NOT MUCH OF A DEBATE LOCK PLEASE

[Dark_History]

f2p should remain always and forever for the following reasons:

 

1. I've only been a member for 3 months; f2p is a great way to build up your character before making the switch. I built my guy up for 4 years (I know...)

 

2. The trial would destroy the economy from the inside. Coal and Iron prices would go to astronomic heights because a majority of miners are f2p. I don't feel like paying 300ea for Coal.

 

3. Little kids have just as much right to play RS as you and I do. An 11 year old probally doesn't have acess to a credit card. Why should your sugguestion rob them of hours of enjoyment.

 

 

 

In sumation, I think your comment was a very selfish and eleitest thing to say about f2p. How about you stop worring about yourself and let other people have a few hours of enjoyment.

 

 

 

i totally agree with you on point 3

[Pkmastachaos]

Free-trials are really a crappy idea. I've played in many free trials such as WoW, LOTRO, and many others. All of which were less then a month I'll add, and it just does not give you any time to really grasp the game.

 

 

 

Sure you may experience the beginner lands, which the developers specifically spruce up alot just to get you thinking 'Wow, this game is something I'd love to play' but afterwords, just ends up to be crap.

 

 

 

An AMAZING example is Dark and Light. Complete and utter crap. No two words about it. (I and many others truly looked forward to the game, but they we're only really selling eye candy in the end, and still are. STAY AWAY FROM THAT GAME! (I did not buy it by the way, thank god) :evil:

 

 

 

The free version of Runescape is like the advertisements of any store out in the world. If they didn't continually let the people know what they sold or what they were like, no one would probably go there. Runescape is generally the same idea, without the free version being an 'advertisement' I guarantee the members version would be no where as large as it is to this current day.

[Benny_4]

 

The free version of Runescape is like the advertisements of any store out in the world. If they didn't continually let the people know what they sold or what they were like, no one would probably go there. Runescape is generally the same idea, without the free version being an 'advertisement' I guarantee the members version would be no where as large as it is to this current day.

 

 

 

I agree. I decided to become a member while I was banking one day. It also occoured while I was crafting one day. f2p is a method of attraction "advertisements" for p2p. Simple buisness. That's what Jagex is... a buisness. People forget this.

[Latinoking]

If you intend of calling me selfish I am going to be force to ask to lock this thread. I will not tolerate flaming towards me and I just wanted to debate no need to act like I'm a punk or something.

[Toxicologist]

I understand what you guys are saying but can some tell me how WOW only has a 1 week trial yet they have more members then runescape?

 

 

 

Heck, I've had friends who play that 1 week and now have quit Runescape and these were really good Runescape Players.

 

 

 

Because WoW is, in every way, a much better game, developed by one of the most prestigious gaming companies on the planet? Seriously, use your brain.

 

 

 

And in response I would like to ask you: if Runescape became a time limited free trial, does that mean memberships will suddenly skyrocket, and Runescape will dethrone WoW or something? You seem to be implying that the reason for WoW's success is a time limited free trial there.

[aoe325]

F2P is not a demon, F2P IS Runescape, P2P is an (Huge) expansion to Runescape.

 

It cant get more simple.

[highlanders]

I believe the reason those p2p games have a limited trial is because they cannot afford people not paying for the game for prolonged periods of time. Imo, Rs having an unlimited f2p version is an advantage, they can afford it.

[ianer101]

F2P is not a demon, F2P IS Runescape, P2P is an (Huge) expansion to Runescape.

 

It cant get more simple.

OK, I know you meant that F2P isn't a demo. IMO F2P is a demo, because a demo is a demonstration. F2P is a demo of how good P2P can be.

 

F2P IS Runescape, P2P is an (Huge) expansion to Runescape.

F2P is not Runescape. What would P2P be then? F2P+P2P=Runescape; one cannot function properly without the other.

 

 

 

In conclusion, F2P is (contrary to popular belief) a demon. Err, I mean demo.

[Moonshadow]

No, this is one of the most idiotic ideas ever. And, there are some people who come from miniclip that are good. Trust me, I have a few who are friends of mine.

 

 

 

If you make it a 30 day trial, I would have never even bothered to have considered members. This would also lead to a huge shortage of members too because they would have never got into the game as f2p.

 

 

 

Oh, on another note, F2P is partially a demo, but it is not just that, it has evolved into a whole other side of the game. F2P and P2P contribute to the game. A Demo doesn't get updated at all and it almost always has a big 30 day trial sticker slapped on it.

[Toxicologist]

F2P is not a demon, F2P IS Runescape, P2P is an (Huge) expansion to Runescape.

 

It cant get more simple.

OK, I know you meant that F2P isn't a demo. IMO F2P is a demo, because a demo is a demonstration. F2P is a demo of how good P2P can be.

 

F2P IS Runescape, P2P is an (Huge) expansion to Runescape.

F2P is not Runescape. What would P2P be then? F2P+P2P=Runescape; one cannot function properly without the other.

 

 

 

In conclusion, F2P is (contrary to popular belief) a demon. Err, I mean demo.

 

 

 

F2P came before P2P. P2P started off as an expanded F2P. F2P has F2P only moderators. Though technically, by your definition, F2P is a "demo", as a result of the constant evolution of P2P and the stagnancy of F2P, as well as JAGeX's gradual shift of focus from fun to money; it was not meant to be in the start and is not treated like one by JAGeX, if you disregard the technicalities.

 

 

 

Second point. You mentioned "one cannot function properly without the other". Last time I checked, most games with demos can function pretty well without their demos. Also, considering the F2P can carry over directly to P2P, and P2P can be downgraded directly to F2P, I find F2P's non-technical resemblance to a demo to be quite small. Like you said, however; "one cannot function properly without the other". F2P and P2P are closely interlinked. So no, F2P is, as a generalisation, not a demo.

[Solidus_77]

It's going to take quite a few promises/good grades/effort to get parents to buy membership for an online game

 

 

 

Sorry but that's how it should be anyways. I have to pay myself, maintain above average grades (in advanced classes ) and overall keep my act together to keep my membership. Someone shouldn't get membership if it causes a lack in grades/study time.

 

 

 

And I think the trial should end in 6 months. I'm tired of seeing "f2p fo lyfe!" and "im f2p, I play in hard mode and members are just lazy noobs." I've seen this several times in game and even on these forums :-# . F2p shouldn't be treated specially and think they should be treated specially.

 

 

 

NOTE:I know all f2pers arn't like this. I'm just saying A LOT of them are.

 

 

 

Ok first of all, don't get me wrong I am not saying that parents are too strict when not allowing their child membership. I was just saying that that is main reason why some people don't get membership. I do, in fact, perfectly understand how some parents wouldn't want their kids doing this. MMORPGs have the tendency to consume your time more than any other styles of games, as well as "trust a random company with your credit card number" thing. It's quite reasonable for a parent to just say "I don't want you playing this game even more than you do now" and I wouldn't be surprised if others have heard that one.

 

 

 

Anyways this is, or at least I think this is, the main reason why some f2pers don't get membership.

 

 

 

second of all, about the whole "proud to be f2p" sure, they are showing a remarkable amount of self control, that's good but it crosses the line when they show jealously towards members and say "members are people who waste their money, what idiots" or stuff like that.

 

 

 

If you intend of calling me selfish I am going to be force to ask to lock this thread. I will not tolerate flaming towards me and I just wanted to debate no need to act like I'm a punk or something.

 

 

 

You could start by actually coming up with some decent arguments to respond to pretty much everyone else who is telling you what the problems are with this horrible idea.

[Toxicologist]

If you intend of calling me selfish I am going to be force to ask to lock this thread. I will not tolerate flaming towards me and I just wanted to debate no need to act like I'm a punk or something.

 

 

 

You could start by actually coming up with some decent arguments to respond to pretty much everyone else who is telling you what the problems are with this horrible idea.

 

 

 

Seconded. How do you expect to start a debate when you yourself don't really contribute all that much to it?

[Pan_Nx]

That would be awful.

[faisalhype]

i would disagree because if it was a 30 day trial, then there would be to much un-experienced players in members world. personally i think that its good to go on to members when you are experienced and you know what you are doing in runescape. on the other hand, games that you need instant buying tend to have less immature players..

[Toxicologist]

I doubt JAGeX would care about the quality of the community more than cash. F2P for them is an effective marketing stragety, and I believe they intend to keep it.

[blosssom2581]

I absolutely disagree (yeah, I'm f2p & sure I'll say no)

 

 

 

Because

 

(1) Who helps you to gather materials if f2p turns to a demo or even cease to exist? Do p2p helps you to gather 10k feather and sells you for 65k? NO! Should f2p become a demo, steel bars supply will be hugely affected, and cannonball will become a awful business. Futhermore, who do p2p sell their rune armor to? silly, of course f2p members. Again, economy will be servely affected if f2p turns to be a trial

 

 

 

(2) If so, the advertisement cost definitely pops up. What makes Runescape a valuable game is due to its f2p gameplay. Without that, oh, the number of registered players must fall like a stone (at least a 50% loss)

 

 

 

(3) Outrage will definitely happen if Jagex even turn f2p to trial version. f2p players have tasted the sweetness of high level and enjoyed the game. If we take away that, oh no, runescape may even collapse, and the opposition sound will be much greater than the SS ban in January or the legalization of luring in March.

[Guest loXer1]

No, no, no. Most of you don't understand, that Jagex makes money off ad's either, not only membership. Also, p2p market will be affected and runescape will loose most of it's players... And what about f2p pking. What will happen to clan-world ? I am personaly member and i have been p2p for ages with many different accounts. If my membership runs out and i can't update it immidietly i can allways do something on f2p, without that option many players will quit. And f2p IS NOT DEMO! P2p is extension to f2p. Also, i presonally hate gembers, greedy members, people hwo think that f2p should be destroyed etc. Hwo think that f2p shouldn't get updates, rofl, if f2p will get 2 more bank rows, how many members will jagex lose ? 0, yes zero! There are tons of advantages of being p2p. Many people can't afford p2p or just doesn't trust jagex enough ( i don't understand them, if they can see, that there are MILLION members out there and huge community, ok if they don't trust the pay by credit card option there are alternatives like E-gold ), or even don't want to subscribe, because they want to accomplish their f2p goals, like reaching top #1 f2p total...

[i_trollz_u]

If i only played for 30 days i don't think i would be very interested in the game. I played for months before becomeing a member

[Primeaction]

I highly disagree with this.

 

 

 

1. I dont think you can enjoy everything runescape has to offer as f2p in 30 days. If you cant see everything in f2p, why would u wanna pay to find out that and all of p2p?

 

 

 

2. Little kids are still gonna come whether u like it or not.

 

 

 

3. People will still be f2p, but not alot of them will be. There are some f2p'ers that really like to play the game at its fullest (to their extent). They like working on their skills and stuff like that. There are also f2p'ers that just use f2p accounts for pures and hybrids, mainly wildy fighting. I think that most if not all of f2p will be pures or hybrids with this 30 day trial thing and after the thirty days, if you come up with a really good account, all your hard work is lost. :cry: That would just make someone stay away from the game.

 

 

 

4. Finally, it would kill jagex. They would still make money, but probably little profit if any. Jagex is a company and companies wanna make money. That is all they care about.

 

 

 

'Nuff Said

[Toxicologist]

Can we stop whipping a dead horse and leave this thread alone? The author has long since ran away.

[eias]

of course no..

 

30 days it's like full membership for a month which costs 5-10dollars

 

so if F2P really wants to play P2P they just have to pay for it like we did

 

Anyway f2p is meant to be The Demo for the game so you like the game you buy it

[Fairness]

Can we stop whipping a dead horse and leave this thread alone? The author has long since ran away.

 

First look at this statement, and then look at your post again and realise that F2p has grown out of its demo role. As someone on this forum said, "Full games should be able to get by without a demo. RuneScape can't, so F2p can't be a demo." or something like that.

[blakdragon39]

No way. I never would have got members if I only had 30 days. Some people have to haggle their parents into allowing them to buy it :P Took me much longer than 30 days....

 

 

 

Jagex would be out so much money, as in 30 days, I don't think I even knew about members #-o But yes... just no. Defenitly not.

 

 

 

Thank you for reading my incredibly repetitive post :thumbsup:

[newb4lyfe7]

This would effect p2p players a lot as well because a lot of f2p players wouldn't be there to buy things from them and after about a month all of the f2p players would be low level and without cash, so they would probably become members or quit. I'd like to point out that the majority of players on Runescape are f2p, so this would empty out the game by a ton and leave the people that members call "noob". Members would probably start to quit because they don't make as much money so they can't do as much stuff in the game.

 

 

 

I know a lot of people who say they have played most of their Runescape as a f2p player, and then maybe a year ago decided to become a member, and those kinds of people stay loyal for longer times to Jagex. I'm sure jagex has thought of the idea at least once before, but by the look of thing they didn't like it, or never saw it.

[rareghoul1]

f2p is a demo, it has all the characteristics of a demo. it is limited to what you can do, buying the game will give you more. you never have to pay for a demo. that is why making a time limit for f2p is a bad idea, the only demo that has a time limit is AOL, and AOL sucks :lol: