Should F2P get skill capes?

[Grogthurk]

Maybe for you its that way, but I can't believe that people wouldn't start asking for more. Heck, MEMBERS do it and we're the ones who get ALL the content.

 

 

 

Runescape has a very fragile system, which I hope they can repair before it shatters. Letting players have as much input as we do is really dicey. Especially now because F2P can go on the forums. Of course all F2P is going to want is more, and if Jagex gives in once, its over.

 

 

 

Already with PvP updates they have proved my theory right. If you get enough people whining, they'll give in.

 

 

 

If an F2P'r wants something THAT bad, they can pay. If it means enough for them to sit and whine and cry, they can pay. If you make a huge deal out of it, you can pay.

[perfetc]

Maybe for you its that way, but I can't believe that people wouldn't start asking for more. Heck, MEMBERS do it and we're the ones who get ALL the content.

 

 

 

Runescape has a very fragile system, which I hope they can repair before it shatters. Letting players have as much input as we do is really dicey. Especially now because F2P can go on the forums. Of course all F2P is going to want is more, and if Jagex gives in once, its over.

 

 

 

Already with PvP updates they have proved my theory right. If you get enough people whining, they'll give in.

 

 

 

If an F2P'r wants something THAT bad, they can pay. If it means enough for them to sit and whine and cry, they can pay. If you make a huge deal out of it, you can pay.

 

 

 

How often do members bang on and on in those forums and it hardley ever happens, mostly cos the mods have to sift through the crap to find the gems but in the end jagex do what they want.

[Troacctid]

Maybe for you its that way, but I can't believe that people wouldn't start asking for more. Heck, MEMBERS do it and we're the ones who get ALL the content.

 

 

 

Runescape has a very fragile system, which I hope they can repair before it shatters. Letting players have as much input as we do is really dicey. Especially now because F2P can go on the forums. Of course all F2P is going to want is more, and if Jagex gives in once, its over.

 

 

 

Already with PvP updates they have proved my theory right. If you get enough people whining, they'll give in.

 

 

 

If an F2P'r wants something THAT bad, they can pay. If it means enough for them to sit and whine and cry, they can pay. If you make a huge deal out of it, you can pay.

 

Jagex has already "given in" at least half a dozen times in the past year, and how often do you see free players spamming the forums begging for updates? It's only members who whine and cry about updates. I would bet you a godsword that if skillcapes are made available to free players, the Game Feedback, Rants, and Recent Updates forums will be flooded with many more members ranting about the update than free players asking for more.

[Grogthurk]

Of course they would.

 

 

 

Because we PAY for more. But, over time, Free players will continue to make the case they deserve more because they "have to look at ads" and "have it harder because f2p training is so hard". Not saying f2p training isn't harder, but part of p2p is easier skill leveling.

 

 

 

I don't honestly think that looking at ads or harder training is merit for anything. At the end of the day you can say, you know what, I had it harder.

 

 

 

Being F2P with a 99 is impressive, I think that's cooler than a skillcape.

[perfetc]

Of course they would.

 

 

 

Because we PAY for more. But, over time, Free players will continue to make the case they deserve more because they "have to look at ads" and "have it harder because f2p training is so hard". Not saying f2p training isn't harder, but part of p2p is easier skill leveling.

 

 

 

I don't honestly think that looking at ads or harder training is merit for anything. At the end of the day you can say, you know what, I had it harder.

 

 

 

Being F2P with a 99 is impressive, I think that's cooler than a skillcape.

 

 

 

So you would want them to parade the "cooler" 99 my spamming quickchat saying my level [insert skill here] is 99, instead of giving them a few pixels with relativly crap stats? :roll:

[Troacctid]

Of course they would.

 

 

 

Because we PAY for more. But, over time, Free players will continue to make the case they deserve more because they "have to look at ads" and "have it harder because f2p training is so hard". Not saying f2p training isn't harder, but part of p2p is easier skill leveling.

 

 

 

I don't honestly think that looking at ads or harder training is merit for anything. At the end of the day you can say, you know what, I had it harder.

 

 

 

Being F2P with a 99 is impressive, I think that's cooler than a skillcape.

 

But don't you see? You're trying to say that f2p shouldn't get updates because it would cause them to whine, or in other words that updates that cause whining should not be released. But free players don't whine about updates! It's members who whine about updates! And they invariably whine about every update, no matter how seemingly uncontroversial, which by extension of your warrant implies that no updates should be released for anyone. That line of reasoning is flawed.

 

 

 

And nobody is saying that free players deserve more because they look at ads, or whatever it is you're saying you're thinking they're saying.

[Grogthurk]

Looking too hard into what I am saying.

 

 

 

The answer is no, I don't think they should get capes. They don't pay, they don't have a say.

[Sir_Kurity]

Despite having access to the forums, they don't have a say.

[Mico]

Looking too hard into what I am saying.

 

 

 

The answer is no, I don't think they should get capes. They don't pay, they don't have a say.

 

 

 

Not like they would be taken from members. And there are suggestions for much uglier capes, with no benefits, just something to show a master' s degree in a skill.

 

 

 

And why does it bother you so much if we get something. You' ll just get 5 times more and 10 times better than we do, so why do you concern yourself so much. And besides, F2P generates around 450 000 USD a month, judging there is about 1 million paying members and memberships generate 93% of monthly profits. 7% is 450 000 USD then, do the maths.

 

 

 

And access to the forums is only availabe at more than 12 million exp. And even now that we have access to the forums, we' re just being flamed at for being F2P. Wow, what a breaktrough.

[Sir_Kurity]

If you would leave member because skillcapes are f2p, then good, you save 5 dollars.

 

 

 

If you wouldn't leave member, it means its still worth being a member.

[NJE03]

 

But don't you see? You're trying to say that f2p shouldn't get updates because it would cause them to whine, or in other words that updates that cause whining should not be released. But free players don't whine about updates! It's members who whine about updates! And they invariably whine about every update, no matter how seemingly uncontroversial, which by extension of your warrant implies that no updates should be released for anyone. That line of reasoning is flawed.

 

 

 

And nobody is saying that free players deserve more because they look at ads, or whatever it is you're saying you're thinking they're saying.

Well said. =D>

[Grogthurk]

 

But don't you see? You're trying to say that f2p shouldn't get updates because it would cause them to whine, or in other words that updates that cause whining should not be released. But free players don't whine about updates! It's members who whine about updates! And they invariably whine about every update, no matter how seemingly uncontroversial, which by extension of your warrant implies that no updates should be released for anyone. That line of reasoning is flawed.

 

 

 

And nobody is saying that free players deserve more because they look at ads, or whatever it is you're saying you're thinking they're saying.

Well said. =D>

 

 

 

 

 

That isn't what I am saying. I am using that as more reason for why they shouldn't. The fact of the matter is they shouldn't because they DON'T pay.

[perfetc]

 

But don't you see? You're trying to say that f2p shouldn't get updates because it would cause them to whine, or in other words that updates that cause whining should not be released. But free players don't whine about updates! It's members who whine about updates! And they invariably whine about every update, no matter how seemingly uncontroversial, which by extension of your warrant implies that no updates should be released for anyone. That line of reasoning is flawed.

 

 

 

And nobody is saying that free players deserve more because they look at ads, or whatever it is you're saying you're thinking they're saying.

Well said. =D>

 

 

 

 

 

That isn't what I am saying. I am using that as more reason for why they shouldn't. The fact of the matter is they shouldn't because they DON'T pay.

 

 

 

So by that logic there shouldn't be a f2p? They don't pay directly so they shouldn't get a thing?

[Grogthurk]

No?

 

 

 

Runescape F2P'rs are damn lucky to have that much of a game available to them without having to pay. I can't really think of another MMO where you get as much as F2P'rs

[perfetc]

Which is maybe why runescape is damn popular.

 

 

 

I don't understand why your getting so worked up over 15 mediocre capes.

 

 

 

If we were talking about sharing fletching (upto yew obviously) with f2p then I would probably be on the other side of this debate but 15 capes, come on .....

[hihihi727]

I've changed my mind. I don't think f2p needs skill capes. I don't mind f2p getting updates, i would love it if they had more fun stuff like boss monsters and ect. so that more of my friends would play. BUT if you play Runescape in f2p so long that you can get a 99skill, you will probably never become a member. F2P only really exists so that people will become addicted to RS and then get members. Skill capes would be a very high level update, and f2p doesn't really need any of them.

 

 

 

The fact that f2p'ers have to "work hard" does not mean anything. Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people, but you also get a fancy cape. People do not get skillcapes show they can show off how hard they worked. They get it because the cape is fancy. All this update will really do is give f2p a new (and very high leveled) item

 

 

 

Such an update would inspire f2pers to get 99's. During the time they try to get this 99, they will not be feel that the f2p world lacks too much and they will be content. Only after they finally get the skillcape will they realise that f2p is pretty boring and small and they should get members. (Exceptions are people that will never become p2p because they think their achievements will be more impressive or something. But these people are never going to pay for members anyway.) However, if they didn't have skill capes they could have realised that f2p is pretty boring and small MUCH earlier on and get members faster. Skillcapes are too high leveled for an f2p update.

[Sir_Kurity]

Plenty of my friends get one 99 skill, then go members because at that point they get bored.

[perfetc]

Skill capes are to much effort for such little reward which means they are far from high level.

 

 

 

In the time I have had my account I have got mediocre skills (maybe less than that) in the same time frame somebdoy could have easily got 99 in any of the following in f2p wc, fishing, fm att, str, def, magic and range.

 

 

 

So the line "Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people" means nothing.

 

 

 

What is stopping jagex releasing f2p capes and something else like a monster or whatever? It's not like they have to keep to a strict limit of f2p updates.

[quelmotz]

Skill capes are to much effort for such little reward which means they are far from high level.

 

 

 

In the time I have had my account I have got mediocre skills (maybe less than that) in the same time frame somebdoy could have easily got 99 in any of the following in f2p wc, fishing, fm att, str, def, magic and range.

 

 

 

So the line "Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people" means nothing.

 

 

 

What is stopping jagex releasing f2p capes and something else like a monster or whatever? It's not like they have to keep to a strict limit of f2p updates.

 

 

 

They have a limit - too many selfish idiot members

[perfetc]

Skill capes are to much effort for such little reward which means they are far from high level.

 

 

 

In the time I have had my account I have got mediocre skills (maybe less than that) in the same time frame somebdoy could have easily got 99 in any of the following in f2p wc, fishing, fm att, str, def, magic and range.

 

 

 

So the line "Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people" means nothing.

 

 

 

What is stopping jagex releasing f2p capes and something else like a monster or whatever? It's not like they have to keep to a strict limit of f2p updates.

 

 

 

They have a limit - too many selfish idiot members

 

 

 

Fair point but it is there game if they want to give them capes then they will, if they want to give them a new skill they will, it is really not up to us.

 

 

 

We may moan about most updates (if not all of them) but we don't really have that much of a say, just look at the out cry for high level gear.

[quelmotz]

Skill capes are to much effort for such little reward which means they are far from high level.

 

 

 

In the time I have had my account I have got mediocre skills (maybe less than that) in the same time frame somebdoy could have easily got 99 in any of the following in f2p wc, fishing, fm att, str, def, magic and range.

 

 

 

So the line "Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people" means nothing.

 

 

 

What is stopping jagex releasing f2p capes and something else like a monster or whatever? It's not like they have to keep to a strict limit of f2p updates.

 

 

 

They have a limit - too many selfish idiot members

 

 

 

Fair point but it is there game if they want to give them capes then they will, if they want to give them a new skill they will, it is really not up to us.

 

 

 

We may moan about most updates (if not all of them) but we don't really have that much of a say, just look at the out cry for high level gear.

 

 

 

Yeah, but Jagex still has to remember that the customers are the bosses. They might have their own company and be able to make their own decisions, but if the customers are unhappy, say goodbye to your profit, and indirectly the game itself.

 

 

 

I have nothing against f2p, I hate p2p whiner noobs a lot too. I'm just mentioning some constraints which might affect Jagex's choice whether to give f2p skillcapes or not.

[perfetc]

Skill capes are to much effort for such little reward which means they are far from high level.

 

 

 

In the time I have had my account I have got mediocre skills (maybe less than that) in the same time frame somebdoy could have easily got 99 in any of the following in f2p wc, fishing, fm att, str, def, magic and range.

 

 

 

So the line "Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people" means nothing.

 

 

 

What is stopping jagex releasing f2p capes and something else like a monster or whatever? It's not like they have to keep to a strict limit of f2p updates.

 

 

 

They have a limit - too many selfish idiot members

 

 

 

Fair point but it is there game if they want to give them capes then they will, if they want to give them a new skill they will, it is really not up to us.

 

 

 

We may moan about most updates (if not all of them) but we don't really have that much of a say, just look at the out cry for high level gear.

 

 

 

Yeah, but Jagex still has to remember that the customers are the bosses. They might have their own company and be able to make their own decisions, but if the customers are unhappy, say goodbye to your profit, and indirectly the game itself.

 

 

 

I have nothing against f2p, I hate p2p whiner noobs a lot too. I'm just mentioning some constraints which might affect Jagex's choice whether to give f2p skillcapes or not.

 

 

 

The most loved thing in runescape was old school wild then jagex removed it and have radically changed it and people still play the game so jagex can pretty much do what they like and still have a highly profitable business. (barring anything completly devastating to the game like removing combat totaly from the game but the jagex staff are never going to do that)

[unkn0wnwarrior]

The fact that f2p'ers have to "work hard" does not mean anything. Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people, but you also get a fancy cape. People do not get skillcapes show they can show off how hard they worked. They get it because the cape is fancy. All this update will really do is give f2p a new (and very high leveled) item

 

I have been playing 3 times as long as one of my friends, and they have double my experience or more. That throws that argument out the window. I still don't care if we get them, since my plan is not to get a 99 until I am close in all skills (except 99 hp which might happen when I go for 95 attack/strength/defence). But, for those of my friends who have valid excuses, I would definitely support the capes becoming F2P, even a version with reduced or no stats.

[hihihi727]

The fact that f2p'ers have to "work hard" does not mean anything. Getting a 99 does not show that you have "worked hard", it shows how much time you have sat in front of the computer playing games more than other people, but you also get a fancy cape. People do not get skillcapes show they can show off how hard they worked. They get it because the cape is fancy. All this update will really do is give f2p a new (and very high leveled) item

 

I have been playing 3 times as long as one of my friends, and they have double my experience or more. That throws that argument out the window. I still don't care if we get them, since my plan is not to get a 99 until I am close in all skills (except 99 hp which might happen when I go for 95 attack/strength/defence). But, for those of my friends who have valid excuses, I would definitely support the capes becoming F2P, even a version with reduced or no stats.

 

 

 

I don't see how it throws that argument out of the window. Your friends might no life more than you, or maybe they enjoy skilling more. Or do you really think that your friends have got double exp because they "worked harder" than you? No. Runescape requires zero skill. Skillcapes are just another item consisting of a line of code and few pixels. They are not some kind of holy relic that people with 99 skills automatically deserve because they have worked so hard. No other skill requirement, whether for a quest or a item, comes even close to getting a skill all the way to 99. Skillcapes are far too high leveled. Skillcapes becoming f2p won't entice new players to play. Nor will they encourage f2pers to get p2p. Once again, i would love it if f2p's got a cool update like a new boss or a quest so that more of my friends would want to play. But most of the people that would be very happy about this update would be people that are going to stay f2p all their life.

[langer]

You know what, I think F2P players should be able to get skill capes only if they have ever been members at one time in the past. That would be an incentive to F2Pers to become member for just one month to acquire some capes and this would inject a couple hundred thousands $ in Jagex coffers to invest in some interesting members update.

 

 

 

Everybody wins except every F2Pers that wants a cape, they'd lose 6-10$... not that big a cost IMO.