Should F2P get skill capes?

[Guest]

A regular F2p bank will contain; Stacks of the f2p runes, stack of gp, armour, probably several random event clothing sets (which in my bank consists of about the half of my total bank) and which cannot be dropped because the rate you can get these random events now is virtually 0.

 

 

 

So drop them. They have no actual function, their only use is for appearances. Keeping Random Event clothing is hardly necessary, it's a choice.

 

 

 

So is getting those skill capes, but you like to assemble as much of them as possible ;)

 

 

 

Why dont u want F2P skill capes... Look at ur lvls :o, the best F2P player i have ever senn ;D

 

 

 

I dont get the point that u dont want to "show off" ur skills? And if a noob follows u, let him... i feel like a king, when that happens :P

 

 

 

because there are other things we need more than skill capes, and if we ask too many stuff we do not need, or do not require to have a full game of our own we will just become a bunch of greedy people not willing to share stuff

 

 

 

*points @ p2p* nah joke ;)

 

 

 

But really by not asking for every thing p2p-ers have and only the bare neccesities we could make p2p acknowledge a few of these needs and make them think; hey those are actually helpfull updates! I just see no pro's in making skillcapes f2p, merely only con's

[Woozie]

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

 

 

 

Actually no. JaGeX wants money, they didn't make F2P so you could spend all your time on a game while they gain nothing. I still pay for whatever updates comes in Runescapes way and you sure as hell doesn't, so drop it.

[Alg]

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

 

 

 

Actually no. JaGeX wants money, they didn't make F2P so you could spend all your time on a game while they gain nothing. I still pay for whatever updates comes in Runescapes way and you sure as hell doesn't, so drop it.

 

Didn't they, actually? I'm pretty sure the game was free before it was members...

 

That said, I don't pay for updates as much as I pay to access the huge amount of other content available. Skillcapes are a small thing compared to the hundred or so other quests, including ones that are actually hard, enormous map to explore, and extra skills.

 

I'm not paying $5 to keep other players from getting minor updates every so often, am I? I'm paying $5 to play the game, and whether you pay or not, you're going to invest time. $5 doesn't make you God to say who gets what.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

 

 

 

Actually no. JaGeX wants money, they didn't make F2P so you could spend all your time on a game while they gain nothing. I still pay for whatever updates comes in Runescapes way and you sure as hell doesn't, so drop it.

 

So you honestly believe they'll earn less money if they give F2P Skillcapes? It doesn't work like that. Besides, everyone who pays $5 is not entitled to tell Jagex how they spend that money.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

 

 

 

Actually no. JaGeX wants money, they didn't make F2P so you could spend all your time on a game while they gain nothing. I still pay for whatever updates comes in Runescapes way and you sure as hell doesn't, so drop it.

 

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

[Alg]

That's blatantly false. Any other argument you've made based on this premise is meaningless. F2P is a complete game on its own.

 

 

 

Actually no. JaGeX wants money, they didn't make F2P so you could spend all your time on a game while they gain nothing. I still pay for whatever updates comes in Runescapes way and you sure as hell doesn't, so drop it.

 

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

 

I thought it was because of the dot com bubble bursting, making the Gowers less able to run a free game, so they added a pay option as a last resort

 

Or something like that

[Woozie]

 

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

 

 

 

How much they even say that you can't delete the facts. Without MY and many others money this game wouldn't exist and F2P wouldn't be there, nor P2P. Just because it has it's "own game"(wow) doesn't mean you should have more stuff. I payed JaGeX so they could continue updating this game, thus inventing skill capes. You can't fight this because this IS how it works.

[Jaffy1]

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

 

 

 

Never did anyone tell me such nonsense.

 

 

 

Do you think it is free to keep all those servers online, to have so many people work on developing the game, to maintain the whole?

 

 

 

It is us, p2p players, that keep the game alive.

[Pianokid13]

I'm a member on RuneScape. We pay $5 (I think) to have extra things. As members we have a grand amount of more items then the F2P. F2P may even sometimes work harder than P2P to get their skill to 99. Such as Woodcutting, we have the option of going to cut Magic logs at level 75. However, the F2P are stuck on Yew logs and have to continue to get their Woodcutting to level 99 by that way. Now, I do think that F2P deserve to have the ability to get skillcapes. Out of all the things and places that members have access to and F2P doesn't, I think they (RuneScape Management people) could atleast give the F2P the ability to purchase a skill cape. After all this is a game and SHOULD be fun for everyone!

[Woozie]

I'm a member on RuneScape. We pay $5 (I think) to have extra things. As members we have a grand amount of more items then the F2P. F2P may even sometimes work harder than P2P to get their skill to 99. Such as Woodcutting, we have the option of going to cut Magic logs at level 75. However, the F2P are stuck on Yew logs and have to continue to get their Woodcutting to level 99 by that way. Now, I do think that F2P deserve to have the ability to get skillcapes. Out of all the things and places that members have access to and F2P doesn't, I think they (RuneScape Management people) could atleast give the F2P the ability to purchase a skill cape. After all this is a game and SHOULD be fun for everyone!

 

 

 

 

 

WAITWAITWAIT? Are you seriously comparing Yew and Magic? The fact that Yew is twice the money and like five times the experience then magic and we're supposedly to get 99 easier cutting magics as P2P? HAHAHAHA OKAY! :lol:

 

And like many others have pointed, without members money none of those servers would've been online.

[Pianokid13]

Alright Woozie. I agree with you on that last part. If it weren't P2P money then none of those servers would be online... #-o

[Woozie]

Alright Woozie. I agree with you on that last part. If it weren't P2P money then none of those servers would be online... #-o

 

 

 

I just don't like to give some leechers, which does nothing other than leech of us P2P players, skillcapes which we payed for. Debate why? They gained 13 million just as easy as we P2P did! Willows is still the best Woodcutting XP. Lobsters isn't bad XP either. Maple/Yew is still best for Firemaking. All of theese can be used by P2P aswell as F2P! The only thing F2P has a hardtime to get is probably Mining (no granite) Crafting (no dragon hides) and prayer. Rest should be a cakewalk.

 

 

 

But then again, we payed so we could SPEED UP our levels we get if we wanted to spend our money on it! They didn't. Not my problem. I rather see a quest update for P2P than Skillcapes for F2P instead of our quest.

[Troacctid]

I'm a member on RuneScape. We pay $5 (I think) to have extra things. As members we have a grand amount of more items then the F2P. F2P may even sometimes work harder than P2P to get their skill to 99. Such as Woodcutting, we have the option of going to cut Magic logs at level 75. However, the F2P are stuck on Yew logs and have to continue to get their Woodcutting to level 99 by that way. Now, I do think that F2P deserve to have the ability to get skillcapes. Out of all the things and places that members have access to and F2P doesn't, I think they (RuneScape Management people) could atleast give the F2P the ability to purchase a skill cape. After all this is a game and SHOULD be fun for everyone!

 

WAITWAITWAIT? Are you seriously comparing Yew and Magic? The fact that Yew is twice the money and like five times the experience then magic and we're supposedly to get 99 easier cutting magics as P2P? HAHAHAHA OKAY! :lol:

 

And like many others have pointed, without members money none of those servers would've been online.

 

Uh, no, yews are 1.5x the experience of magics and 0.75x the profit. But I think Pianokid meant to talk about eucalyptus, which beats f2p yew chopping by about 10-15k xp/hr and is more profitable, or teaks, which are twice as fast for xp as f2p yews and 1.5x as fast as f2p willows.

 

 

 

Alright Woozie. I agree with you on that last part. If it weren't P2P money then none of those servers would be online... #-o

 

 

 

I just don't like to give some leechers, which does nothing other than leech of us P2P players, skillcapes which we payed for. Debate why? They gained 13 million just as easy as we P2P did! Willows is still the best Woodcutting XP. Lobsters isn't bad XP either. Maple/Yew is still best for Firemaking. All of theese can be used by P2P aswell as F2P! The only thing F2P has a hardtime to get is probably Mining (no granite) Crafting (no dragon hides) and prayer. Rest should be a cakewalk.

 

 

 

But then again, we payed so we could SPEED UP our levels we get if we wanted to spend our money on it! They didn't. Not my problem. I rather see a quest update for P2P than Skillcapes for F2P instead of our quest.

 

GIVE them your skillcapes? "In today's update, we've made skillcapes available to free players! Starting today, any member who gets a skill to level 99 must go to a free world and trade their skillcape to the first random player they see! Members will also no longer be able to buy new skillcapes from the skill masters who used to sell them, and any skillcapes that were being worn have been removed and can no longer be equipped until they are given away."

 

 

 

Do the thread a favor and be sensible. NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN AWAY. Nothing. You still wear your skillcape. You still train at the same speed. Everything is the same for you. Exactly the same. No difference. All that would change is that free players who achieve the impressive and notable feat of level 99 in a skill will be eligible for a strictly cosmetic reward. Actually, the other effect would be to let you, the member, equip your skillcape while in a free world.

 

 

 

There is NO negative effect on your gameplay if skillcapes become f2p. NONE.

 

 

 

(Oh, and you clearly are not very knowledgeable about skill training either, because chopping willows, caging lobsters, and burning yews are all substandard training methods in p2p.)

[Jaffy1]

But then again, we payed so we could SPEED UP our levels we get if we wanted to spend our money on it! They didn't. Not my problem. I rather see a quest update for P2P than Skillcapes for F2P instead of our quest.

 

Amen to that. :thumbsup:

[Bloodkay]

I doubt making skillcapes F2P would be more time consuming than a new crappy P2P quest. Seriously. It's like Troacctid said, what do you guys lose? NOTHING. In fact, I'm ready to assume that Jagex would dole out a number out updates for P2P ALONG with making skillcapes F2P.

 

They did that when they made the Party room F2P. They love sucking up to you guys. It's like you said, membership fees foot most of the bills over there. But I wouldn't go as far to say that their entirely dependent on you guys. Or that F2P is useless. It's like it's been said; F2P is a game on it's own. There are those that choose not to pay and those that want the expansion pack.

 

But I still don't think that small barrier should be the discerning factor for whether or not we can show off our 99 skills. Because that's all the skillcapes do. That's all they would do in F2P. I doubt we'd get the emoticon, I doubt we'd get the major stat boost, I doubt we'd get the trimmed option and I doubt we'd even get the hoods.

[Troacctid]

I doubt making skillcapes F2P would be more time consuming than a new crappy P2P quest. Seriously. It's like Troacctid said, what do you guys lose? NOTHING. In fact, I'm ready to assume that Jagex would dole out a number out updates for P2P ALONG with making skillcapes F2P.

 

They did that when they made the Party room F2P. They love sucking up to you guys. It's like you said, membership fees foot most of the bills over there. But I wouldn't go as far to say that their entirely dependent on you guys. Or that F2P is useless. It's like it's been said; F2P is a game on it's own. There are those that choose not to pay and those that want the expansion pack.

 

But I still don't think that small barrier should be the discerning factor for whether or not we can show off our 99 skills. Because that's all the skillcapes do. That's all they would do in F2P. I doubt we'd get the emoticon, I doubt we'd get the major stat boost, I doubt we'd get the trimmed option and I doubt we'd even get the hoods.

 

The emote is still just for showing off. It's rather harmless and could be given to f2p. The hood too. Taking away or reducing the combat stats of the skillcape is sensible, though. I would support reducing the stats to +2 to all defense (and +1 to prayer for trimmed) in free worlds if that's possible.

[Woozie]

I doubt making skillcapes F2P would be more time consuming than a new crappy P2P quest. Seriously. It's like Troacctid said, what do you guys lose? NOTHING. In fact, I'm ready to assume that Jagex would dole out a number out updates for P2P ALONG with making skillcapes F2P.

 

They did that when they made the Party room F2P. They love sucking up to you guys. It's like you said, membership fees foot most of the bills over there. But I wouldn't go as far to say that their entirely dependent on you guys. Or that F2P is useless. It's like it's been said; F2P is a game on it's own. There are those that choose not to pay and those that want the expansion pack.

 

But I still don't think that small barrier should be the discerning factor for whether or not we can show off our 99 skills. Because that's all the skillcapes do. That's all they would do in F2P. I doubt we'd get the emoticon, I doubt we'd get the major stat boost, I doubt we'd get the trimmed option and I doubt we'd even get the hoods.

 

 

 

I couldn't care less! I payed so they could update this game, they updated their game with skill capes. I payed for everything you don't.

 

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Not entirely dependant on P2P? Are you daft? Without us there would be no game at all since it would only be some random looser sitting home coding a game that would suck more than Bloons Tower Defence three. I'm sure it's not time consuming but you guys still payed for [cabbage] so I don't see how you are "entitled" to anything in this game at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is NO negative effect on your gameplay if skillcapes become f2p. NONE.

 

So leeching because your F2P is totally OK? I don't think leeching in any way in this world is supported so why on earth would I want JaGeX to support you guys?

[Troacctid]

 

There is NO negative effect on your gameplay if skillcapes become f2p. NONE.

 

So leeching because your F2P is totally OK? I don't think leeching in any way in this world is supported so why on earth would I want JaGeX to support you guys?

 

"Leeching"? Like I said, they're not going to follow you around and share the same cape that you're wearing! They would be able to buy their own cape after leveling their own skill until they have their own 13,034,431 experience in it. How are they "leeching"? That doesn't even mean anything! Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to play the game for free? Come on, be serious. :wall:

[Woozie]

 

There is NO negative effect on your gameplay if skillcapes become f2p. NONE.

 

So leeching because your F2P is totally OK? I don't think leeching in any way in this world is supported so why on earth would I want JaGeX to support you guys?

 

"Leeching"? Like I said, they're not going to follow you around and share the same cape that you're wearing! They would be able to buy their own cape after leveling their own skill until they have their own 13,034,431 experience in it. How are they "leeching"? That doesn't even mean anything! Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to play the game for free? Come on, be serious. :wall:

 

 

 

They can go ahead and play how much they want. However when they start demanding stuff they haven't even payed for I don't really see how they are "just playing the game for free". By leeching I mean they sure as hell doesn't pay the $5 a month, I do. Many others do. F2P doesn't. See a pattern?

[unkn0wnwarrior]

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

 

 

 

Never did anyone tell me such nonsense.

 

 

 

Do you think it is free to keep all those servers online, to have so many people work on developing the game, to maintain the whole?

 

That is the purpose of ads. They pay for the free version. I can't remember where or when, but somebody officially stated that F2P pays for itself with the ads.

 

 

 

They can go ahead and play how much they want. However when they start demanding stuff they haven't even payed for I don't really see how they are "just playing the game for free". By leeching I mean they sure as hell doesn't pay the $5 a month, I do. Many others do. F2P doesn't. See a pattern?

 

Everybody has the right to ask for anything they want (at least where I live). It is those being asked who are to determine if they should get it. In this case, it means we can ask for skill capes as much as we want (although we aren't meant to be in this thread) but unless Jagex decides to give them to us, we won't get them.

[Troacctid]

 

There is NO negative effect on your gameplay if skillcapes become f2p. NONE.

 

So leeching because your F2P is totally OK? I don't think leeching in any way in this world is supported so why on earth would I want JaGeX to support you guys?

 

"Leeching"? Like I said, they're not going to follow you around and share the same cape that you're wearing! They would be able to buy their own cape after leveling their own skill until they have their own 13,034,431 experience in it. How are they "leeching"? That doesn't even mean anything! Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to play the game for free? Come on, be serious. :wall:

 

 

 

They can go ahead and play how much they want. However when they start demanding stuff they haven't even payed for I don't really see how they are "just playing the game for free". By leeching I mean they sure as hell doesn't pay the $5 a month, I do. Many others do. F2P doesn't. See a pattern?

 

So f2p does not deserve anything it doesn't pay for. That's what I'm gathering from your post here.

 

 

 

Yeah, look, that's stupid, okay? The game is free, period. The free game is supported by ad revenue. And nobody is "demanding." Well, except you...you're demanding that they don't get it, and you haven't given any valid warrants to support your claim that they don't deserve it.

[Woozie]

So f2p does not deserve anything it doesn't pay for. That's what I'm gathering from your post here.

 

 

 

Yeah, look, that's stupid, okay? The game is free, period. The free game is supported by ad revenue. And nobody is "demanding." Well, except you...you're demanding that they don't get it, and you haven't given any valid warrants to support your claim that they don't deserve it.

 

 

 

Valid? They don't pay for the game?! :shock: I've seen several posts demanding to get skillcapes as F2P on RSOF. And the main thing here is, they give you a finger and you take the hand. Once they give you the skillcapes you'll never see the end of "GIVE F2P XXXXX" threads on the forums. Sure you don't do that, I'm sure you're actually a mature player that only thinks that skillcapes for F2P is a plus. Doesn't change the facts that there always a bunch of noobs/tards/whatever that demands more, more and more.

 

 

 

Oh and by the way. And read this carefully as it is the pure truth. The game is free to a certain EXTENT!

 

And yes, the ads pay for the games. Where exactly is the F2P player giving them their money to JaGeX?

 

 

 

Edit0r: can we stop doing quote towers? ;)

[Troacctid]

So f2p does not deserve anything it doesn't pay for. That's what I'm gathering from your post here.

 

 

 

Yeah, look, that's stupid, okay? The game is free, period. The free game is supported by ad revenue. And nobody is "demanding." Well, except you...you're demanding that they don't get it, and you haven't given any valid warrants to support your claim that they don't deserve it.

 

 

 

Valid? They don't pay for the game?! :shock: I've seen several posts demanding to get skillcapes as F2P on RSOF. And the main thing here is, they give you a finger and you take the hand. Once they give you the skillcapes you'll never see the end of "GIVE F2P XXXXX" threads on the forums. Sure you don't do that, I'm sure you're actually a mature player that only thinks that skillcapes for F2P is a plus. Doesn't change the facts that there always a bunch of noobs/tards/whatever that demands more, more and more.

 

 

 

Oh and by the way. And read this carefully as it is the pure truth. The game is free to a certain EXTENT!

 

And yes, the ads pay for the games. Where exactly is the F2P player giving them their money to JaGeX?

 

 

 

Edit0r: can we stop doing quote towers? ;)

 

You're saying IF we give any updates to f2p, THEN n00bs will ask for more, THEREFORE (because n00bs asking for more is bad), we should not give updates to f2p.

 

 

 

And you're wrong. Here's why. First, this reasoning should, if valid, apply to any update. But free players have recently gotten quite a lot of major updates in the past year. Duel Arena, more bank space, Fist of Guthix, the Runecrafting guild, PvP and Bounty Hunter worlds, the Stronghold of Security, the Stronghold of Player Safety, and the removal of members-only content teasers from f2p worlds are prominent examples. None of these have had negative effects on the community, and there's no reason to suspect that skillcapes would, either. Second, n00bs demanding updates are easily ignored. Jagex does it all the time. Nobody cares if people shout. Just because they ask for it doesn't mean they'll get it. And f2p n00bs can't even post on the official forums, so they can't spam it up even if they wanted to. Most of the spamming on the RSOF is done by members. I guarantee that if skillcapes become f2p, the forums will be filled not with free players demanding more, but with members howling bloody murder that their skillcapes are available to everybody. Third, extending this reasoning results in the conclusion that free players should receive no updates. This is contrary to Jagex's oft-stated position that f2p is not a demo but rather is a complete game on its own and will be treated as such.

 

 

 

Finally, you have still failed to explain any reason why this change would NOT be good. All you've given is spite: "They can't have it because they shouldn't have anything! They're leeches who don't deserve to play the game at all!" And I think the reason you can't come up with any is that there is nothing to come up with. There would be no negative effects.

[Woozie]

Finally, you have still failed to explain any reason why this change would NOT be good. All you've given is spite: "They can't have it because they shouldn't have anything! They're leeches who don't deserve to play the game at all!" And I think the reason you can't come up with any is that there is nothing to come up with. There would be no negative effects.

 

 

 

No, yet again you don't read what I say! They can play the game however much they want, whenever they want and do whatever they want ingame. I just don't see a reason why they should get skillcapes. I don't care of the negative ingame effects, the fact that you have not payed anything at all to get those updates is what I care about.

[Balazeal]

No, yet again you don't read what I say! They can play the game however much they want, whenever they want and do whatever they want ingame. I just don't see a reason why they should get skillcapes. I don't care of the negative ingame effects, the fact that you have not payed anything at all to get those updates is what I care about.

 

 

 

Don't care about negative effects? Don't see any reasons why F2P should receive skillcapes? How about this: You should realize that there are actually very few (pure) F2P players with 99's, this update would mostly be aimed towards ex-P2P players with 99 skills. The players who will benefit most from this update will hardly be 'leechers', they will, for the most part, be ex-P2P players who have gone F2P for whatever reason.