Should F2P get skill capes?

[perfetc]

i just realised a small flaw in skillcapes for f2p.

 

 

 

As you said, members have it easier to get the capes, so a member would have advantages on a F2P world because he got the cape a lot easier, i mean the only "easy" f2p 99 is cooking, so trimmining it would be hard (unless you can stand firemaking) vs members fletching, theiving and cooking (and herblore/construction)

 

 

 

just my thoughts. :)

 

 

 

so how would he have an advantage?

 

 

 

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

You have to have a fit wrist :lol:

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :)

 

 

 

You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement.

 

 

 

Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration.

 

 

 

The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill?

 

 

 

Without using they don't pay argument :lol:

 

 

 

About your Scenario quotes

 

 

 

1) He might just quit or kill that same boss monster for several months, the last 3 levels of prayer in f2p take over 2 million clicks so if some body has that kind of focus I am sure killing a monster for several months is fine.

 

 

 

2) JAGEX will never miss the money from a few months membership.

 

 

 

3) Good :

 

 

 

4) An extra few f2pers don't become members, so what? JAGEX won't miss there money.

 

 

 

5 and 6) could be bundled together in 1 update then every body is happy

 

 

 

In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

 

 

 

I would guess it makes more subscriptions to serious players who want to show off their 99's

 

 

 

Plus, some skillcapes are obtained in member zones :twss:

 

 

 

Make new people, it isn't that hard, JAGEX do it all the time.

[ibxtoycat]

skillcapes would be easier to obtaion for members

[perfetc]

skillcapes would be easier to obtaion for members

 

 

 

And ....

[howbadisbad]

U MUST PAY FOR THEM!

 

 

 

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

 

 

(yea im so gona get flamed :twss:)

[Troacctid]

skillcapes would be easier to obtaion for members

 

 

 

And ....

 

What ibxtoycat is saying is that members with skillcapes could go into free worlds and have an advantage in pvp.

[perfetc]

skillcapes would be easier to obtaion for members

 

 

 

And ....

 

What ibxtoycat is saying is that members with skillcapes could go into free worlds and have an advantage in pvp.

 

 

 

Oh, ok. Thanks.

 

 

 

Yeah they will but it isn't a massive advantage.

[hihihi727]

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

OMG I JUST DELETED MY WHOLE POST I WILL POST AGAIN ONE SECOND

 

 

 

kk i retyped it see below

[hihihi727]

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

You have to have a fit wrist :lol:

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :)

 

 

 

You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement.

 

 

 

Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration.

 

 

 

The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill?

 

 

 

Without using they don't pay argument :lol:

 

In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

 

 

 

How are skillcapes different to any other item in the game? Do f2pers deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, and that they would be the "best sword in the game" (according to you, f2pers apparently deserve skillcapes because they are the best cape by far) People say that getting a 99 is horrible, but why would they do it unless it was at least a little fun, which is the point of playing a computer game? Why torture yourself month after month to get a few pixels when you could be doing something constructive, and get the same sense of self satisfaction? All you need to get a skillcape is time, and people with high skills only really get that way because they have more free time than others. If i spent all day killing ants, would it show i'm a dedicated worker or that i have too much time on my hands?

 

 

 

f2pers already can show that they have a 99 in a skill through the highscores. The cape is just another item. Why not make dragon axes f2p so they can show off that they have 61 woodcutting? Why not make Godswords f2p so they can show off that they have lots of money? That and the fact that Jagex would lose money, see my "scenarios".

 

 

 

On the topic of scenarios, i'm not really sure what your arguments are directed at, as i only have 3 scenarios but you are talking about 6. o.O. Maybe try quoting me and writing your argument underneat it, it would be easier for me to see^^

[Troacctid]

How are skillcapes different to any other item in the game? Do f2pers deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, and that they would be the "best sword in the game" (according to you, f2pers apparently deserve skillcapes because they are the best cape by far) People say that getting a 99 is horrible, but why would they do it unless it was at least a little fun, which is the point of playing a computer game? Why torture yourself month after month to get a few pixels when you could be doing something constructive, and get the same sense of self satisfaction? All you need to get a skillcape is time, and people with high skills only really get that way because they have more free time than others. If i spent all day killing ants, would it show i'm a dedicated worker or that i have too much time on my hands?

 

 

 

f2pers already can show that they have a 99 in a skill through the highscores. The cape is just another item. Why not make dragon axes f2p so they can show off that they have 61 woodcutting? Why not make Godswords f2p so they can show off that they have lots of money? That and the fact that Jagex would lose money, see my "scenarios".

 

Um, are you serious? The whole point behind the release of skillcapes was that there was no recognition, or even acknowledgement, in the game for the significant achievement of reaching level 99 in a skill, something that should have some recognition. Achievements like having lots of money already have recognition. Duh. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to get 99. It only matters that you can get 99, and that without a skillcape, it doesn't really mean anything.

 

 

 

If there was a need for skillcapes in p2p that was enough to prompt their original release, that same need is just as strong in f2p.

[quelmotz]

Lets see, you saying skillcapes are going to draw people to join members in one post and then after people see your mistake you defend yourself by feinting ignorance.

 

 

 

When did i say that? If you actually read my post, i said that skillcapes arent the only reason f2pers become p2p. I also never said that skillcapes draw people to becoming members- i said that skillcapes becoming f2p won't draw people to become members, making it a pointless update. Take your own advice and learn to read.... especially when i have had to repeat this multiple times

 

 

 

Hmm...see above.

 

Thats right, see above

 

 

 

I never insulted you for posting a lot - I said you spend too much time on a stupid online forum.

 

You insulted me for "posting all day". If you think about it, spending too much time on a "stupid online forum", of which you have 3 times as much posts as me is the same thing. So, have you admitted that you admitted are merely cleverly disguised bumps yet?

 

 

 

You haven't fully responded to my arguments, so why should I respond to your half-baked crap?

 

 

Actually, you are responding to my "half-baked" crap atm, the only thing is is that you are ignoring most of it because you know you can't answer.

 

 

 

It wasn't a contradiction. I never said it was. It was an example of your arrogance and irritating nature.

 

 

 

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the argument;

 

 

 

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I would say thats what you are doing now

 

 

 

Who was the one who said to stop all these off-topic posts?

 

 

 

Talk about hypocrisy.

 

 

 

Good that you realise you've been going off topic.

 

 

 

What you said is just a matter of opinion. Whether someone deserves something or not is entirely based on opinion. I think f2p deserves skillcapes, because they work much harder than members for it. We should reward hard work.

 

 

 

So your definition is anything that is enjoyable cannot qualify as hard work? How does grinding away at skills qualify as an enjoyable experience? Hardly.

 

 

 

1. Tedious.

 

2. Boring.

 

 

 

Doesn't that qualify as hard work?

 

 

 

Your argument is "Just because its a game - anything about "hard work" has to be immediately declared null and void?" What rubbish. Games are for enjoyment, true, but not all aspects of the game are enjoyable. Its how you choose to play it. Its never enjoyable to repeat a boring action over and over again. This isn't what games are for, but players choose to do it, so it can qualify as hard work.

 

 

 

I'm going off topic because you're not responding too my whole argument but just one part of it; as a result, i have to tell you why i think i'm right in only that section, while you only respond to a small part of that. Once again, you are ignoring my argument, and you are only talking to the bit about hard work. Its curious that you say that it is all a matter of opinion, making me wrong, yet you tell me why i'm wrong in a debate that is supposed to be a matter of opinion. Do you think that skillcapes are special? Do you think that they are any different to any other item in the game? And what aboutthe "hard" in "hard work"?

 

 

 

And please, you make NO sense at all, i can't even decide what side you are on:

 

 

 

This isn't what games are for, but players choose to do it, so it can qualify as hard work.

 

I never said getting skillcapes qualifies as hard work.

 

 

 

Stop being a hypocrite, i can't debate with you if your arguments are going to change every 3 seconds

 

 

 

Great job at ignoring my arguments and pretending that you can't read them just because you have no idea how to reply to them.

 

 

 

Can't you just [bleep] up and stop bringing that stupid quote in? Just reply to the matter at hand, and stop avoiding it.

 

 

 

Its impossible to debate with YOU because you're continuously avoiding the present matter and keep bringing in other unrelated stuff. Just reply and stop avoiding the arguments by pretending you can't read.

 

 

 

Saying you're wrong is opinion. A question in a test can easily be based on the marker's opinion whether it is right or wrong. Honestly, I'm starting to question your cognitive capability.

 

 

 

So skillcapes aren't that "special"? 13 Million xp - a few hundred hours of slogging away at something? Not special? My foot. You'll probably say "It's just a game, shut up. I don't care. Because its a game, all arguments that it's hard work are immediately declared null and void." as you've said a lot of times already. This is opinion. Just because something is in a game, doesn't mean its "not hard work" in my opinion.

[perfetc]

In addition, some people think that f2ps deserve skillcapes because they are a big achievment. After all, it is true they are called achievement capes. But are they really an achievement? Do you need to be fit or smart? NO WAY.

 

 

 

You have to have a fit wrist :lol:

 

 

 

Seriously though, I think instead of this mini debate of who is missing what parts of whose arguments, it would be easier to do it this way. :)

 

 

 

You don't think 99 in f2p is a big achievement? I think 99 in members is a big achievement.

 

 

 

Your right that you don't need to be smart or fit but you need patience and concentration.

 

 

 

The capes are there to show that you have achieved a 99 in such a skill, why can't f2p show thay have a 99 in a certain skill?

 

 

 

Without using they don't pay argument :lol:

 

In members the stats on the cape are third best in game, trimmed is second best so it isn't like there getting the best members item in the cape spot but in f2p those stats would be incredible, it would be the best cape by far, which is what slaving away till 99 in f2p should be about.

 

 

 

How are skillcapes different to any other item in the game? Do f2pers deserve godswords simply because they take longer to get, and that they would be the "best sword in the game" (according to you, f2pers apparently deserve skillcapes because they are the best cape by far) People say that getting a 99 is horrible, but why would they do it unless it was at least a little fun, which is the point of playing a computer game? Why torture yourself month after month to get a few pixels when you could be doing something constructive, and get the same sense of self satisfaction? All you need to get a skillcape is time, and people with high skills only really get that way because they have more free time than others. If i spent all day killing ants, would it show i'm a dedicated worker or that i have too much time on my hands?

 

 

 

f2pers already can show that they have a 99 in a skill through the highscores. The cape is just another item. Why not make dragon axes f2p so they can show off that they have 61 woodcutting? Why not make Godswords f2p so they can show off that they have lots of money? That and the fact that Jagex would lose money, see my "scenarios".

 

 

 

On the topic of scenarios, i'm not really sure what your arguments are directed at, as i only have 3 scenarios but you are talking about 6. o.O. Maybe try quoting me and writing your argument underneat it, it would be easier for me to see^^

 

 

 

In members skill capes are 3rd best with obby cape and trimmed cape is second best.

 

 

 

You can't compare godsword to a cape, a godsword is a massivly powerful 2 hander and a skill cape is not even the best cape in the game. Dispite this they shouldn't get it cos it is easy, they shouldn't get them cos you don't get them for doing anything special like training for ages on a skill to get it to 99.

 

 

 

They could do something else but they choose not to, the same way you choose to play runescape.

 

 

 

That means members shouldn't have skill capes, they can show them off on high scores aswell.

 

 

 

I think your getting confused as to what a skill/achievement cape is, you get it for getting 99, spending time getting it NOT for reaching an easy level such as 61 for a dragon hatchet. There is a MASSIVE difference in 61 and 99, obviously.

 

 

 

I have answered your scenarios. There easy to understand, there are 6 paragraphs. :

[langer]

I'm still not convinced that F2P should get skill capes with the full equipment bonus that we have now on P2P. Anything equal or over legends cape would undermine that quest achievement in my opinion.

 

 

 

@ ibxtoycat

 

 

 

Members already have many advantages over F2Pers, why would it shock you that in this particular case, they still have better training methods?

[Weiyao]

I'm still not convinced that F2P should get skill capes with the full equipment bonus that we have now on P2P. Anything equal or over legends cape would undermine that quest achievement in my opinion.

 

 

 

@ ibxtoycat

 

 

 

Members already have many advantages over F2Pers, why would it shock you that in this particular case, they still have better training methods?

 

I'm not sure the equipment bonus is needed if it were to become F2P. It's purpose is to show off your achivement: getting 99 in a skill.

[langer]

I'm still not convinced that F2P should get skill capes with the full equipment bonus that we have now on P2P. Anything equal or over legends cape would undermine that quest achievement in my opinion.

 

 

 

@ ibxtoycat

 

 

 

Members already have many advantages over F2Pers, why would it shock you that in this particular case, they still have better training methods?

 

 

 

I'm not sure the equipment bonus is needed if it were to become F2P. It's purpose is to show off your achivement: getting 99 in a skill.

 

 

 

I agree on that except it should have at the very least the basic cape stats ( +1, +2 I think).

[perfetc]

Other wise it isn't really worth it, some f2p might want the cape so they can have the best cape in f2p.

 

 

 

+1 or 2 isn't worth the effort, obby cape stats are bearly worth it.

 

 

 

That is the main reason I am not going for a 99 ... I have an obby cape so why waste all my time getting another obby cape that looks a little different and with 2 extra tiny bonuses? So when I do get it I can waste more time and get another 99 so I can have +4 prayer aswell?

[Championfurydelta123]

Yes cause they deserve it more even if we are paying 5$ a month cause its harder to earn a 99 in F2P and we already have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much bonus content that they dont

[langer]

Yes cause they deserve it more even if we are paying 5$ a month cause its harder to earn a 99 in F2P and we already have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much bonus content that they dont

 

 

 

It's not harder.... but it's definitely less efficient. Like countless others have said, if I get 99 cooking with shrimps all the way, do I deserve a cape more than someone who cooked sharks? We obviously have more content because we are willing to pay for more.

[perfetc]

Yes cause they deserve it more even if we are paying 5$ a month cause its harder to earn a 99 in F2P and we already have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much bonus content that they dont

 

 

 

It's not harder.... but it's definitely less efficient. Like countless others have said, if I get 99 cooking with shrimps all the way, do I deserve a cape more than someone who cooked sharks? We obviously have more content because we are willing to pay for more.

 

 

 

You could argue it is harder.

 

 

 

You have to focus longer and it is hard to focus for long periods of tedium.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

That is the main reason I am not going for a 99 ... I have an obby cape so why waste all my time getting another obby cape that looks a little different and with 2 extra tiny bonuses? So when I do get it I can waste more time and get another 99 so I can have +4 prayer aswell?

 

The only reason I'm not going for a 99 yet is that I'm not ready to. Too many F2P skills lag behind. Well behind.

 

 

 

I'm not sure the equipment bonus is needed if it were to become F2P. It's purpose is to show off your achivement: getting 99 in a skill.

 

The full bonuses are definitely NOT needed. Give a little better than a normal cape and it is worth it. But most of us want the emote more than anything.

[perfetc]

The stats on the cape make it hardly worth getting in members, which means in f2p it is definatly worth them stats.

 

 

 

It takes so much longer to get 99 so they deserve good stats making them bearly better than a normal cape would make it pointless bringing it out, atleast make it worth while to spend all that time and/or money then pay 99k for a slightly better stats, why not the full stats?

 

 

 

Another reason is why mess about altering the stats so there slightly better than normal cape? It is just plain petty.

 

 

 

Just make all capes f2p make a few new npc's and be done with it.

[Troacctid]

Yes cause they deserve it more even if we are paying 5$ a month cause its harder to earn a 99 in F2P and we already have sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much bonus content that they dont

 

 

 

It's not harder.... but it's definitely less efficient. Like countless others have said, if I get 99 cooking with shrimps all the way, do I deserve a cape more than someone who cooked sharks? We obviously have more content because we are willing to pay for more.

 

This has nothing to do with how difficult it is to get a skillcape. That was merely a side point to illustrate the idea that the achievement needs to be recognized somehow.

 

 

 

The stats on the cape make it hardly worth getting in members, which means in f2p it is definatly worth them stats.

 

 

 

It takes so much longer to get 99 so they deserve good stats making them bearly better than a normal cape would make it pointless bringing it out, atleast make it worth while to spend all that time and/or money then pay 99k for a slightly better stats, why not the full stats?

 

 

 

Another reason is why mess about altering the stats so there slightly better than normal cape? It is just plain petty.

 

 

 

Just make all capes f2p make a few new npc's and be done with it.

 

Well, the trouble with making it the "best" cape is that some players will feel obligated to grind to 99 even though they don't want to, just to get the +9 defence. Untradable equipment that's as elite as a skillcape needs to be sensitive to everyone else by not blowing what they already have out of the water.

[perfetc]

Joint third best cape.

 

 

 

Second best is trimmed.

 

 

 

best is fire cape.

 

 

 

I bet fire cape is cheaper and quicker than any two 99's and with better stats.

 

 

 

Blowing other capes out of the water is the whole point, it shows it is worth it.

 

 

 

It wont unbalance the game to much cos what is the ratio of f2p's with 99's than f2p's with no 99's.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

It would be the best in F2P, though.

 

 

 

If they became F2P, it wouldn't have any effect on my play no matter the stats. I don't really care about the stats so much as the emote, though.

[langer]

This has nothing to do with how difficult it is to get a skillcape. That was merely a side point to illustrate the idea that the achievement needs to be recognized somehow.

 

 

 

From some comments seen on that thread, you'd think it is the main argument. I personnaly think they should have the silly capes, just not with the full P2P equipment bonus. Anything between a normal cape and the legends cape would be fine.

[Troacctid]

This has nothing to do with how difficult it is to get a skillcape. That was merely a side point to illustrate the idea that the achievement needs to be recognized somehow.

 

From some comments seen on that thread, you'd think it is the main argument. I personnaly think they should have the silly capes, just not with the full P2P equipment bonus. Anything between a normal cape and the legends cape would be fine.

 

A couple people latched onto a passing reference to how difficult it is to get a 99 in free play and derailed the whole thread. Folks, it's irrelevant exactly how hard it is to get 99. What matters is that it's worthy of some recognition at all.