Should F2P get skill capes?

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Oh and by the way. And read this carefully as it is the pure truth. The game is free to a certain EXTENT!

 

I'm starting to get tired of that logic. Let's take it a step further; if the game really was free to a certain extent, then the amount of experience you could gain on Freeplay would be capped.

 

 

 

To your remark about "give freeplay X": So? Ignoring them is radically easier than supposedly "nipping it in the bud". Besides, the majority of posters/spammers on the RSOF are Members anyway.

 

 

 

No, yet again you don't read what I say! They can play the game however much they want, whenever they want and do whatever they want ingame. I just don't see a reason why they should get skillcapes. I don't care of the negative ingame effects, the fact that you have not payed anything at all to get those updates is what I care about.

 

 

 

Who made you Jagex's financial officer? Who are you to say that they should not or can not give updates to Freeplay? Does your $5 make you that mighty? No, it doesn't. Especially when Jagex has actually came out and admitted that the game was intended to be free from the beginning, before the dot-com bubble burst.

 

 

 

You and I are both members. We deserve priority updates. But does that mean we get to act like jerks when we hear the idea of certain member content going to freeplay? If you can't answer that one, seriously, try not to respond.

[Bloodkay]

Makoto nails it. Just because you pay, it does not mean you're the high and mighty ruler. Stop looking down on us because we choose to not pay, yet want the odd update here and there.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Makoto nails it. Just because you pay, it does not mean you're the high and mighty ruler. Stop looking down on us because we choose to not pay, yet want the odd update here and there.

 

That's the key phrase, right there. Here and there. Not every week, not every month... Just once in a while.

[Bloodkay]

Well yeah. Most of the stuff F2P received within the past little while was probably not even asked for by our community.

 

But this debate over whether or not we should get skillcapes is getting repetitive. Everyone for argues that we work harder for the 99, and the cape itself might be dubbed down, and that there's no actual reason F2P shouldn't get them. (Really).

 

 

 

And everyone against argues that we simply don't pay and therefor should not receive. That's it, that's their argument.

[hazza143]

definitely, if a F2P player is actually commited enough to get a skillcape, i think he/she should be able to buy one...if we can get the 99 we should be able 2 get a reward for it ;)

 

 

 

"We'd also like to clear up a few issues surrounding the free game. RuneScape is different from all other MMOs in that the free game has an epic amount of content (we'd estimate over 2,000 hours worth to get all your skills up to 99 and complete all the quests) and isn't merely a demo for the members version." - from RuneScape news archives 5th February 2009

 

 

 

and besides, members get everything else... it wouldn't hurt to give F2P 15 capes out of 24

 

 

 

also, training would be ALOT easier in mem's so i dont think a member will become non-mem when thy can get it ALOT faster in P2P, eg: cooking, its either edgeville for F2P or rouges den for P2P, mainly its a jealousy thing i think... members do you pay for membership JUST for skillcapes? and would it really effect you that much if F2P got them? maybe some members will go F2P, that just makes members servers slightly less crowded. I FULLY AGREE WITH BLOODKAY

 

P2P'ers who are AGAINST F2P Skillcapes think about this: would it really effect YOU, not your friends, not your clan, YOU.

 

 

 

If you are that seriously worried about your $5, get a job?? :thumbsup: just throwing it out there

 

 

 

Thats all - Hazz :

 

 

 

Ps: i think i have paid my fair share... 4 yrs mems is a long time :|

[Troacctid]

Finally, you have still failed to explain any reason why this change would NOT be good. All you've given is spite: "They can't have it because they shouldn't have anything! They're leeches who don't deserve to play the game at all!" And I think the reason you can't come up with any is that there is nothing to come up with. There would be no negative effects.

 

 

 

No, yet again you don't read what I say! They can play the game however much they want, whenever they want and do whatever they want ingame. I just don't see a reason why they should get skillcapes. I don't care of the negative ingame effects, the fact that you have not payed anything at all to get those updates is what I care about.

 

Right. You're saying f2p shouldn't get this update because f2p shouldn't get any updates. And that simply doesn't follow when you recognize Jagex's intentions for f2p to be its own game.

 

 

 

Now, granted, if this update happened to be something major that would take up significant amounts of developers' time without any relevance to the members' game, then you might have yourself a case. But it's little more than a minor tweak, making a members' item into a nonmembers' item and moving a few skill masters into f2p areas. At most, the only difficulty might be in altering the stats of the capes when they move from a p2p to a f2p world, and they already do that with every piece of members' equipment, don't they?

 

 

 

So there's really no way that giving skillcapes to f2p would result in any reduction in p2p content.

[MrDespair]

Alright Woozie. I agree with you on that last part. If it weren't P2P money then none of those servers would be online... #-o

 

 

F2P is its own game, as has been quoted from Mod MMG several times already. And they made F2P available over a year before they introduced P2P, as the game was not originally intended to be profitable. They only decided to add P2P because the popularity was so high.

 

 

 

How much they even say that you can't delete the facts. Without MY and many others money this game wouldn't exist and F2P wouldn't be there, nor P2P. Just because it has it's "own game"(wow) doesn't mean you should have more stuff. I payed JaGeX so they could continue updating this game, thus inventing skill capes. You can't fight this because this IS how it works.

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/view.ws?guid=advertising

 

read it and you'll find out that even without your money the servers would still be online.

 

 

 

 

I just don't like to give some leechers, which does nothing other than leech of us P2P players, skillcapes which we payed for. Debate why? They

 

Good for Jagex to hear that players pay $5 for just a cape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So leeching because your F2P is totally OK? I don't think leeching in any way in this world is supported so why on earth would I want JaGeX to support you guys?

 

Firstly, you are not from Jagex. Secondly, members content is given from Jagex. Thridly, even without your support Jagex would still give updates to both p2p and f2p. If Jagex releases p2p content to f2p are you going to sue Jagex of "leeching" things from p2p? It is their decision to give updates, not you, and Jage DIDN'T MENTIONED P2P CONTENT WILL NEVER BE GIVEN TO F2P. Even if you quit Runescape just because of this Jagex just put $5 less to their savings account and I don't think $5 is enough to hire a sever.

[hazza143]

 

 

 

How much they even say that you can't delete the facts. Without MY and many others money this game wouldn't exist and F2P wouldn't be there, nor P2P. Just because it has it's "own game"(wow) doesn't mean you should have more stuff. I payed JaGeX so they could continue updating this game, thus inventing skill capes. You can't fight this because this IS how it works.

 

 

 

erm, "without your money and many others" it wouldn't make a difference because theres a million other members out there paying $5 a month and i honestly dont think they care what happens to f2p, once again, its just jealousy, if skillcapes never got released you would still just be paying your 5$.... : if your so touchy about f2pers "leeching" your 5 dollars, the solution is simple, stop paying, people will always be "leeching your money" thats what kids do, deal with it.

 

 

 

-Hazz

[Sir_Kurity]

I for one, know a great deal of f2p players go p2p for skill capes.

 

 

 

Making them f2p takes away money from the game which makes updates slower, etc etc.

 

 

 

In other words f2p skillcapes = p2p less updates.

 

 

 

But, i still think they should get them.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

I for one, know a great deal of f2p players go p2p for skill capes.

 

 

 

Making them f2p takes away money from the game which makes updates slower, etc etc.

 

 

 

In other words f2p skillcapes = p2p less updates.

 

 

 

But, i still think they should get them.

 

I seriously doubt it would result in fewer updates to P2P. Before skill capes, they had just as many updates as now. Even if a few hundred people cancel memberships because of it, there would still be hundreds of thousands (or more) of people paying.

[Bloodkay]

 

I seriously doubt it would result in fewer updates to P2P. Before skill capes, they had just as many updates as now. Even if a few hundred people cancel memberships because of it, there would still be hundreds of thousands (or more) of people paying.

 

 

 

This is true. Look at all the people that quit when the wilderness was changed. Look at all the membership money they stopped receiving after the bots were rendered useless (although it was stolen credit card info). Making skillcapes F2P would only benefit everyone.

[perfetc]

A thread on the runescape forums has just maxed on the "f2p skill cape" issue of which I posted about 100 times, that being said Ive heard every argument from "no" to "yes" (to f2p already have skill capes, yes he was a noob and he got flamed for 3 or 4 pages).

 

 

 

So here are my opinoins: (brace yourself!).

 

 

 

You deserve things by earning them, you earn a promotion ... you dont then pay your boss cos he offerd you a promotion.

 

 

 

Jagex wont lose money. Say 1,000 pathetic members quit cos f2p get members content they will lose £3,500 but how many members accounts are there (to round it) a million members thats £3,500,000+ then you got f2p adverts so a lose of £3,500 isnt going to make them worry is it?

 

 

 

Of course not caring about people quitting isnt a great idea but people always over-react or flame jagex staff for every update, who would have thought being able to run for longer and more often was a bad thing? So no matter what jagex do people are going to be angry at them.

 

 

 

Fact of the game unfortunately.

 

 

 

Were not talking about new weapons, skills or area's just 15 skill capes. (This might only apply to runescape forums, as I doubt people are bringing up this argument of "if they get capes why not give them godswords" cos its a silly argument and a pet hate of mine)

 

 

 

Npc's being in the wrong place .... they can be moved or new 1's made and put in f2p area's.

 

 

 

Skill capes arnt the only reason people become members, thats just a stupid thing to say. On the same note they arnt the most sought after item ... spirit shields (as an example) are much, MUCH more sought after.

 

 

 

They should not have less of a cape, they work longer than us so why should we have a better cape with a stupid emote that you only use when your really bored.

 

 

 

We dont work the same just take prayer for example (this is the quickest method, not the cheapest. I also put a comparison between f2p and p2p using the same bones).

 

 

 

868,963 big bones buried for zero to 99.

 

 

 

93,104 ourg bones buried zero to 99.

 

 

 

Thats what I think any-hoo :

[hazza143]

A thread on the runescape forums has just maxed on the "f2p skill cape" issue of which I posted about 100 times, that being said Ive heard every argument from "no" to "yes" (to f2p already have skill capes, yes he was a noob and he got flamed for 3 or 4 pages).

 

 

 

So here are my opinoins: (brace yourself!).

 

 

 

You deserve things by earning them, you earn a promotion ... you dont then pay your boss cos he offerd you a promotion.

 

 

 

Jagex wont lose money. Say 1,000 pathetic members quit cos f2p get members content they will lose £3,500 but how many members accounts are there (to round it) a million members thats £3,500,000+ then you got f2p adverts so a lose of £3,500 isnt going to make them worry is it?

 

 

 

Of course not caring about people quitting isnt a great idea but people always over-react or flame jagex staff for every update, who would have thought being able to run for longer and more often was a bad thing? So no matter what jagex do people are going to be angry at them.

 

 

 

Fact of the game unfortunately.

 

 

 

Were not talking about new weapons, skills or area's just 15 skill capes. (This might only apply to runescape forums, as I doubt people are bringing up this argument of "if they get capes why not give them godswords" cos its a silly argument and a pet hate of mine)

 

 

 

Npc's being in the wrong place .... they can be moved or new 1's made and put in f2p area's.

 

 

 

Skill capes arnt the only reason people become members, thats just a stupid thing to say. On the same note they arnt the most sought after item ... spirit shields (as an example) are much, MUCH more sought after.

 

 

 

They should not have less of a cape, they work longer than us so why should we have a better cape with a stupid emote that you only use when your really bored.

 

 

 

We dont work the same just take prayer for example (this is the quickest method, not the cheapest. I also put a comparison between f2p and p2p using the same bones).

 

 

 

868,963 big bones buried for zero to 99.

 

 

 

93,104 ourg bones buried zero to 99.

 

 

 

Thats what I think any-hoo :

 

 

 

My argument exactly :

 

 

 

-Hazz

[Sir_Kurity]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

[quelmotz]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

 

 

 

I don't think that f2p players not getting membership for one month just to get skillcapes will create such a big impact. I mean 1 month is US$5. Say 150 f2pers get a one month membership just to get skillcapes. Result: US$750 for Jagex. Big deal. Sure, some of the f2pers might like membership benefits so much that they continue paying, but I doubt the total profit will be more than $1000.

[Guest]

Long message explaining things till this interesting thing comes up;

 

 

 

868,963 big bones buried for zero to 99.

 

 

 

93,104 ourg bones buried zero to 99.

 

 

 

Thats what I think any-hoo :

 

 

 

My argument exactly :

 

 

 

-Hazz

 

 

 

I am as a pure f2p-er against skill capes, because we have no use for it (as I explained earlier, if you want to show off your stats, use highscores & quickchat. This cape will only bring problems to the f2p world).

 

 

 

However I can say f2p prayer is hard on me (I am currently 96, and making gp for 98)

 

 

 

You forgot to mention in this specific post that members can use altar and use "click x" on that altar. Also 99 prayer in f2p costs about 300 million gp from lvl 1 if you where to buy them, if you where to kill giants all day to get them it would take years. In p2p it costs less. Perhaps we should focus more on increasing game play, and fun in the f2p worlds than keep asking for silly items we actually do need need (we might deserve them, but we have no need for it, it's a luxioury item).

 

 

 

If we f2p-ers keep whining about every little thing to become f2p I understand why p2p-ers keep getting annoyed. However a peace offering should be made from both sides and that means not every p2p-er has to call their "we pay 5 dollar a month so we deserve more" policy. There are actually some usefull updates suggested by f2p-ers and they get the same load of crap because we tend to ask too much.

 

 

 

I agree we have to make f2p (as it is considered a full game, members as extension) a enjoyable game and focus on f2p updates that makes our world (and also the p2p world) a happier place.

[3hitm4g3u]

Makoto nails it. Just because you pay, it does not mean you're the high and mighty ruler. Stop looking down on us because we choose to not pay, yet want the odd update here and there.

 

 

 

Nobody said it did and nobody is looking down on F2Pers.

 

 

 

However it's hardly a crime against humanity if we wish for certain P2P things to remain P2P things.

 

 

 

You do get the odd update here and there. That's not what you want. What you want is MORE.

[quelmotz]

Makoto nails it. Just because you pay, it does not mean you're the high and mighty ruler. Stop looking down on us because we choose to not pay, yet want the odd update here and there.

 

 

 

Nobody said it did and nobody is looking down on F2Pers.

 

 

 

However it's hardly a crime against humanity if we wish for certain P2P things to remain P2P things.

 

 

 

You do get the odd update here and there. That's not what you want. What you want is MORE.

 

 

 

Not all f2pers are greedy for more. Excuse the blatant self promotion, but I've never asked/begged/what have you for any updates to f2p. I know Jagex will update f2p sooner or later. Don't stereotype people.

 

 

 

I detest beggars, f2p players asking for more updates included. I'll agree with you here that some f2p beggars are highly irritating.

 

 

 

Of course, you can wish for certain p2p things to remain p2p, but if you don't back it up with good reasons, no one is going to give a [bleep] about your arguments.

 

 

 

Don't argue that f2p players make suggestions for f2p/whatever. Suggestions =/= begging for updates. Suggesting is to share your idea(s) with the forums to see what they think of it. And possibly let it get seen by Jagex Mods.

[perfetc]

Long message explaining things till this interesting thing comes up;

 

 

 

868,963 big bones buried for zero to 99.

 

 

 

93,104 ourg bones buried zero to 99.

 

 

 

Thats what I think any-hoo :

 

 

 

My argument exactly :

 

 

 

-Hazz

 

 

 

You forgot to mention in this specific post that members can use altar and use "click x" on that altar. Also 99 prayer in f2p costs about 300 million gp from lvl 1 if you where to buy them, if you where to kill giants all day to get them it would take years. In p2p it costs less. Perhaps we should focus more on increasing game play, and fun in the f2p worlds than keep asking for silly items we actually do need need (we might deserve them, but we have no need for it, it's a luxioury item).

 

 

 

Im sure clicking a few extra times is alot quicker to do than running back and forth to an alter or the ecto, remember money isnt a problem in this example.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am as a pure f2p-er against skill capes, because we have no use for it (as I explained earlier, if you want to show off your stats, use highscores & quickchat. This cape will only bring problems to the f2p world).

 

 

 

Members have a use for it? Nope.

 

 

 

All its is a coloured (black isn't a colour) obby cape with a skill icon, shoulder pads and a trim. Considering the time and money spent to get this cape it is rubbish, I'd rather stick with me better looking obby cape (although the slayer cape looks better).

 

 

 

Its another reason I think they should have it, its not the best cape. Its the rune equipment of the cape world (the dragon/barrows cape is obviously the fire cape).

 

 

 

The best stuff is and will always be members.

[Troacctid]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

 

If a player cares enough about the game to get level 99 in a skill, then they hardly need more convincing to get membership. After all, they're already willing to commit hundreds of hours to the game, so there's a pretty good chance they're willing to commit $6.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

 

If a player cares enough about the game to get level 99 in a skill, then they hardly need more convincing to get membership. After all, they're already willing to commit hundreds of hours to the game, so there's a pretty good chance they're willing to commit $6.

 

And if they don't, chances are pretty good they have a valid reason.

[Troacctid]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

 

If a player cares enough about the game to get level 99 in a skill, then they hardly need more convincing to get membership. After all, they're already willing to commit hundreds of hours to the game, so there's a pretty good chance they're willing to commit $6.

 

And if they don't, chances are pretty good they have a valid reason.

 

Right. See, Jagex doesn't acquire new members by withholding all the good content from free players. They get new members by making a damn good free game that people like to play. If the free game is better, then Jagex gets more subscribers, not less...so long as the members' game continue to have lots of exclusive content, of course, which it will, thanks to members-only quests, skills, equipment, and locations.

[quelmotz]

No, existing members won't QUIT.

 

 

 

But it still stops f2p players who get a 99 skill from becoming member for the skill cape. See what im getting at?

 

If a player cares enough about the game to get level 99 in a skill, then they hardly need more convincing to get membership. After all, they're already willing to commit hundreds of hours to the game, so there's a pretty good chance they're willing to commit $6.

 

And if they don't, chances are pretty good they have a valid reason.

 

Right. See, Jagex doesn't acquire new members by withholding all the good content from free players. They get new members by making a damn good free game that people like to play. If the free game is better, then Jagex gets more subscribers, not less...so long as the members' game continue to have lots of exclusive content, of course, which it will, thanks to members-only quests, skills, equipment, and locations.

 

 

 

Exactly.

[3hitm4g3u]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

[Jaffy1]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Amen to that!