Experienced the worst

 

national security failure in

 

its history

 

 

 

Let's see... maybe that's because this was the first time anyone ever tried to hijack planes and crash them into buildings in the US?

 

 

 

Reversed the greatest

 

period of prosperity in its

 

history

 

 

 

Let's try not to forget the dot com bubble burst and 9/11. Is it Bush's fault that because of 9/11, businesses that were located in the World Trade Center were cripped, due to losing their offices and employees? Is it Bush's fault that people did not want to fly, causing the airlines to suffer? Is it Bush's fault that tourism-related industries (amusment parks, hotels, resorts) would be negatively affected because tourists are unwilling to fly? Is it Bush's fault that it costs money to pay for workers to move the debree from two 100+ story buildings?

 

 

 

Depleted the largest fiscal

 

surplus in its history

 

 

 

Recovery from 9/11, paying for a war, restoration in areas affected by Hurricane Katrina.

 

 

 

Created the largest deficit in

 

its history

 

 

 

Because we can't just have disasters happen and not clean them up, can we?

 

 

 

Lost the most jobs during a

 

single presidential term in

 

its history

 

 

 

My guess would be that that statement is incorrect. Don't you think that more people would've lost jobs during the Great Depression? Herbert Hoover was a President, was he not?

 

 

 

Invaded and occupied a

 

nation that did not harm or

 

threaten the US for the first

 

time in history.

 

 

 

You phail. What about when we invaded and overthrew LiliÃÆàÃâûuokalani, the queen of Hawaii, in 1893? What about when we caused a revolution in Panama because we knew that the new government would allow us to build a canal? What about the Persian Gulf War?

 

 

 

Denied the public access to

 

more information than any

 

other time in its history.

 

 

 

No, and your statement is an opinion.

 

 

 

Appointed more convicted

 

felons to government posts

 

than any other president in

 

history

 

 

 

Proof?

 

 

 

Held more people captive

 

without Constitutional

 

rights than at any other time

 

in its history

 

 

 

Proof?

 

 

 

Proposed a Constitutional

 

change that would take

 

away civil rights for the first

 

time in its history

 

 

 

Proof?

 

 

 

Insulted and alienated more

 

of itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s allies than ever

 

before in its history

 

 

 

Opinion?

 

 

 

Lost the respect of more

 

people around the world

 

than ever before in its

 

history

 

 

 

You're a [developmentally delayed]?

 

 

 

Replaced more science with

 

religious ideology than at

 

any at other time in its

 

history

 

 

 

You can't replace science, it's still there.

 

 

 

Divided the nation and the

 

people of the world like

 

never before in its history

 

 

 

No, that would have been during slavery, where the people of the US were split between whether to abolish slavery or not.

 

 

 

Fostered a global climate

 

based on fear and hatred

 

not seen on this planet

 

since the Nazi regime

 

 

 

No. Not even close.

 

"Proposed a Constitutional

 

change that would take

 

away civil rights for the first

 

time in its history "

 

 

 

 

 

just wondering, what did he try to take away?

 

He already took away habeus corpus.

 

He basically abolished the fifth amendment, being able to outlaw anti-war protests.

 

I could go on listing things, but his perspective on the constitution speaks volumes. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper."

 

 

 

Honestly it's not even debatable whether or not Bush was a failure or not. Bartoron, nice effort trying to refute those points. I'd love to refute yours, but it would be a waste of time. The evidence is plain and out there to see. If the catastrophic failure he's already been hasn't been enough reason, what would it take from him to lose your faith in him? The 25% of people in this nation who support Bush still are lost. They're the same 25% of the nation who have blind enough faith to believe, as a poll showed, that this year, not in their lifetime, but this year, will be the year Jesus returns. If that many people can believe that, I'm not surprised at all Bush still has support out there.

Its funny how you say all the bad stuff that Bush did, but you never said anything good he did.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but if I'm just stating the fact that this is the man 53~54 Million people voted for...He better do something good!

 

 

 

and please, if you truly believe how he's a good president, give me a list that opposes that..and come on, how can someone that did that much damage is liked?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

If Someone has a great personality, and is known to be a good person, but then shoots his neighbor in the head...because he was drunk..would you remember him for being the "great personality" or the fact that he shot a freaking bullet on a person's head. (sorry, the only thing I can come up in these few seconds)

 

 

 

One big reason is he guided us through 9/11 , that was a very tough time for all Americans, and Bush did an EXCELLENT job of doing that.

 

 

 

What also pisses me off is when people, who are old enough to vote, choose NOT to vote, then they start complaining that "this president is doing a horrible job", well you should honestly keep your mouth shut, since if you choose not to vote, you have to right to complain.

 

 

 

I have this rather lengthy email I received

 

 

 

If you're not a Jay Leno fan read what he wrote anyway. My respect and esteem for him has really increased. "The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

 

 

 

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

 

 

 

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

 

 

 

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

 

 

 

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

 

 

 

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

 

 

 

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

 

 

 

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

 

 

 

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

 

 

 

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

 

 

 

Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

 

 

 

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

 

 

 

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!

 

 

 

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off

 

the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

 

 

 

We are among the most blessed peoples on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."

 

 

 

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

 

 

 

Jay Leno

 

 

 

 

 

Then again some points here have to do with Religious aspects, I'm not saying anything to anyone, I just simply posted something that I thought, some people should read.

 

 

 

If you don't like it, just don't flame me, again I'll stress,

 

 

 

This is an email I received, and I thought it had some good points to it.

 

 

 

If you disagree with this, you can go ahead and PM me about it, I don't want to get this thread locked.

 

 

 

So basically ur saiyng you LOVE bush and support him? Pathetic, the guy who posted this tells you all the bad thinsg hes done, u say hes got some good? tell me? " Guided throu 9/11 " Oh what a great job he did, saying " GOd bless america " At the end of every speech, stupid gorilla.

Reversed the greatest

 

period of prosperity in its

 

history

 

 

 

record highs in the stock market

 

 

 

Mabie this topic should be locked, I don't see much good conversation coming from it.

So basically ur saiyng you LOVE bush and support him? Pathetic, the guy who posted this tells you all the bad thinsg hes done, u say hes got some good? tell me? " Guided throu 9/11 " Oh what a great job he did, saying " GOd bless america " At the end of every speech, stupid gorilla.

 

So I take it you're another one of those people who hates Bush for no good reason?

 

 

 

God forbid that someone should say he's not a complete idiot and failure of a president, because then they're a Bush lover and want to lick all his black shirts clean.

 

Invaded and occupied a

 

nation that did not harm or

 

threaten the US for the first

 

time in history.

 

 

 

 

Ehh this is a touchy claim. McKinley's invasion of the Phillipines skirts the line of invasion (although it was politically executed first and militarily later).

 

 

 

Forcible removal of the Cherokees from "Cherokee Nation" in Georgia doesn't exactly fit the bill but it also is an example of unprovoked aggression.

 

 

 

The invasion of Panama in 89 by Bush Sr. comes close also, but the evidence is a little sketchy on this issue. Like father, like son, eh? "Defending and promoting democracy..." All that idealism was used to justify this one too.

 

 

 

Thankfully we are free of many examples of blatant invasion, and certainly Iraq and Afghanistan stand out as two direct, preemptive invasions, but I don't think they are entirely unprecedented.

Its funny how you say all the bad stuff that Bush did, but you never said anything good he did.

 

 

 

He did something good? :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

My opinion:

 

 

 

Bush= :^o

 

 

 

Edit:

 

 

 

First: A few bumper stickers:

 

 

 

"Be nice to America, or we'll bring democracy to YOU'RE Country!"

 

 

 

"Well, at least the war on the middle class is going well..."

 

 

 

"Can you impeach someone who wasn't elected in the first place?"

 

 

 

Also, in response to someone who mentioned the Civil War, no, it was not about slaves, not until Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, and then it was, IN PART about slavery. What the war actually was about was taxes.

Its funny how you say all the bad stuff that Bush did, but you never said anything good he did.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but if I'm just stating the fact that this is the man 53~54 Million people voted for...He better do something good!

 

 

 

and please, if you truly believe how he's a good president, give me a list that opposes that..and come on, how can someone that did that much damage is liked?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example:

 

If Someone has a great personality, and is known to be a good person, but then shoots his neighbor in the head...because he was drunk..would you remember him for being the "great personality" or the fact that he shot a freaking bullet on a person's head. (sorry, the only thing I can come up in these few seconds)

 

 

 

One big reason is he guided us through 9/11 , that was a very tough time for all Americans, and Bush did an EXCELLENT job of doing that.

 

 

 

What also pisses me off is when people, who are old enough to vote, choose NOT to vote, then they start complaining that "this president is doing a horrible job", well you should honestly keep your mouth shut, since if you choose not to vote, you have to right to complain.

 

 

 

I have this rather lengthy email I received

 

 

 

If you're not a Jay Leno fan read what he wrote anyway. My respect and esteem for him has really increased. "The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

 

 

 

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

 

 

 

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

 

 

 

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

 

 

 

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

 

 

 

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

 

 

 

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

 

 

 

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

 

 

 

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

 

 

 

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

 

 

 

Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

 

 

 

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

 

 

 

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!

 

 

 

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off

 

the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

 

 

 

We are among the most blessed peoples on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."

 

 

 

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

 

 

 

Jay Leno

 

 

 

 

 

Then again some points here have to do with Religious aspects, I'm not saying anything to anyone, I just simply posted something that I thought, some people should read.

 

 

 

If you don't like it, just don't flame me, again I'll stress,

 

 

 

This is an email I received, and I thought it had some good points to it.

 

 

 

If you disagree with this, you can go ahead and PM me about it, I don't want to get this thread locked.

 

 

 

Whoever wrote that e-mail is perhaps the most cool-headed, most amazing people ever. Honestly. Here's an e-mail I've been sent as well.

 

 

 

All the people that wake up full of anger, then storm outside with their signs and shirts complaining about the current government are, in essence, spoiled children. Much of the world would kill just for running water...Oh wait, they do, while we often waste the same amount of water in a day that a village in Africa gets in a month. They protest the war after hearing about another hundred troops dead, or that one of a million went insane and killed a civilian. So the other 999,999 are blamed, prejudiced against, and in general hated. The media doesn't show the pictures of soldiers jumping in front of a civilian to save them from an insurgent's bullet, then dying in the street as the family says prayers to their God, thanking Him for sending such a brave man to their aid. We talk bad about our friends when they're not near us, while many soldiers know they might not see their buddies again. We roll our eyes, and try to keep a crying baby quiet, while that guy in the hangar-as well as his buddies-bawl over a recording of his child crying.

 

We're pissed when something runs 5 minutes late, but when a soldier is told he's going to be in Iraq another two months, he quietly thinks about his family and friends back here in the States, and wonders if he'll ever see them again. He sees his best friend's blood spattered along the road, but he just picks him up and keeps going.

 

 

 

This really made me think. And I think every bit of it is true. Go ahead and flame me, whatever. I won't really care. I've saved this e-mail, and plan on putting it on a poster, which I'll hang on my wall, to look at every day. I find it inspirational, but others might not, but those faceless soldiers are fighting for their right to not care, and-more importantly- for the people of Iraq's right to not care. And now, I bid you adieu.

Its funny how you say all the bad stuff that Bush did, but you never said anything good he did.

 

 

 

He did something good? :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

My opinion:

 

 

 

Bush= :^o

 

 

 

Edit:

 

 

 

First: A few bumper stickers:

 

 

 

"Be nice to America, or we'll bring democracy to YOU'RE Country!"

 

 

 

"Well, at least the war on the middle class is going well..."

 

 

 

"Can you impeach someone who wasn't elected in the first place?"

 

 

 

Also, in response to someone who mentioned the Civil War, no, it was not about slaves, not until Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, and then it was, IN PART about slavery. What the war actually was about was taxes.

 

Let's list a couple good things he did...

 

1. Walked the country through 9/11

 

2. Has ended a massive genocide (Saddam Hussein)

 

 

 

And there was one very large, very good thing George Bush Senior did.

 

Somalia. There was very little open warfare during his Presidancy, and he helped organize peace operations with NATO, delivering food to villages as well as defending them from the Habr Gedir militia that often killed to steal said food.

 

 

 

I'm sure everything I've said will have a counter argument, which I hope will be actual fact or reason, and not "U say big words. Haha u dum!"

So basically ur saiyng you LOVE bush and support him? Pathetic, the guy who posted this tells you all the bad thinsg hes done, u say hes got some good? tell me? " Guided throu 9/11 " Oh what a great job he did, saying " GOd bless america " At the end of every speech, stupid gorilla.

 

You know, I don't love Bush but he's nowhere near as bad as you and many other people make him sound. If he were really as bad as you say, we either wouldn't be a stable country anymore or he would've been thrown out of office a long time ago. You see, the media tells people like you and I all the bad things he's done. That's all they tell you. It's people like you that soak it up like a sponge and figure that he's all bad. What would people think of you if they only knew every bad aspect of your life and weren't told anything good about you? I don't think they would think very highly of you.

 

You know, I don't love Bush but he's nowhere near as bad as you and many other people make him sound. If he were really as bad as you say, we either wouldn't be a stable country anymore or he would've been thrown out of office a long time ago. You see, the media tells people like you and I all the bad things he's done. That's all they tell you.

 

 

 

No, see, even if he was the worst president ever we'd still be a stable country because of CHECKS AND BALANCES. Thank God for an inept Congress and a rigid Supreme Court (for the most part, although he's been manipulating both lately...)

 

 

 

I understand that the media portrays Bush in a negative light all the time (although I don't recall them railing on Clinton every day, Monica scandal aside), but I have to ask what he's done that's positive in his presidency? You and bartoron have insisted that he's not that bad, but I have to ask, is he that good? No Child Left Behind Failed, PATRIOT Act nearly incited riots about our civil liberties, Abramoff pulled a fast one that has just recently been rectified (more Congress' issue I suppose), Bolton has raised cain at the UN, Social Security plan failed, guest worker plan died -- basically Bush has failed to bring about bipartisan legislation since the Iraq war. That's not the mark of a strong leader, or a good president.

 

 

 

(Whatever, you've probably already picked a side)

 

 

 

To bartoron:

 

 

 

Yes, 9/11 was out of his control, but what about the loss in our hegemony? What about our trade relations (I'm referring to CAFTA here) that have brought doom and gloom to American farmers?

 

 

 

You make an incredible number of incorrect assertions. I'm trying to stay friendly here, but I'm serious - check your facts, learn your history, and please, please read the news. For one, flights being used to crash into buildings in the US are not unprecedented at all. '79 American Airlines, '85 TWA, and most notably, '94 FedEx mail flight. And, across the rest of the world there have been dozens of 9/11-like attacks in the last thirty years.

 

 

 

You, like the Administration, consistently refer back to 9/11 as the causality of our recent economic troubles. It's been six years. Mutual funds and hedge funds are growing at an unprecedented rate, and have been since '04. Even if you don't pay a lot of attention to the news, you may have heard that the Dow reached an all-time high earlier this month. Investor confidence is back, businesses are rolling again, but....

 

 

 

WE

 

 

 

KEEP

 

 

 

RUNNING

 

 

 

A

 

 

 

LARGER

 

 

 

AND

 

 

 

LARGER

 

 

 

DEFICIT

 

 

 

.

 

 

 

Explain that to me, and I'll concede.

 

 

 

I try my hardest not to be like other Bush-bashers -- I read the news carefully, I've followed a lot of his policies (as I hope this post shows), I've evaluated them and their success, and there's not much to be found (which is why I take the position I do; against him), and I'm a little angry that you can lambaste everyone who criticizes Bush without even thinking about half of these things.

 

 

 

But most of all, as Bush's second term comes to a close, I struggle to find his place in history. If asked the question, "What was the greatest contribution/legacy of George W. Bush?", I will not be able to answer.

 

 

 

Maybe it's too early to tell. Or not.

So basically ur saiyng you LOVE bush and support him? Pathetic, the guy who posted this tells you all the bad thinsg hes done, u say hes got some good? tell me? " Guided throu 9/11 " Oh what a great job he did, saying " GOd bless america " At the end of every speech, stupid gorilla.

 

You know, I don't love Bush but he's nowhere near as bad as you and many other people make him sound. If he were really as bad as you say, we either wouldn't be a stable country anymore or he would've been thrown out of office a long time ago.

 

The democrats would have had him impeached awhile ago. Unfortunately they can't try because then the republicans running in '08 would be able to alienate their party from Bush's failures, so the Democrats need Bush to stay in office.

 

You know, I don't love Bush but he's nowhere near as bad as you and many other people make him sound. If he were really as bad as you say, we either wouldn't be a stable country anymore or he would've been thrown out of office a long time ago. You see, the media tells people like you and I all the bad things he's done. That's all they tell you.

 

 

 

No, see, even if he was the worst president ever we'd still be a stable country because of CHECKS AND BALANCES. Thank God for an inept Congress and a rigid Supreme Court (for the most part, although he's been manipulating both lately...)

 

 

 

I understand that the media portrays Bush in a negative light all the time (although I don't recall them railing on Clinton every day, Monica scandal aside), but I have to ask what he's done that's positive in his presidency? You and bartoron have insisted that he's not that bad, but I have to ask, is he that good? No Child Left Behind Failed, PATRIOT Act nearly incited riots about our civil liberties, Abramoff pulled a fast one that has just recently been rectified (more Congress' issue I suppose), Bolton has raised cain at the UN, Social Security plan failed, guest worker plan died -- basically Bush has failed to bring about bipartisan legislation since the Iraq war. That's not the mark of a strong leader, or a good president.

 

 

 

(Whatever, you've probably already picked a side)

 

 

 

To bartoron:

 

 

 

Yes, 9/11 was out of his control, but what about the loss in our hegemony? What about our trade relations (I'm referring to CAFTA here) that have brought doom and gloom to American farmers?

 

 

 

You make an incredible number of incorrect assertions. I'm trying to stay friendly here, but I'm serious - check your facts, learn your history, and please, please read the news. For one, flights being used to crash into buildings in the US are not unprecedented at all. '79 American Airlines, '85 TWA, and most notably, '94 FedEx mail flight. And, across the rest of the world there have been dozens of 9/11-like attacks in the last thirty years.

 

 

 

You, like the Administration, consistently refer back to 9/11 as the causality of our recent economic troubles. It's been six years. Mutual funds and hedge funds are growing at an unprecedented rate, and have been since '04. Even if you don't pay a lot of attention to the news, you may have heard that the Dow reached an all-time high earlier this month. Investor confidence is back, businesses are rolling again, but....

 

 

 

WE

 

 

 

KEEP

 

 

 

RUNNING

 

 

 

A

 

 

 

LARGER

 

 

 

AND

 

 

 

LARGER

 

 

 

DEFICIT

 

 

 

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Explain that to me, and I'll concede.

 

 

 

I try my hardest not to be like other Bush-bashers -- I read the news carefully, I've followed a lot of his policies (as I hope this post shows), I've evaluated them and their success, and there's not much to be found (which is why I take the position I do; against him), and I'm a little angry that you can lambaste everyone who criticizes Bush without even thinking about half of these things.

 

 

 

But most of all, as Bush's second term comes to a close, I struggle to find his place in history. If asked the question, "What was the greatest contribution/legacy of George W. Bush?", I will not be able to answer.

 

 

 

Maybe it's too early to tell. Or not.

 

 

 

How about freeing an entire nation from a dictatorship, and clearing the path to be paved for future leaders to join in against the war on terrorism?

Everyone here is so damn hypocritical. 2/3rds of you couldn't even be the president of a sewing club let alone a entire country.

 

How about freeing an entire nation from a dictatorship

 

Did I miss it? When did we win the war? You can't say that until we pull out and democracy actually stays.

 

 

 

clearing the path to be paved for future leaders to join in against the war on terrorism?

 

Enough with terrorism and fear mongering. It's an issue but it should not be the forefront one. This war on terrorism shpeal should have been dropped a long time ago. There will always be people who hate our country but if we elect another leader like Bush, maybe and hopefully not Guiliani, this never ending war on terror will just get more and more out of hand.

 

 

 

This climate of fear is so unnecessary. We don't need to be constantly told what the chance of a terrorist act each day is with that alert system. It'll be unfortunate if another terrorist attack occurs, obviously, but it's not an issue the country should be pouring so much tax into and this national obsession just needs to end so we can focus on actually advancing this country.

The 'war on terror' and Iraq as a whole did nothing but increase the likelyhood of terrorist attacks against "the west". Nice work there I must admit. At least Australia is generally at the bottom of the 'countries to hit' list even after being dragged into the Iraq war.

The 'war on terror' and Iraq as a whole did nothing but increase the likelyhood of terrorist attacks against "the west". Nice work there I must admit. At least Australia is generally at the bottom of the 'countries to hit' list even after being dragged into the Iraq war.

 

 

 

The name of the war is Operation Iraqi Freedom for those that didn't know.

 

 

 

You are missing the whole picture. Yes, as of now, America might be more likely to get attacked. But after fighting this war, and not letting up for years and years and years, the Iraqi children can grow up under the democracy that we've created for them. They can experience the American way of life (politically), and once they see it, they'll want to be a part of it, as opposed to joinin terrorism.

 

 

 

Just random thoughts, I'm currently a bit ""Under the Weather"" from pain pills you might say. I'm sure I'll read all my posts tomorrow and they'll all be new to me :D

When I talk about "the west" I refer to the coalition forces which took part in offensive action in Iraq to remove Hussien from power. Confining it to just America is stupid. A lot of countries now have targets on their backs because of a war they really never should've been part of, but essentially got bullied/pressured into it because of Bush.

 

 

 

Look at the UK - so many failed attempts, and some pretty bad hits themself. Catalyst? Being part of the "coalition of the willing". It's essentially only a matter of time before the rest of the countries which were part of it are hit, and hit hard.

 

 

 

And if they (Iraqi's) get the "American way of life" then I really do pity them. Personally I wouldn't be suprised if they wished for a dictatorship again when you take into consideration how screwed up - politically - America has become.

God I hate it when foreign people (Especially Australians) have no idea what they're talking about, and insult the government when they dont even live NEAR us.

 

You know, I don't love Bush but he's nowhere near as bad as you and many other people make him sound. If he were really as bad as you say, we either wouldn't be a stable country anymore or he would've been thrown out of office a long time ago. You see, the media tells people like you and I all the bad things he's done. That's all they tell you.

 

 

 

No, see, even if he was the worst president ever we'd still be a stable country because of CHECKS AND BALANCES. Thank God for an inept Congress and a rigid Supreme Court (for the most part, although he's been manipulating both lately...)

 

 

 

I understand that the media portrays Bush in a negative light all the time (although I don't recall them railing on Clinton every day, Monica scandal aside), but I have to ask what he's done that's positive in his presidency? You and bartoron have insisted that he's not that bad, but I have to ask, is he that good? No Child Left Behind Failed, PATRIOT Act nearly incited riots about our civil liberties, Abramoff pulled a fast one that has just recently been rectified (more Congress' issue I suppose), Bolton has raised cain at the UN, Social Security plan failed, guest worker plan died -- basically Bush has failed to bring about bipartisan legislation since the Iraq war. That's not the mark of a strong leader, or a good president.

 

 

 

(Whatever, you've probably already picked a side)

 

I'll just tell you right now that I'm not exactly sure of what he did that has benefited us. I'm 15 and though I'm old enough to find these things out, I really don't care. My family, however, talks about it and they talk about how they know he's done good. I trust my families' knowledge. Even my Grandma, who cannot stand Bush, admits that he's done a lot of good for this country. I also know that the media tends to point out everything bad because that's what America likes to hear about. I don't like Bush and, if I had the choice back in 2004, I would not have reelected him. Just because I don't like him, doesn't mean I'm going to allow myself to be so susceptible to what the media tells me that I only have one opinion; theirs. I think I'll withdraw myself from this argument as I've said everything I can. I've already stated that I don't care enough to get further involved to try and defend myself.

When I talk about "the west" I refer to the coalition forces which took part in offensive action in Iraq to remove Hussien from power. Confining it to just America is stupid. A lot of countries now have targets on their backs because of a war they really never should've been part of, but essentially got bullied/pressured into it because of Bush.

 

 

 

And if they (Iraqi's) get the "American way of life" then I really do pity them. Personally I wouldn't be suprised if they wished for a dictatorship again when you take into consideration how screwed up - politically - America has become.

 

 

 

 

 

The other nation's leaders were bullied by Bush? How do you figure that?

 

 

 

 

 

If you honestly believe that the Iraqi people were better off in a dictatorship, you really need to learn your facts. That's absolutely pathetic.

God I hate it when foreign people (Especially Australians) have no idea what they're talking about, and insult the government when they dont even live NEAR us.

 

We don't have to live there to realise your administration is crap.

 

 

 

Hell, you lot didn't have to live near Iraq to realise Saddam's administration was crap.

The other nation's leaders were bullied by Bush? How do you figure that?

 

I said pressued/bullied moron. Don't imply that I meant just one.

 

 

 

Howard, under massive pressure from Bush to get involved - money and trade talk in politics - he went against the majority of Australians and got involved in a war we never should've been part of.

 

 

 

If you honestly believe that the Iraqi people were better off in a dictatorship, you really need to learn your facts. That's absolutely pathetic.

I never said they were better off under Suddams Dictatorship, I just said they'd be better off like that than getting Democracy then have it slowly stripped away like is happening in America. They might as well starting having no rights, so to speak, than have them then have them removed piece at a time.

 

 

 

 

 

Reading comprehension actually works - think first before you reply.

God I hate it when foreign people (Especially Australians) have no idea what they're talking about, and insult the government when they dont even live NEAR us.

 

 

 

I'm certain that I'm closer to washington than you are.

 

 

 

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The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq

 

President George W. Bush on Nuclear Capabilities:

 

 

 

"I strongly believe he was trying to reconstitute his nuclear weapons program."

 

Source: President Bush, Prime Minister Blair Discuss War on Terrorism, White House (7/17/2003).

 

 

 

Explanation This statement was misleading because it failed to acknowledge the intelligence community's deep division on the issue of whether Iraq was actively pursuing its nuclear program. The statement also failed to mention weeks of intensive inspections conducted directly before the war in which United Nations inspectors found no sign whatsoever of any effort by Iraq to resume its nuclear program.

 

 

 

The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq

 

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

 

 

 

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents."

 

Source: President Talks to Troops in Qatar, White House (6/5/2003).

 

 

 

Explanation This statement was misleading because it claimed the purpose of the trailers was to produce biological weapons without disclosing that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency who examined the trailers concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq

 

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

 

 

 

"Here's what -- we've discovered a weapons system, biological labs, that Iraq denied she had, and labs that were prohibited under the U.N. resolutions."

 

Source: President Bush, Russian President Putin Sign Treaty of Moscow, White House (6/1/2003).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq

 

President George W. Bush on Chemical and Biological Weapons:

 

 

 

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

 

Source: Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, White House (5/29/2003).

 

 

 

Explanation This statement was misleading because it claimed the purpose of the trailers was to produce biological weapons without disclosing that engineers from the Defense Intelligence Agency who examined the trailers concluded that they were most likely used to produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq

 

President George W. Bush on Al-Qaeda:

 

 

 

"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed."

 

Source: President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003).

 

 

 

Explanation This statement was misleading because by referencing the September 11 attacks in conjunction with discussion of the war on terror in Iraq, it left the impression that Iraq was connected to September 11. In fact, President Bush himself in September 2003 acknowledged that "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

 

 

11 more pages same as above can be found here:

 

Analysis of Public Statements made by President George Bush

 

http://www.bushoniraq.com/bush1.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bush administration misled 50% of U.S citizens into believing that Iraq was responsible for 9-11...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: http://real----news.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

How to Create a Terrorist

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Take a happily married man with a couple of kids, a comfortable house, and a reasonable job.

 

2. Drop a bomb on his house while he is at work.

 

3. Tell this man his wife and kids are dead.

 

4. Let him see what remains of his house and family.

 

5. Bomb his workplace.

 

6. Destroy the infrastructure around him.

 

7. Give him some time to contemplate the circumstances of his life.

 

 

 

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When I talk about "the west" I refer to the coalition forces which took part in offensive action in Iraq to remove Hussien from power. Confining it to just America is stupid. A lot of countries now have targets on their backs because of a war they really never should've been part of, but essentially got bullied/pressured into it because of Bush.

 

 

 

Look at the UK - so many failed attempts, and some pretty bad hits themself. Catalyst? Being part of the "coalition of the willing". It's essentially only a matter of time before the rest of the countries which were part of it are hit, and hit hard.

 

 

 

And if they (Iraqi's) get the "American way of life" then I really do pity them. Personally I wouldn't be suprised if they wished for a dictatorship again when you take into consideration how screwed up - politically - America has become.

 

 

 

I was just going to bold the part that I agree with... but I agree with it all, so ya lol.