in free worlds, it wouldn't even give an unfair advantage in f2p combat. It doesn't affect me at all. I don't see why anyone would even care, outside of spite.

[Bloodkay]

 

How was it a poor analogy? RuneScape is a video game, you pay for the content. This content isn't supposed to be given for free, even as time goes on because people pay five dollars (at least) a month for this content. And yes I would be alright if they were originally free to play because I would know they aren't part of the package of content I pay for monthly. The difference? If you had that stance on everything, nothing would be play to play.

 

 

 

I think Jagex can decide what they want to be given to who.

 

What if they were to give a cape similar to the 99 P2P cape? Technically it's new content, so you wouldn't be mad for "being ripped off". And we DON'T have that stance on everything. Even if we did, P2Per's would still get TONS of additional content. And updates too! You're being dramatic.

[Jaffy1]

Should free to play get skill capes? No. All the pay to play players are paying over ten pounds (in some cases) when it used to be only two and a half. So, we (as in play to players) should pay more money for less benefits? Less people would continue to subscribe to members and the people who could deal with the change would still not be pleased. Free to play has a load of content already, they don't need a cape. Think about it! The duel arena, team capes. The whole shebang.

 

 

 

If anyone is to lazy to read the above paragraph; no.

 

 

 

I agree, why on earth would f2p need skill capes? Jagex needs us, paying members, to keep the game alive. I trained most my mining in f2p, and when I finally get that cape, I'll wear it with pride, dispite my being p2p now and having it trained in f2p.

 

 

 

 

 

Possible solution: adding a f2p version of a skill cape, but make it smaller, no cb stats, and no emote.

 

 

 

 

 

I see all these f2p people nagging about p2p content :thumbdown: , but what's the big deal? :wall: Just get membership, it's cheap. Hell, I spend more cash on food a week then on rs a month.

 

 

 

Think about it; RuneScape is 5,95 for me a month, and I enjoy it many hours more than a subway sandwitch that costs more. Whatever it is you eat, that one you eat less a month for p2p is definetly worth it.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

All the pay to play players are paying over ten pounds (in some cases) when it used to be only two and a half. So, we (as in play to players) should pay more money for less benefits?

 

It only ever went up because of the high quantity of updates P2P expects. Pay more for less benefits? Hardly. Skill capes were never the cause of a price increase, and thus moving them to F2P would not give less benefits for your money

 

 

 

I agree, why on earth would f2p need skill capes? Jagex needs us, paying members, to keep the game alive. I trained most my mining in f2p, and when I finally get that cape, I'll wear it with pride, dispite my being p2p now and having it trained in f2p.

 

P2P doesn't NEED them either. They are for fun and showing off your skill.

 

 

 

 

 

Possible solution: adding a f2p version of a skill cape, but make it smaller, no cb stats, and no emote.

 

The emote is the only part F2Pers would want from it. Even if we got the emote and no cape to go with it, most would be happy.

 

 

 

 

 

I see all these f2p people nagging about p2p content :thumbdown: , but what's the big deal? :wall: Just get membership, it's cheap. Hell, I spend more cash on food a week then on rs a month.

 

Not everybody has their own income, and can't get their parents to pay for them. Others don't have time to play enough to justify paying. I fit into that second category.

 

 

 

Think about it; RuneScape is 5,95 for me a month, and I enjoy it many hours more than a subway sandwitch that costs more. Whatever it is you eat, that one you eat less a month for p2p is definetly worth it.

 

I'm not sure what the cost is for me, but it makes no difference if you don't pay for one of many justifiable reasons, two of which I mentioned above.

 

 

 

I don't really care if we, F2P, get the capes, but I still support the idea of bringing them over.

[Jaffy1]

It only ever went up because of the high quantity of updates P2P expects. Pay more for less benefits? Hardly. Skill capes were never the cause of a price increase, and thus moving them to F2P would not give less benefits for your money.

 

 

 

Wrong. Skill capes are members only, which means it actually is.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, why on earth would f2p need skill capes? Jagex needs us, paying members, to keep the game alive. I trained most my mining in f2p, and when I finally get that cape, I'll wear it with pride, dispite my being p2p now and having it trained in f2p.

 

 

 

P2P doesn't NEED them either. They are for fun and showing off your skill.

 

 

 

Yet they exist, and therefore they are available to members. As I said, no reason to make the current capes f2p. I'd say rather make them a inferior version, as mentioned before.

 

 

 

 

 

Not everybody has their own income, and can't get their parents to pay for them. Others don't have time to play enough to justify paying. I fit into that second category.

 

 

 

Don't play énough to justify paying? Hello. As stated, food that you pay more for lasts for less than half an hour, perhaps an hour. I am sure you can play more than an hour a month. Besides, you don't need to play die-hard if you're p2p.

 

 

 

I don't really care if we, F2P, get the capes, but I still support the idea of bringing them over.

 

 

 

Then what's wrong with my suggestion?

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Read the other part of my post and you would see my thoughts on your idea of a weaker, emote-free cape. Very few F2Pers want a powerful cape over the emote.

 

 

 

If F2P gets a weakened version, how is it NOT a benefit to have P2P? You still get the stronger cape. And if I'm not playing more than an hour a day, on average, then it is not worth paying. A lot of the time, I don't play at all for weeks at a time. I try to get online as much as possible, but with work, sleep, and the little bit of life I have, I can't often find time anymore.

[Jaffy1]

Read the other part of my post and you would see my thoughts on your idea of a weaker, emote-free cape. Very few F2Pers want a powerful cape over the emote.

 

 

 

If F2P gets a weakened version, how is it NOT a benefit to have P2P? You still get the stronger cape. And if I'm not playing more than an hour a day, on average, then it is not worth paying. A lot of the time, I don't play at all for weeks at a time. I try to get online as much as possible, but with work, sleep, and the little bit of life I have, I can't often find time anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

Then just the emote and a tiny cape. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

As said, original skill capes should remain p2p.

 

 

 

Again, I, as a p2p player don't play all day. I reckon I get around 1-2 hours a day in on average, as I play evenings when I got nothing better to do, or when I make homework I sometimes wc or fish. Not much to get so excited about, as I said, p2p is cheap, no need to play all day.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I would be fine with that suggestion. As long as the emote comes with. Even though I can't use any of the emotes, yet. And I agree that since the original capes were P2P only at release, they should remain so. But it is ultimately up to Jagex, not you, and not me.

 

 

 

I get an average of maybe 10 minutes a day. Why would I pay the money for a game I can play for free, if I barely play at all? Besides, there aren't any convenient ways to pay for me.

[Jaffy1]

I find it hard to understand how you can't find the time to play an hour a day.

 

Credit cards are convenient.

 

 

 

 

 

Whatever Jagex may decide, I'll be p2p anyways ;)

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I refuse to get a credit card, as does everybody I live with. Too much hassle and not enough benefit, really. Not to mention the fact that I don't want to end up spending more than I have. And I don't spend all of my time on the internet. I work, I sleep, I like to spend time outside everyday... Heck, I even enjoy reading! Not to mention my other online activities, such as browsing TIF (runescape runs too slowly if I open a second tab/window). Add on the fact I share my computer with 4 other people and I don't have time for much of anything online, anymore.

 

 

 

And hopefully most members agree with this:

 

 

 

Whatever Jagex may decide, I'll be p2p anyways ;)

[Fwut]

the only flaw with this is that there is a large macro problem in f2p. a majority of those capes would go to robots that existed for less than a month.

 

You seem rather ignorant to the fact that about 6/10 botters are P2P. I get much more results with the test where you say bot and all of the botters say "rofl, LOL, lmao or noon" test on P2P as I do with F2P.

 

 

 

Also, were you ever at Catherbry before the trade limit update? The sea of bald men with dark brown beards was really something.

 

 

 

Anyways, back on topic; yes. F2Pers do deserve skillcapes. The level of dedication and time it takes to get a 99 in F2P is a real "wow". Plus, if you were so dedicated to get a 99 in F2P, isn't it a real annoyance knowing that you HAVE to get P2P to get the thing you worked so hark to get? Sort of defeats the purpose.

[Jaffy1]

Also, were you ever at Catherbry before the trade limit update? The sea of bald men with dark brown beards was really something.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I was, and no there weren't. I've only once seen something that looked like a bot in p2p, and that was a flax picker. Well over 3 years ago, and we couldn't be sure of that either, as people can shut their chats off.

 

 

 

However, this is a good thing about trade limits, no more bots for f2p. If anything, it would be likelier to see bots in p2p now rather than in f2p, as trade limits in p2p can be much, much larger than in f2p. In the past, without trade limits, there was simply no reason for people to get membership for a disposible bot account.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Also, were you ever at Catherbry before the trade limit update? The sea of bald men with dark brown beards was really something.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I was, and no there weren't. I've only once seen something that looked like a bot in p2p, and that was a flax picker. Well over 3 years ago, and we couldn't be sure of that either, as people can shut their chats off.

 

 

 

However, this is a good thing about trade limits, no more bots for f2p. If anything, it would be likelier to see bots in p2p now rather than in f2p, as trade limits in p2p can be much, much larger than in f2p. In the past, without trade limits, there was simply no reason for people to get membership for a disposible bot account.

 

I don't know about a "sea of bald men with dark brown beards" but I used to hear about all of the suspected bots my P2P friends ran into. There were a lot of them before the trade limit. Now, most of those friends have let their memberships expire, and many of them even quit.

[Md61813]

They deserve it. But Jagex won't do it, because it's attracting new members; more money.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe F2P should get skill capes, since like everyone agrees, it is much harder to get 99 in a stat with the limited XP options. However, this is a good point, and probably the main reason why it wont ever happen (even though I would like it to.)

[Guest]

Mr mackey; Skill capes are bad mkay!

 

 

 

i really don't see the use of skill capes, and the fact that they should be f2p. This was released as a p2p item, and should remain that way. You ever seen the sea of noobs that follows a member while wearing a skill cape? You want that to happen to you? it's so freaking scary!

 

 

 

And seriously, f2p don't have room for that kinda skill capes & hoodies, so I say: NO

[Woozie]

No. I don't see a reason why F2P should get skill capes at all. F2P is simply a playmode for you to learn this game without having to pay for it beforehand. They encourage you to buy members once you have learned this game. I can get 99 cooking with lobsters as a member too so I don't really see how people can say that getting cooking as F2P is a bigger "achievement" than with members, certainly isn't. Both players used time on it. I can get 99 WC with Willows, Oaks or even normal trees but I don't because I BUY members. I pay for every update I get, you guys don't do ya?

[Jaffy1]

Mr mackey; Skill capes are bad mkay!

 

 

 

i really don't see the use of skill capes, and the fact that they should be f2p. This was released as a p2p item, and should remain that way. You ever seen the sea of noobs that follows a member while wearing a skill cape? You want that to happen to you? it's so freaking scary!

 

 

 

And seriously, f2p don't have room for that kinda skill capes & hoodies, so I say: NO

 

 

 

 

 

The wisdom of a pure f2p player with many 99s. There you go. =D>

[Bloodkay]

 

And seriously, f2p don't have room for that kinda skill capes & hoodies, so I say: NO

 

 

 

You sure you're just not referring to yourself? :lol:

[Troacctid]

No. I don't see a reason why F2P should get skill capes at all. F2P is simply a playmode for you to learn this game without having to pay for it beforehand.

 

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

 

And seriously, f2p don't have room for that kinda skill capes & hoodies, so I say: NO

 

 

 

You sure you're just not referring to yourself? :lol:

 

Yeah, I consistently have 6-10 free spots open, and that's without completing some armor sets.

[Guest]

 

And seriously, f2p don't have room for that kinda skill capes & hoodies, so I say: NO

 

 

 

You sure you're just not referring to yourself? :lol:

 

Yeah, I consistently have 6-10 free spots open, and that's without completing some armor sets.

 

 

 

A regular F2p bank will contain; Stacks of the f2p runes, stack of gp, armour, probably several random event clothing sets (which in my bank consists of about the half of my total bank) and which cannot be dropped because the rate you can get these random events now is virtually 0..... I say that with a few added items you come pretty close to that full bank of 68 items.

 

 

 

okey now let's say you have 10 slots open atm. that means with 5 99 skills (you want all capes at that point don't you?) you will have a full bank (cape + hoodie)

 

 

 

I say on behalf of that fact we do not have bank space for it, let alone for the fact we don't need it. If you want to show off your 99's use quickchat or tell people to watch the highscores. The highscores are there for a reason!

[Balazeal]

A regular F2p bank will contain; Stacks of the f2p runes, stack of gp, armour, probably several random event clothing sets (which in my bank consists of about the half of my total bank) and which cannot be dropped because the rate you can get these random events now is virtually 0.

 

 

 

So drop them. They have no actual function, their only use is for appearances. Keeping Random Event clothing is hardly necessary, it's a choice.

[Guest]

A regular F2p bank will contain; Stacks of the f2p runes, stack of gp, armour, probably several random event clothing sets (which in my bank consists of about the half of my total bank) and which cannot be dropped because the rate you can get these random events now is virtually 0.

 

 

 

So drop them. They have no actual function, their only use is for appearances. Keeping Random Event clothing is hardly necessary, it's a choice.

 

 

 

So is getting those skill capes, but you like to assemble as much of them as possible ;)

[Alg]

the only flaw with this is that there is a large macro problem in f2p. a majority of those capes would go to robots that existed for less than a month.

 

You seem rather ignorant to the fact that about 6/10 botters are P2P. I get much more results with the test where you say bot and all of the botters say "rofl, LOL, lmao or noon" test on P2P as I do with F2P.

 

 

 

Also, were you ever at Catherbry before the trade limit update? The sea of bald men with dark brown beards was really something.

 

You seem to be ignorant to the fact that I made that post in 2007. :lol: I was there, I modded there, yet I also modded in F2P with the yew trees. Far worse.

[qanq]

A regular F2p bank will contain; Stacks of the f2p runes, stack of gp, armour, probably several random event clothing sets (which in my bank consists of about the half of my total bank) and which cannot be dropped because the rate you can get these random events now is virtually 0.

 

 

 

So drop them. They have no actual function, their only use is for appearances. Keeping Random Event clothing is hardly necessary, it's a choice.

 

 

 

So is getting those skill capes, but you like to assemble as much of them as possible ;)

 

 

 

Why dont u want F2P skill capes... Look at ur lvls :o, the best F2P player i have ever senn ;D

 

 

 

I dont get the point that u dont want to "show off" ur skills? And if a noob follows u, let him... i feel like a king, when that happens :P