Should F2P get skill capes?

[Troacctid]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

[langer]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind them having the cape as long as it had no equipment stats.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind them having the cape as long as it had no equipment stats.

 

I would suggest slightly better than a normal cape, personally.

[hihihi727]

Way to go and ignore most of my post... lol

 

 

So just because its a computer game, all arguments on the other side are immediately declared void?

 

 

 

Playing a computer game is a freaking hobby. Practicing a musical instrument is also a hobby. Contradiction here?

 

 

 

A hobby is what you do in your spare time. You mean you do your work during your spare time? I honestly doubt so.

 

 

 

Practising a musical instrument requires skill, unlike playing Runescape. And to some people, it is work. They have to pass exams and if you want to excel you can't just play when you feel like it. And when did i say that i work during my spare time? Oh, and thanks for repeating what i said in my post.

Playing a computer game is a freaking hobby

(Lol. You seem to imply that i said that playing a computer game isn't a "freaking" hobby)

 

 

 

Your WHOLE freaking post implied that. Stop trying to feint ignorance. Or are your reading skills really so disgusting?

 

If my "WHOLE freaking post" implied that, why don't you go tell me how so? Maybe you're the one with "really disgusting reading skills". Why don't you back up your statements? Here, i'll even post my post again for you

 

 

 

Yeah.... and how many people want an achievement cape just for its stats? They maybe a obby cape in stats, but their requirements are very high. I mean, its pretty obvious that getting a skillcapes take a lot more time to get than an obby cape. New players won't sign up for a runescape account because skillcapes are f2p, and f2p players won't become members because they have skillcapes either. It would be a pointless update. Also, lots of people try to make it sound like skillcapes are something that they deserve. You do not have to "work" to get a skillcape, but in fact you just have to click a few pixels representing a rock or a tree many times. Only in Runescape can playing computer game earn you respect for having apparently worked hard. A skillcape is just another item. Not having skillcapes is not some kind of horrible punishment.

 

 

 

Forgive me for being so stupid but i don't see what made you "interpret" that i said the main point of getting a membership was for a cape. In fact, i'll post another one of my posts, which has the same ideas, but in more detail.

 

 

 

Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work)

 

 

 

Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect.

 

There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?)

 

 

 

There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost.

 

 

 

Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership

 

There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership

 

Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income

 

 

 

Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should:

 

There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!"

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!"

 

A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

 

 

 

Does it say anywhere that getting a skillcape is the main reason for becoming a member? Noooo i don't think so.

 

 

 

Tediousness is a part of difficulty. :roll:

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work. I said its similar to office jobs which are repetitive.

 

 

 

Oh, really? So your whole post only existed to say that skillcapes are repetitive? Yes, everyone knows that. I never even disagreed. So why did you even reply to my post if we seem to share similar views? I mean, honestly, i may have other points, but that specific post you replied to only existed to emphasise that playing Runescape is not hard work, so skillcapes are not an amazing achievement. If you agree with me wtf are you trying to say? I have the suspicion that you are changing your argument because you realised that you were wrong but didn't want to admit it. Other parts of my post you ignored altogether.

[hihihi727]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

How does agreeing that skill capes don't entice anyone to get membership support your argument...? o.O

[langer]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind them having the cape as long as it had no equipment stats.

 

I would suggest slightly better than a normal cape, personally.

 

 

 

Something like +5 to all def bonus would be reasonable. A lesser version of the legends cape. I'd agree with this.

[Troacctid]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

How does agreeing that skill capes don't entice anyone to get membership support your argument...? o.O

 

Well, some people have said that skillcapes should be members-only because it's part of the package you get when you pay the subscription fee, and giving them to f2p would in some way take away from p2p. I was addressing that sentiment.

[hihihi727]

Look, skillcapes should have been f2p in the first place. It's just not the sort of thing that has any real justification for being members-only at all. Like you said, skillcapes don't really entice anyone to get membership, and it's mostly only members who go for them anyway. Since free players can get to level 99, they might as well get the dumb cape for it, right?

 

 

 

How does agreeing that skill capes don't entice anyone to get membership support your argument...? o.O

 

Well, some people have said that skillcapes should be members-only because it's part of the package you get when you pay the subscription fee, and giving them to f2p would in some way take away from p2p. I was addressing that sentiment.

 

 

 

Yeah, you're right, but i thought you were talking to me...? :? I think you read my post wrong or something lol because i didn't say anything about that. Never mind.

[quelmotz]

Way to go and ignore most of my post... lol I'm not some no-life nerd who doesn't have other things to do other than posting on a forum.

 

 

So just because its a computer game, all arguments on the other side are immediately declared void?

 

 

 

Playing a computer game is a freaking hobby. Practicing a musical instrument is also a hobby. Contradiction here?

 

 

 

A hobby is what you do in your spare time. You mean you do your work during your spare time? I honestly doubt so.

 

 

 

Practising a musical instrument requires skill, unlike playing Runescape. And to some people, it is work. They have to pass exams and if you want to excel you can't just play when you feel like it. And when did i say that i work during my spare time? Oh, and thanks for repeating what i said in my post.

Playing a computer game is a freaking hobby

(Lol. You seem to imply that i said that playing a computer game isn't a "freaking" hobby) You did say that in an earlier post. :roll: Practicing a musical instrument is like practicing to score more goals in kickabout league. You didn't say anything about exams and stuff in the post.

 

 

 

Your WHOLE freaking post implied that. Stop trying to feint ignorance. Or are your reading skills really so disgusting?

 

If my "WHOLE freaking post" implied that, why don't you go tell me how so? Maybe you're the one with "really disgusting reading skills". Why don't you back up your statements? Here, i'll even post my post again for you You said f2p players won't become members if they have skillcapes either. So what you mean here is that they will become members if they don't have skillcapes? Whose reading skills are disgusting now?

 

 

 

Yeah.... and how many people want an achievement cape just for its stats? They maybe a obby cape in stats, but their requirements are very high. I mean, its pretty obvious that getting a skillcapes take a lot more time to get than an obby cape. New players won't sign up for a runescape account because skillcapes are f2p, and f2p players won't become members because they have skillcapes either. It would be a pointless update. Also, lots of people try to make it sound like skillcapes are something that they deserve. You do not have to "work" to get a skillcape, but in fact you just have to click a few pixels representing a rock or a tree many times. Only in Runescape can playing computer game earn you respect for having apparently worked hard. A skillcape is just another item. Not having skillcapes is not some kind of horrible punishment.

 

 

 

Forgive me for being so stupid but i don't see what made you "interpret" that i said the main point of getting a membership was for a cape. In fact, i'll post another one of my posts, which has the same ideas, but in more detail. I doubt you even read the post again.

 

 

 

Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work)

 

 

 

Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect.

 

There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?)

 

 

 

There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost.

 

 

 

Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership

 

There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership

 

Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income

 

 

 

Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should:

 

There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!"

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!"

 

A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

 

 

 

Does it say anywhere that getting a skillcape is the main reason for becoming a member? Noooo i don't think so.

 

 

 

Tediousness is a part of difficulty. :roll:

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work. I said its similar to office jobs which are repetitive.

 

 

 

Oh, really? So your whole post only existed to say that skillcapes are repetitive? Yes, everyone knows that. I never even disagreed. So why did you even reply to my post if we seem to share similar views? I mean, honestly, i may have other points, but that specific post you replied to only existed to emphasise that playing Runescape is not hard work, so skillcapes are not an amazing achievement. If you agree with me wtf are you trying to say? I have the suspicion that you are changing your argument because you realised that you were wrong but didn't want to admit it. Other parts of my post you ignored altogether. I don't agree with you on some points. :roll:

 

 

 

So what you're saying is skillcapes are tedious but not difficult, just because they are in a computer game. Which brings me back to my first argument. So how does something being in a computer game makes it less difficult? If its hard, its hard. Office jobs are tedious but difficult too.

 

[hihihi727]

I'm not some no-life nerd who doesn't have other things to do other than posting on a forum.

 

Lol? You're calling me a no-life nerd because apparently i post on a forum... or don't you see the irony in that? And i guess the fact that you having 3 times as much posts as me makes me a no life, but not you. No. The only reason you resorted to personal attacks is because you realised that you didn't have any argument to counter mine.

 

 

 

You did say that in an earlier post. :roll: Practicing a musical instrument is like practicing to score more goals in kickabout league. You didn't say anything about exams and stuff in the post.

 

 

 

Isn't it obvious? How else can you become a pro pianist or an awesome guitarist or if you don't practice a lot?

Practicing a musical instrument is like practicing to score more goals in kickabout league

Er yeah thats cool but how does that support your argument?

 

 

 

You said f2p players won't become members if they have skillcapes either. So what you mean here is that they will become members if they don't have skillcapes? Whose reading skills are disgusting now?

 

 

 

There's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, you are trying to make it sound like you weren't the person who first said that i had disgusting reading skills. Secondly, you ignored a large chunk of my post:

 

 

 

Yeah.... and how many people want an achievement cape just for its stats? They maybe a obby cape in stats, but their requirements are very high. I mean, its pretty obvious that getting a skillcapes take a lot more time to get than an obby cape. New players won't sign up for a runescape account because skillcapes are f2p, and f2p players won't become members because they have skillcapes either. It would be a pointless update. Also, lots of people try to make it sound like skillcapes are something that they deserve. You do not have to "work" to get a skillcape, but in fact you just have to click a few pixels representing a rock or a tree many times. Only in Runescape can playing computer game earn you respect for having apparently worked hard. A skillcape is just another item. Not having skillcapes is not some kind of horrible punishment.

 

 

 

Forgive me for being so stupid but i don't see what made you "interpret" that i said the main point of getting a membership was for a cape. In fact, i'll post another one of my posts, which has the same ideas, but in more detail. I doubt you even read the post again.

 

 

 

Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work)

 

 

 

Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect.

 

There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?)

 

 

 

There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost.

 

 

 

Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership

 

There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership

 

Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income

 

 

 

Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should:

 

There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!"

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!"

 

A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

 

 

 

Does it say anywhere that getting a skillcape is the main reason for becoming a member? Noooo i don't think so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thirdly- yes.

they will become members if they don't have skillcapes

I do think that. But i don't think that is the only reason f2pers get membership, which is what you are trying to prove.

 

 

 

I doubt you even read the post again.

 

 

 

Actually, i did, so can you give me a reason why you are right instead of accusing me of not reading your post without even responding to my argument in any way at all?

 

 

 

I don't agree with you on some points. :roll:

 

 

 

Read my post below. So basically, you are saying that you agree with me in the part where skillcapes aren't hard work, but the part you don't agree with me is the part where skillcapes aren't hard work. o.O

 

 

 

So what you're saying is skillcapes are tedious but not difficult, just because they are in a computer game. Which brings me back to my first argument. So how does something being in a computer game makes it less difficult? If its hard, its hard. Office jobs are tedious but difficult too.

 

 

 

So basically you're saying that getting a skillcapes are hard work, even though you said that it wasn't on your previous post? You clearly said in your previous post that you "never said that getting a skillcape was hard work" (which defeated the whole point of saying my post is wrong anyway, since you are agreeing to it). Now you try and say that yes, you do agree with me that getting a skillcape isn't hard work, but the part you disagree with is the part where you think that getting skillcapes is hard work. Contradiction much? Once again, you are changing your arguments because you realise that your old ones are wrong but you don't want to admit it.

 

 

 

So how does something being in a computer game makes it less difficult? If its hard, its hard

(Its hard)

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work.

(Its not hard)

 

(Yes, this is from the same person. If anyone wants it, i can give you tons of more examples where Quelmotz has contradicted himself)

[perfetc]

Maybe he means sitting there clicking a rock for x amount of hours per day to get a skill cape is hard cos it's about as exciting as watching paint dry.

 

 

 

In the context of how difficult it is, he means it is easy as watching paint dry cos all you are doing is clicking on a rock for hours on end and watching paint dry is just staring lol.

 

 

 

I hope that makes sense.

[quelmotz]

Maybe he means sitting there clicking a rock for x amount of hours per day to get a skill cape is hard cos it's about as exciting as watching paint dry.

 

 

 

In the context of how difficult it is, he means it is easy as watching paint dry cos all you are doing is clicking on a rock for hours on end and watching paint dry is just staring lol.

 

 

 

I hope that makes sense.

 

 

 

Yeah, that was kind of what I was trying to get at.

 

 

 

Its just that this stubborn fellow can't CHANGE his perspective a little. He looks at everything from HIS point of view while I look at things from my point of view. And two different points of view with neither party willing to change his = heated argument.

 

 

 

I'm not going to reply to your post because all you do is repeat the same things over and over again. All he says is "I contradict myself. I don't have reasonable arguments. Therefore I am an idiot."

 

 

 

Quote:

 

I'm not some no-life nerd who doesn't have other things to do other than posting on a forum.

 

 

 

Lol? You're calling me a no-life nerd because apparently i post on a forum... or don't you see the irony in that? And i guess the fact that you having 3 times as much posts as me makes me a no life, but not you. No. The only reason you resorted to personal attacks is because you realised that you didn't have any argument to counter mine.

 

 

 

Look. You can spend a day posting here. Other people don't have so much time. Your reading skills are really horrible. :roll:

 

 

 

 

Quote:

 

You did say that in an earlier post. :roll: Practicing a musical instrument is like practicing to score more goals in kickabout league. You didn't say anything about exams and stuff in the post.

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it obvious? How else can you become a pro pianist or an awesome guitarist or if you don't practice a lot?

 

 

 

WTF are you talking about? :roll: Talk about incoherent arguments.

 

 

 

Quote:

 

Practicing a musical instrument is like practicing to score more goals in kickabout league

 

Er yeah thats cool but how does that support your argument?

 

 

 

Its a HOBBY. You have to practice to do a hobby well too. You don't HAVE to practice, but if you want to do well, you have to.

 

 

 

Quote:

 

You said f2p players won't become members if they have skillcapes either. So what you mean here is that they will become members if they don't have skillcapes? Whose reading skills are disgusting now?

 

 

 

 

 

There's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, you are trying to make it sound like you weren't the person who first said that i had disgusting reading skills. Secondly, you ignored a large chunk of my post:

 

 

 

 

So I can't ignore posts? What right do you have to tell me that I have to reply to every post? If I don't reply to it, it means I acknowledge that it is true or it is too stupid or it is unrelated.

 

 

 

What about you ignoring my post totally? Talk about hypocrisy. All you said was I wasn't the first person to say that you had disgusting reading skills. Which isn't related at all.

 

And how does ignoring a large chunk of my post make this post incoherent and undeserving of an answer? Lets do some quoting eh?

 

Once again, you are changing your arguments because you realise that your old ones are wrong but you don't want to admit it.

 

 

 

I can give tons of examples where hihihi727 contradicted himself and made incoherent arguments.

 

 

 

Most of your other arguments are honestly a matter of perspective. I don't know what you're talking about really. :roll:

[hihihi727]

My argument is very simple, i'll even dumben it down for you:

 

"Skillcapes will not encourage much f2p players to get members, (look at my reply to Troact) so wouldn't it be better for f2p to get an update that at the same time gives Jagex more money through membership? Also, some people think that f2p deserves skillcapes because they are hard work. I don't think they are, because really all you are doing is playing a computer game, and after all, f2pers don't deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, do they?"

 

 

 

You have yet to tell me why i'm wrong, but you have merely nibbled at the edges of one sentence. Point out how i supposedly contradict myself, lol. Now, heres a condensed version of your argument:

 

 

 

"Getting skillcapes ARE hardwork!! (whilst ignoring the rest of my argument) And i'm not going to even reply to all of your post. This is not because i don't have an argument to counter it with, but because only NERDS with NO LIFE post of forums!! The fact that my post count is over triple of yours is irrelevant and the fact that i am conveying this message through posting on a forum is also irrevelant! And i NEVER said that skillcapes are hardwork, they are just repetitive!!!"

 

 

 

Its impossible to debate with you if you are not even going fully respond to my argument, or if you are contradicting yourself therefore making it unclear what side you are supposed to be in.

 

 

 

I can give tons of examples where hihihi727 contradicted himself and made incoherent arguments.

 

 

 

Most of your other arguments are honestly a matter of perspective. I don't know what you're talking about really.

 

Oh really? Enlighten me. :D Meanwhile...

 

 

 

[hide=]

So how does something being in a computer game makes it less difficult? If its hard, its hard

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work.

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[hide=]

don't criticize what you haven't tried

 

I've never played WoW, but from all the descriptions, it really seems like Maplestory with better but pointless graphics and some additional fluff.

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=784670

(Quelmotz is f2p and doesn't even have 70attack yet rants about the whip being OP)[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=]

I'm not some no-life nerd who doesn't have other things to do other than posting on a forum.

(I highly doubt that. Anyways, he is telling me this... by posting on a forum! Oh yeah, the fact that my post count is less than one third of yours makes me a complete no life^^)[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=]

Rubbish. What's your freaking IQ then? 300? 50000? I doubt your IQ is even 60

 

What I don't expect is idiots insulting my IQ.

[/hide]

[perfetc]

They play far longer than members do for no reward, I think that offsets the very worn out argument of they should pay if they want capes.

 

 

 

If that doesn't then how about instead of paying out of there own pockets, they are contributing towards the running of runescape by playing long enough to get a 99.

 

 

 

I have proven on this or another similer thread that f2p contibute about 7% of all income to JAGEX so out of 1 million, which is atleast what JAGEX earn per year, they contribute £70k.

 

 

 

Thats my argument and I am sticking to it :D

[quelmotz]

My argument is very simple, i'll even dumben it down for you:

 

"Skillcapes will not encourage much f2p players to get members, (look at my reply to Troact) so wouldn't it be better for f2p to get an update that at the same time gives Jagex more money through membership? Also, some people think that f2p deserves skillcapes because they are hard work. I don't think they are, because really all you are doing is playing a computer game, and after all, f2pers don't deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, do they?"

 

 

 

So what's that crap about me agreeing with you totally? You said f2p DOESN'T deserve skillcapes. I say they do. So?

 

 

 

 

"Getting skillcapes ARE hardwork!! (whilst ignoring the rest of my argument) And i'm not going to even reply to all of your post. This is not because i don't have an argument to counter it with, but because only NERDS with NO LIFE post of forums!! The fact that my post count is over triple of yours is irrelevant and the fact that i am conveying this message through posting on a forum is also irrevelant! And i NEVER said that skillcapes are hardwork, they are just repetitive!!!"

 

 

 

 

:roll: Honestly people who paraphrase others' faults while ignoring their own mistakes when they "dumben down" their arguments, i.e. you are the type that piss people off.

 

 

 

Post counts are irrelevant. Posting 1000 "bump" messages takes about as much time as posting say 25 well-thought out posts and stuff. And I signed up earlier than you.

 

 

 

Its impossible to debate with you if you are not even going fully respond to my argument, or if you are contradicting yourself therefore making it unclear what side you are supposed to be in.

 

 

 

Hypocrisy at its fullest. Its impossible to debate with YOU because you're not even fully responding to MY arguments.

 

 

 

 

 

Lets see: Unfortunately the whole chunk of posts in the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" have all been removed by a mod. Otherwise, I'll EASILY be able to give you examples of YOU contradicting yourself.

 

 

 

And how about going around the forum as if you have nothing to do but sneer at people and make irrelevant posts?

 

 

 

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This is NOT a debate, so stop replying to it or ask a mod to move it to the suggestions forum.

 

 

 

Seriously people need to learn to post threads in the correct forums. :roll:

 

 

 

So you want me to post a response to your thread in the correct forum? You made your suggestions in the debate thread.

 

 

 

What suggestions? :roll:

 

 

 

The weapons would be:

 

Dread Whip: Basically, the abysal whip for f2p. Maybe like a battleaxe stats at the speed of a whip. The spec would be a 7-10 second bind and teleblock.

 

Throwing something.... I'm thinking 3 bladed knife. Hits about 20,21 at 99 range and the spec would reduce the opponents armor significantly.

 

Staff of Sara: Able to cast a new spell (lightning probable)... hits up to 22.

 

 

 

:thumbsup: them ones.

 

 

 

Do you know what will happen now? He will call you an idiot, but otherwise ignore your post. Then he will try to make this thread die to "prevent flamewars". Thats what usually happens

 

 

 

Honestly [bleep] up. I was going to reply in a civilised manner when you suddenly turn up and spoil my mood. A whole lot of assumptions and [cabbage].

 

 

 

And get lost, will you? Stop coming and replying to my posts when you have nothing constructive to say.

 

 

 

Anyway, I wasn't clear what you were writing about, perfetc. Just take it as a misunderstanding, ok?

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[hihihi727]

So what's that crap about me agreeing with you totally? You said f2p DOESN'T deserve skillcapes. I say they do. So?

 

 

 

Er... what 'crap'? Well you see the thing is that this is the debate section of the forums, so you should probably say why your right. So could you actually say why my argument is wrong instead of just stating what side your on, that would be helpful. If you want i can repost it.

 

 

 

 

:roll: Honestly people who paraphrase others' faults while ignoring their own mistakes when they "dumben down" their arguments, i.e. you are the type that piss people off.

 

 

 

What mistakes? Rack your brains and tell me why i'm wrong, instead of insisting i am without saying why. Meanwhile, you can tell me how my description of your argument thus far is wrong, instead of flaming me but otherwise ignoring my post. I guess you agree with me then?

 

 

 

Post counts are irrelevant. Posting 1000 "bump" messages takes about as much time as posting say 25 well-thought out posts and stuff. And I signed up earlier than you.

 

 

 

Err if post counts are irrelevant why are you insulting people for posting a lot? And does that mean you are agreeing that my posts were well thought out while your ones were merely cleverly disguised bumps? I guess that automatically makes any argument you had useless....?

 

 

 

Hypocrisy at its fullest. Its impossible to debate with YOU because you're not even fully responding to MY arguments.

 

What argument? I have already posted what i think is your argument, which clearly contradicts itself. Since you have yet to tell me how my description of it is inaccurate, i can hardly debate if i'm not even sure what side your supposed to be in, can I? Also, while i have clearly told you how you have not fully responded to my arguments, you haven't told me how i haven't responded to yours. Its really easy to say something without backing it up, right?

 

 

 

 

Lets see: Unfortunately the whole chunk of posts in the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" have all been removed by a mod. Otherwise, I'll EASILY be able to give you examples of YOU contradicting yourself.

 

 

 

Yeah.... sure, that sounds really convenient

 

 

 

And how about going around the forum as if you have nothing to do but sneer at people and make irrelevant posts?

 

 

 

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This is NOT a debate, so stop replying to it or ask a mod to move it to the suggestions forum.

 

 

 

Seriously people need to learn to post threads in the correct forums. :roll:

 

 

 

So you want me to post a response to your thread in the correct forum? You made your suggestions in the debate thread.

 

 

 

What suggestions? :roll:

 

 

 

The weapons would be:

 

Dread Whip: Basically, the abysal whip for f2p. Maybe like a battleaxe stats at the speed of a whip. The spec would be a 7-10 second bind and teleblock.

 

Throwing something.... I'm thinking 3 bladed knife. Hits about 20,21 at 99 range and the spec would reduce the opponents armor significantly.

 

Staff of Sara: Able to cast a new spell (lightning probable)... hits up to 22.

 

 

 

:thumbsup: them ones.

 

 

 

Do you know what will happen now? He will call you an idiot, but otherwise ignore your post. Then he will try to make this thread die to "prevent flamewars". Thats what usually happens

 

 

 

Honestly [bleep] up. I was going to reply in a civilised manner when you suddenly turn up and spoil my mood. A whole lot of assumptions and [cabbage].

 

 

 

And get lost, will you? Stop coming and replying to my posts when you have nothing constructive to say.

 

 

 

Anyway, I wasn't clear what you were writing about, perfetc. Just take it as a misunderstanding, ok?

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And what does that have to do with anything? Its hardly a contradiction, lol? Thus far, i haven't seen "tons" of evidence about me contradicting myself, and i haven't seen you give an explanation for yours either.

[hihihi727]

I think this topic is getting a bit off topic. So i will summarise why i don't think f2p deserves skillcapes.

 

 

 

I don't mind f2p getting updates, i would love it if they had more fun stuff like boss monsters and ect. so that more of my friends would play. BUT, i think that skillcapes won't encourage more people to join or for people to sign up for p2p, but the opposite, if anything. This is why i think this;

 

 

 

Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work)

 

 

 

Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect.

 

There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?)

 

 

 

There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost.

 

 

 

Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership

 

There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership

 

Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income

 

 

 

Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should:

 

There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!"

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!"

 

A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

 

 

 

 

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY. The fact that the most simple of bots can get multiple 99's should tell you enough. Is getting a skillcape "hard work"? Well no, i don't think so. What makes skillcapes so different from any other item in Runescape? Nothing. They are repetitive, yes, but is it hard? No, its a game, which exists purely to give you enjoyment, therefore you can hardly say that playing it was hard work. Maybe some people can't play because they have REAL work to do. We stereotype people with multiple 99's as ultra cool smart people that are amazingly hard and dedicated workers, when in fact, outside of Runescape they are probably broke people that are too lazy to get a job or something. (i know that not ALL people are like this) Do f2pers deserve Godswords? Do they deserve dragon claws? Do they deserve the whole world (in runescape) simply because its "harder" to get to because their teleports are limited?

[quelmotz]

So what's that crap about me agreeing with you totally? You said f2p DOESN'T deserve skillcapes. I say they do. So?

 

 

 

Er... what 'crap'? Well you see the thing is that this is the debate section of the forums, so you should probably say why your right. So could you actually say why my argument is wrong instead of just stating what side your on, that would be helpful. If you want i can repost it.

 

 

 

Lets see, you saying skillcapes are going to draw people to join members in one post and then after people see your mistake you defend yourself by feinting ignorance.

 

 

 

 

:roll: Honestly people who paraphrase others' faults while ignoring their own mistakes when they "dumben down" their arguments, i.e. you are the type that piss people off.

 

 

 

What mistakes? Rack your brains and tell me why i'm wrong, instead of insisting i am without saying why. Meanwhile, you can tell me how my description of your argument thus far is wrong, instead of flaming me but otherwise ignoring my post. I guess you agree with me then?

 

 

 

Hmm...see above.

 

 

 

Post counts are irrelevant. Posting 1000 "bump" messages takes about as much time as posting say 25 well-thought out posts and stuff. And I signed up earlier than you.

 

 

 

Err if post counts are irrelevant why are you insulting people for posting a lot? And does that mean you are agreeing that my posts were well thought out while your ones were merely cleverly disguised bumps? I guess that automatically makes any argument you had useless....? I never insulted you for posting a lot - I said you spend too much time on a stupid online forum.

 

 

 

Hypocrisy at its fullest. Its impossible to debate with YOU because you're not even fully responding to MY arguments.

 

What argument? I have already posted what i think is your argument, which clearly contradicts itself. Since you have yet to tell me how my description of it is inaccurate, i can hardly debate if i'm not even sure what side your supposed to be in, can I? Also, while i have clearly told you how you have not fully responded to my arguments, you haven't told me how i haven't responded to yours. Its really easy to say something without backing it up, right?

 

 

 

You haven't fully responded to my arguments, so why should I respond to your half-baked crap?

 

 

 

hihihi727 wrote:

 

Quote:

 

You said f2p players won't become members if they have skillcapes either. So what you mean here is that they will become members if they don't have skillcapes? Whose reading skills are disgusting now?

 

 

 

 

 

There's so many things wrong with this post. First of all, you are trying to make it sound like you weren't the person who first said that i had disgusting reading skills. Secondly, you ignored a large chunk of my post:

 

 

 

 

 

So I can't ignore posts? What right do you have to tell me that I have to reply to every post? If I don't reply to it, it means I acknowledge that it is true or it is too stupid or it is unrelated.

 

 

 

What about you ignoring my post totally? Talk about hypocrisy. All you said was I wasn't the first person to say that you had disgusting reading skills. Which isn't related at all.

 

And how does ignoring a large chunk of my post make this post incoherent and undeserving of an answer? Lets do some quoting eh?

 

 

 

There are plenty of other posts you haven't replied to. Just go and look.

 

 

 

 

Lets see: Unfortunately the whole chunk of posts in the thread "f2p mage and range underpowered" have all been removed by a mod. Otherwise, I'll EASILY be able to give you examples of YOU contradicting yourself.

 

 

 

Yeah.... sure, that sounds really convenient Oh sure, just because you've already been found out but refuse to admit it, you turn around and say its "very convenient"? Hmm.

 

 

 

And how about going around the forum as if you have nothing to do but sneer at people and make irrelevant posts?

 

 

 

And what does that have to do with anything? Its hardly a contradiction, lol? Thus far, i haven't seen "tons" of evidence about me contradicting myself, and i haven't seen you give an explanation for yours either.

Just because you were lucky and all the posts in "f2p mage and range underpowered" were deleted.

 

 

 

It wasn't a contradiction. I never said it was. It was an example of your arrogance and irritating nature.

 

 

 

[quelmotz]

I think this topic is getting a bit off topic. So i will summarise why i don't think f2p deserves skillcapes.

 

 

 

I don't mind f2p getting updates, i would love it if they had more fun stuff like boss monsters and ect. so that more of my friends would play. BUT, i think that skillcapes won't encourage more people to join or for people to sign up for p2p, but the opposite, if anything. This is why i think this;

 

 

 

Skillcapes are too much of a high leveled update. NO other item or quest requirement even comes close to getting a 99. I think the next highest is the inferno adze which requires level92 firemaking, which is only halfway to 99, and this is in arguably one of the fastest skills in the game. A 99 in a skill in f2p would take several hours to earn. (BTW, don't confuse this with hard work)

 

 

 

Scenario1: Level 60 who has finished all the free quests ect.

 

There are no skillcapes, but there has been some other update- like a new boss. He fights the boss, and then realises that its really fun and after a week he gets members so he can fight more. (Well, he isn't going to kill that same boss over and over again for several months, is he?)

 

 

 

There are skillcapes. He decides that he wants a strength cape because they look l337. Several months later, he gets one. It looks cool, but he decides that it would be even cooler if it was trimmed. He tries to get 99cooking but after a month he finally decides that he wants members instead. Thats a few months of membership that Jagex lost.

 

 

 

Scenario2: A competitive f2p player who is always at the top of the f2p high scores/someone who can't afford to pay for membership

 

There are skillcapes. He gets an extra item and is happy

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes. He stays f2p because his achievements are more impressive that way/he can't pay for membership

 

Either way Jagex does not get any money from membership, by far their main source of income

 

 

 

Scenario3: A person wondering whether he should start playing Runescape. His friends tries to convince him that he should:

 

There are skillcapes. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that if you spend several months clicking rocks you get a free cape!?!!"

 

 

 

There are no skillcapes, but instead Jagex adds a new mini game to f2p. "OMG Runescape is so awesome you should play it did you know that you can play castle wars!?!!"

 

A new player would be more enticed by something fun, rather than by an item they won't get for months, probably years.

 

 

 

 

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY. The fact that the most simple of bots can get multiple 99's should tell you enough. Is getting a skillcape "hard work"? Well no, i don't think so. What makes skillcapes so different from any other item in Runescape? Nothing. They are repetitive, yes, but is it hard? No, its a game, which exists purely to give you enjoyment, therefore you can hardly say that playing it was hard work. Maybe some people can't play because they have REAL work to do. We stereotype people with multiple 99's as ultra cool smart people that are amazingly hard and dedicated workers, when in fact, outside of Runescape they are probably broke people that are too lazy to get a job or something. (i know that not ALL people are like this) Do f2pers deserve Godswords? Do they deserve dragon claws? Do they deserve the whole world (in runescape) simply because its "harder" to get to because their teleports are limited?

 

 

 

Good that you realise you've been going off topic.

 

 

 

What you said is just a matter of opinion. Whether someone deserves something or not is entirely based on opinion. I think f2p deserves skillcapes, because they work much harder than members for it. We should reward hard work.

 

 

 

So your definition is anything that is enjoyable cannot qualify as hard work? How does grinding away at skills qualify as an enjoyable experience? Hardly.

 

 

 

1. Tedious.

 

2. Boring.

 

 

 

Doesn't that qualify as hard work?

 

 

 

Your argument is "Just because its a game - anything about "hard work" has to be immediately declared null and void?" What rubbish. Games are for enjoyment, true, but not all aspects of the game are enjoyable. Its how you choose to play it. Its never enjoyable to repeat a boring action over and over again. This isn't what games are for, but players choose to do it, so it can qualify as hard work.

[Troacctid]

Skillcapes will not encourage much f2p players to get members, (look at my reply to Troact) so wouldn't it be better for f2p to get an update that at the same time gives Jagex more money through membership?

 

I think this idea misses the point of updates. Runescape isn't about corporate money-grubbing; it's about making a great game. The thought that the free game is supposed to be a demo for the members' game is misguided. There's a reason that things like member NPCs, summoning obelisks, agility shortcuts, and other members-only content aren't even clickable in free worlds. The free game is meant to be complete on its own.

 

 

 

This is an important premise, because the same hole that skillcapes filled when they were originally added to the game--as a way to show off the game's most extreme achievement that would previously have been totally unacknowledged--still exists in the free game. As I said before, they should have been f2p from the very start. It's not too late to remedy that error.

 

 

 

Another important premise is that small fixes are worth doing. If Jagex wants Runescape to be around for the long haul, it's not enough to churn out new content at the expense of the old. That's the whole point behind the "upgrade year" that they're doing. Small fixes add up to create a better overall game experience. And that's what making skillcapes f2p would ultimately be: a small fix. How high a priority it ought to be is obviously debatable, since after all, a lot of small, simple fixes put together as a whole can end up taking up quite a bit of developers' time...but there's really no question that when it happens (and I do think it will happen), it will be an improvement.

[hihihi727]

Lets see, you saying skillcapes are going to draw people to join members in one post and then after people see your mistake you defend yourself by feinting ignorance.

 

 

 

When did i say that? If you actually read my post, i said that skillcapes arent the only reason f2pers become p2p. I also never said that skillcapes draw people to becoming members- i said that skillcapes becoming f2p won't draw people to become members, making it a pointless update. Take your own advice and learn to read.... especially when i have had to repeat this multiple times

 

 

 

Hmm...see above.

 

Thats right, see above

 

 

 

I never insulted you for posting a lot - I said you spend too much time on a stupid online forum.

 

You insulted me for "posting all day". If you think about it, spending too much time on a "stupid online forum", of which you have 3 times as much posts as me is the same thing. So, have you admitted that you admitted are merely cleverly disguised bumps yet?

 

 

 

You haven't fully responded to my arguments, so why should I respond to your half-baked crap?

 

 

Actually, you are responding to my "half-baked" crap atm, the only thing is is that you are ignoring most of it because you know you can't answer.

 

 

 

It wasn't a contradiction. I never said it was. It was an example of your arrogance and irritating nature.

 

 

 

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument;

 

 

 

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but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions. (From the section "Ad hominem abuse" from the wikipedia article "Ad hominem"

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I would say thats what you are doing now

[hihihi727]

Good that you realise you've been going off topic.

 

 

 

What you said is just a matter of opinion. Whether someone deserves something or not is entirely based on opinion. I think f2p deserves skillcapes, because they work much harder than members for it. We should reward hard work.

 

 

 

So your definition is anything that is enjoyable cannot qualify as hard work? How does grinding away at skills qualify as an enjoyable experience? Hardly.

 

 

 

1. Tedious.

 

2. Boring.

 

 

 

Doesn't that qualify as hard work?

 

 

 

Your argument is "Just because its a game - anything about "hard work" has to be immediately declared null and void?" What rubbish. Games are for enjoyment, true, but not all aspects of the game are enjoyable. Its how you choose to play it. Its never enjoyable to repeat a boring action over and over again. This isn't what games are for, but players choose to do it, so it can qualify as hard work.

 

 

 

I'm going off topic because you're not responding too my whole argument but just one part of it; as a result, i have to tell you why i think i'm right in only that section, while you only respond to a small part of that. Once again, you are ignoring my argument, and you are only talking to the bit about hard work. Its curious that you say that it is all a matter of opinion, making me wrong, yet you tell me why i'm wrong in a debate that is supposed to be a matter of opinion. Do you think that skillcapes are special? Do you think that they are any different to any other item in the game? And what aboutthe "hard" in "hard work"?

 

 

 

And please, you make NO sense at all, i can't even decide what side you are on:

 

 

 

This isn't what games are for, but players choose to do it, so it can qualify as hard work.

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work.

 

 

 

Stop being a hypocrite, i can't debate with you if your arguments are going to change every 3 seconds

[perfetc]

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

You have to have a fit wrist :lol:

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :)

 

 

 

You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement.

 

 

 

Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration.

 

 

 

The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill?

 

 

 

Without using they don't pay argument :lol:

 

 

 

About your Scenario quotes

 

 

 

1) He might just quit or kill that same boss monster for several months, the last 3 levels of prayer in f2p take over 2 million clicks so if some body has that kind of focus I am sure killing a monster for several months is fine.

 

 

 

2) JAGEX will never miss the money from a few months membership.

 

 

 

3) Good :

 

 

 

4) An extra few f2pers don't become members, so what? JAGEX won't miss there money.

 

 

 

5 and 6) could be bundled together in 1 update then every body is happy

 

 

 

In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

[ibxtoycat]

i just realised a small flaw in skillcapes for f2p.

 

 

 

As you said, members have it easier to get the capes, so a member would have advantages on a F2P world because he got the cape a lot easier, i mean the only "easy" f2p 99 is cooking, so trimmining it would be hard (unless you can stand firemaking) vs members fletching, theiving and cooking (and herblore/construction)

 

 

 

just my thoughts. :)

[howbadisbad]

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

You have to have a fit wrist :lol:

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :)

 

 

 

You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement.

 

 

 

Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration.

 

 

 

The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill?

 

 

 

Without using they don't pay argument :lol:

 

 

 

About your Scenario quotes

 

 

 

1) He might just quit or kill that same boss monster for several months, the last 3 levels of prayer in f2p take over 2 million clicks so if some body has that kind of focus I am sure killing a monster for several months is fine.

 

 

 

2) JAGEX will never miss the money from a few months membership.

 

 

 

3) Good :

 

 

 

4) An extra few f2pers don't become members, so what? JAGEX won't miss there money.

 

 

 

5 and 6) could be bundled together in 1 update then every body is happy

 

 

 

In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

 

 

 

I would guess it makes more subscriptions to serious players who want to show off their 99's

 

 

 

Plus, some skillcapes are obtained in member zones :twss: