Should F2P get skill capes?

[Troacctid]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

[Jaffy1]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

[Juhnie]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games?

[Jaffy1]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games?

 

 

 

Ever heard of kids reasoning with their parents and paying themselves?

 

 

 

That's what I did. 8-)

[Troacctid]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

 

$6 a month for one month isn't much, no, but long-term membership approaches or exceeds the cost of a retail PC game. 5 months' membership could buy you a whole new game. And membership is much less attractive when it's temporary: you fill your bank up with members' items, spend time training members' skills and unlocking members' content, and then you go back to f2p and none of it matters except to take up your bank space.

 

 

 

There's also a psychological appeal to getting a great game without having to pay a cent. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

 

 

Plus, the argument that f2p shouldn't get upgrades because membership is cheap is, frankly, pretty stupid, because Jagex has made it clear that the free game ought to be enjoyable on its own merits and not as a demo for the members' game.

 

 

 

And again, skillcapes aren't a big deal. Why shouldn't they be available in f2p?

[Jaffy1]

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There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

 

$6 a month for one month isn't much, no, but long-term membership approaches or exceeds the cost of a retail PC game. 5 months' membership could buy you a whole new game. And membership is much less attractive when it's temporary: you fill your bank up with members' items, spend time training members' skills and unlocking members' content, and then you go back to f2p and none of it matters except to take up your bank space.

 

 

 

There's also a psychological appeal to getting a great game without having to pay a cent. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

 

 

Plus, the argument that f2p shouldn't get upgrades because membership is cheap is, frankly, pretty stupid, because Jagex has made it clear that the free game ought to be enjoyable on its own merits and not as a demo for the members' game.

 

 

 

And again, skillcapes aren't a big deal. Why shouldn't they be available in f2p?

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Yet without kill capes f2p still is enjoyable on its own, so why should they?

[Troacctid]

[hide=troacctid wrote]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

 

$6 a month for one month isn't much, no, but long-term membership approaches or exceeds the cost of a retail PC game. 5 months' membership could buy you a whole new game. And membership is much less attractive when it's temporary: you fill your bank up with members' items, spend time training members' skills and unlocking members' content, and then you go back to f2p and none of it matters except to take up your bank space.

 

 

 

There's also a psychological appeal to getting a great game without having to pay a cent. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

 

 

Plus, the argument that f2p shouldn't get upgrades because membership is cheap is, frankly, pretty stupid, because Jagex has made it clear that the free game ought to be enjoyable on its own merits and not as a demo for the members' game.

 

 

 

And again, skillcapes aren't a big deal. Why shouldn't they be available in f2p?[/hide]

 

 

 

Yet without kill capes f2p still is enjoyable on its own, so why should they?

 

Because it would be a small tweak that would do nothing but improve the game without taking much effort to program? Duh. :roll:

[Jaffy1]

[hide=troacctid wrote]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

 

$6 a month for one month isn't much, no, but long-term membership approaches or exceeds the cost of a retail PC game. 5 months' membership could buy you a whole new game. And membership is much less attractive when it's temporary: you fill your bank up with members' items, spend time training members' skills and unlocking members' content, and then you go back to f2p and none of it matters except to take up your bank space.

 

 

 

There's also a psychological appeal to getting a great game without having to pay a cent. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

 

 

Plus, the argument that f2p shouldn't get upgrades because membership is cheap is, frankly, pretty stupid, because Jagex has made it clear that the free game ought to be enjoyable on its own merits and not as a demo for the members' game.

 

 

 

And again, skillcapes aren't a big deal. Why shouldn't they be available in f2p?[/hide]

 

 

 

Yet without kill capes f2p still is enjoyable on its own, so why should they?

 

Because it would be a small tweak that would do nothing but improve the game without taking much effort to program? Duh. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

That is not a reason to do it. Just because it's easy to do, doesn't mean they should, obvously. :wall:

[Troacctid]

[hide=troacctid wrote]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Skillcapes should remain P2P.

 

Yeah, and if anyone DOES get 99 in f2p, it's obvious they don't plan on paying the $6, so you might as well just let them have the cape in f2p. It's not exactly a big deal.

 

 

 

Or they might as well pay the little money it costs, as they had hundreds of hours of fun without paying already. It's not that expensive you know.... :|

 

$6 a month for one month isn't much, no, but long-term membership approaches or exceeds the cost of a retail PC game. 5 months' membership could buy you a whole new game. And membership is much less attractive when it's temporary: you fill your bank up with members' items, spend time training members' skills and unlocking members' content, and then you go back to f2p and none of it matters except to take up your bank space.

 

 

 

There's also a psychological appeal to getting a great game without having to pay a cent. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

 

 

Plus, the argument that f2p shouldn't get upgrades because membership is cheap is, frankly, pretty stupid, because Jagex has made it clear that the free game ought to be enjoyable on its own merits and not as a demo for the members' game.

 

 

 

And again, skillcapes aren't a big deal. Why shouldn't they be available in f2p?[/hide]

 

 

 

Yet without kill capes f2p still is enjoyable on its own, so why should they?

 

Because it would be a small tweak that would do nothing but improve the game without taking much effort to program? Duh. :roll:

 

That is not a reason to do it. Just because it's easy to do, doesn't mean they should, obvously. :wall:

 

The reason to do it is that it would improve the free game. There's your pro right there. Seeing as there are no cons, there's then no reason not to do it. It's the same reason for adding skillcapes in the game in the first place: to add special acknowledgement and meaning to level 99 skills. They should have been f2p to begin with, and it's still not too late to fix it. This is the "upgrade year" after all.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games?

 

 

 

Ever heard of kids reasoning with their parents and paying themselves?

 

 

 

That's what I did. 8-)

 

Most kids with parents who won't pay for them won't let them pay, either. My guess is they feel it will have a larger impact on their grades, which may be true with all of the extra content. However, I do not fall under this category (anymore).

[Juhnie]

There's no reason for anyone not to be able to pay $6 if they have the time to waste on F2P getting a 99 skill tbh.

 

 

 

Ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games?

 

 

 

Ever heard of kids reasoning with their parents and paying themselves?

 

 

 

That's what I did. 8-)

 

 

 

Can't say no because that is what I do. But ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games, even if it is the child's own money and unwilling to bend from their decision even through reasoning with them?

[AgentEarl]

if f2p wants things that members have, than become a member, its that simple.

 

if they dont want to pay than they dont get skillcapes, more skills, etc.

 

why even have members if jagex will just eventually give everything to free players as well? thats what separates f2p from p2p, exclusive content.

[Geranimal]

NO! They cant afford to pay 5 bucks a month for a game? No pay no cape

[Sir_Kurity]

Skillcapes are a long shot from "everything"

 

 

 

They would just like to show off there 99 stat.

[Troacctid]

if f2p wants things that members have, than become a member, its that simple.

 

if they dont want to pay than they dont get skillcapes, more skills, etc.

 

why even have members if jagex will just eventually give everything to free players as well? thats what separates f2p from p2p, exclusive content.

This argument that free players shouldn't get content because they can just pay and become a member is, frankly, stupid. Jagex has made it abundantly clear that f2p is NOT a demo for the members' game. They've said it over and over. They explicitly advertise it as a free game, not a free trial.

 

 

 

Furthermore, skillcapes are hardly justified as members-only, since they're a cosmetic reward for obtaining an otherwise useless skill level that can be achieved in f2p anyway. I'm sure most people would agree with me that they should have been f2p in the first place. There's absolutely NO reason for it to jeopardize any members' content or make Jagex "give everything to free players as well" like you suggest. That's simply ridiculous.

 

 

 

Your justification holds no water. You still fail to provide a valid warrant as to why it would be bad to give skillcapes to f2p.

[Jaffy1]

They're hardly "cosmetic only".

 

 

 

As said, they should remain p2p for all the reasons said.

 

A f2p version (smaller, no stats, no emote) would be a solution...

[Troacctid]

They're hardly "cosmetic only".

 

 

 

As said, they should remain p2p for all the reasons said.

 

A f2p version (smaller, no stats, no emote) would be a solution...

 

What reasons said? You mean that if skillcapes are f2p, then the entire game will follow? Or that skillcapes are already available to f2p as long as they pay the subscription fee?

 

 

 

Look, we can talk equipment balance if you like, but even if the stats were left intact, I seriously doubt there would be balance issues. A skillcape only gives +9 defense, which is marginal, and +4 prayer, which is far less relevant without access to p2p's high-level prayers. And at 99k, it would be more expensive than any other piece of f2p combat equipment outside of corrupt dragon. Not a big enough deal to necessitate a stat nerf, right? Even if it was, there's nothing wrong with dropping the stats except a little extra programming time.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Furthermore, skillcapes are hardly justified as members-only, since they're a cosmetic reward for obtaining an otherwise useless skill level that can be achieved in f2p anyway. I'm sure most people would agree with me that they should have been f2p in the first place. There's absolutely NO reason for it to jeopardize any members' content or make Jagex "give everything to free players as well" like you suggest. That's simply ridiculous.

 

Everybody I have said anything to in-game (including a lot of members visiting F2P to show off or visit with friends) thinks they should have been.

 

 

 

And the only thing that should realistically be taken away if they become F2P is a portion of the stats. Since the emote is already usable in F2P.

[Juhnie]

NO! They cant afford to pay 5 bucks a month for a game? No pay no cape

 

First of all, it's not 5$/month for everyone. Over here purchasing one month through PayByCash costs 7, which is 9.7832 USD.

 

Also,

 

But ever heard of parents unwilling to let their children spend money on Internet games, even if it is the child's own money and unwilling to bend from their decision even through reasoning with them?

 

I'm getting fed up with people using that "lol if they can't pay x amount of monies then no" argument.

[ibxtoycat]

so we have to pay $5 a month just to keep our skill cape, if we play once a month, to show off?

[MattR]

I've only looked at the first page of posts. It seems to be that an estimated 50% are for skillcapes for F2P and the other 50% is against it.

 

 

 

Some of the replies that I saw on the first page were (and this one showed up a lot):

 

 

 

"We [members] pay the $5 for skillcapes, so if F2P players want them, then they need to pay."

 

"F2P players deserve skillcapes, so they should get them."

 

 

 

I am 100% for F2P players having access to all non-member skillcapes. Almost every skill that is available to F2P is harder in F2P worlds (excluding Firemaking and Woodcutting). Smithing would be an example as well, but making money in F2P can be much more difficult. Other than the money issue, Smithing xp rates in F2P are pretty much the same in P2P.

 

 

 

 

 

--To all of those who use the excuse "we pay for it, if they [F2P] want it, they will pay." You are saying that you only paying for skillcapes. Which is wrong. You are pay for everything else; more quests and bank space, skills, armour & weapons, mini-games, ect. Why are you so against a F2P player flaunting his/her hard earned skillcape? Would it really kill you? I realize that it is upsetting to see that F2P is "turning into P2P." But when you think of how long it took someone to train to max combat with a Rune Scimitar, a ton of arrows, and over 600k Big Bones, I'm sure that you wouldn't mind having that person get the skillcape.

[Troacctid]

I am 100% for F2P players having access to all non-member skillcapes. Almost every skill that is available to F2P is harder in F2P worlds (excluding Firemaking and Woodcutting). Smithing would be an example as well, but making money in F2P can be much more difficult. Other than the money issue, Smithing xp rates in F2P are pretty much the same in P2P.

 

(Woodcutting in p2p is actually much faster because of teaks and eucs, less crowding, and the dragon hatchet.)

[ibxtoycat]

I am 100% for F2P players having access to all non-member skillcapes. Almost every skill that is available to F2P is harder in F2P worlds (excluding Firemaking and Woodcutting). Smithing would be an example as well, but making money in F2P can be much more difficult. Other than the money issue, Smithing xp rates in F2P are pretty much the same in P2P.

 

(Woodcutting in p2p is actually much faster because of teaks and eucs, less crowding, and the dragon hatchet.)

 

dont forget sacred clay hatchet :)

 

 

 

as well as extra bank/ge space is a small help for all skills

[Grogthurk]

I just say no because they don't pay.

 

 

 

Here's the issue, if you give F2P an inch they'll take a mile. If you give a moose a cookie, he'll ask for a glass of milk to go with it, etc.

 

 

 

"skillcap3z!! Giv3 us fl3tch naow!1!!"

 

 

 

Honestly, I bought members so I could get fletching.

 

 

 

And like others have said, by the time you could have gotten a skill 99 in f2p, you should be able to fork over enough coin for membership.

 

 

 

Damn freeloaders. Beggars can't be choosers, you know?

[Troacctid]

I just say no because they don't pay.

 

Free players shouldn't get content because they're free players?

 

 

 

Here's the issue, if you give F2P an inch they'll take a mile. If you give a moose a cookie, he'll ask for a glass of milk to go with it, etc.

 

 

 

"skillcap3z!! Giv3 us fl3tch naow!1!!"

 

 

 

Honestly, I bought members so I could get fletching.

 

There's no slippery slope here. If free players get skillcapes, it doesn't mean they get fletching and summoning and thieving and castle wars. It means they get skillcapes.

 

 

 

And like others have said, by the time you could have gotten a skill 99 in f2p, you should be able to fork over enough coin for membership.

 

 

 

Damn freeloaders. Beggars can't be choosers, you know?

 

By the time you get 99 in f2p, you shouldn't have to fork over enough coin for membership just to get a strictly cosmetic reward...