Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Suiblade]

Homosexuality is not a choice.

 

 

 

I believe it's a brain disorder, and they have no choice over it.

 

 

 

True. I believe it's a combination of a hormone and a brain disorder, or something of the likes.

 

 

 

With the above stated, I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals and I believe that they deserve to be treated exactly the same way as you would like to be treated. And finally, all you discriminists can burn painfully for or I care (no offence to any of you religious people).

[Ichimaru]

They're born like that, it's inherent, even when they are little children, a lot before they can consciously make that choice, they are different from the other children: likes/dislikes, voice, facial expression, etc. Besides, there is absolutely no logical basis to say that homosexuality is a bad thing, it has existed since a long time in human history. The christian Church doesn't like it, I don't know why, but whatever reason it is, it is not a reasonable, logical reason, it's pure intolerance.

[Nitramosma]

I'm gay. I wonder if you can guess my opinion on the subject from that.

[Denismage]

There's nothing wrong with it, it's not their fault they are gay, I bet many of males here have watched lesbian porn before and continue watching it, it's the same thing as gay porn except gay porn includes 2 men instead of 2 women, I know at least one of you will say something like "but watching girls do it is not disgusting and watching men do it is" so I'll answer right away: It's disgusting for you to watch 2 men making out because you are a straight male, it's programmed into you since birth. I know many girls who enjoy gay porn but think lesbian porn is disgusting.

 

I hope you get my point and I also hope my post isn't too explicit.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Why is Lesbian (girl that likes another girl) censored but gay isn't ?

[meol]

Why do all controversial topics end up with flames? Can't we simply respect each other and our own preferences and thoughts?

 

 

 

I, in my personal opinion, think that homosexuals are born that way. It'd make no sense if they decided on something that most people discriminate. Also, two males making out in a park/having sexual relationships/getting married. Are they harming anyone? Nope. then why should I hold a grudge against them?

 

Secondly, there's nothing immoral in being homosexual. It's immoral if you steal, it's immoral if you rape, it's immoral if you cheat on your wife, (in general, it's immoral to harm other being), it's not immoral to be in a loving relationship, be it homo- or heterosexual.

 

While I do believe in God as a higher power, I don't follow any set of doctrines like the Catholic one, and I don't believe in Him being creating the homosexuals as they are, yet sending them to hell for acting as they are supposed to.

 

 

 

Also, just so you know, AIDS is more likely to happen between promiscuous heterosexuals than two homosexuals that don't cheat to each other.

 

 

 

(Just for the record, I'm a straight guy)

[Edit] Lol, I'm gay actually.And I don't reallly believe in God any more.

Edited July 24, 2010 by meol

[GrimHams]

Personally i don't agree with the concept, i believe homosexuality to be immoral but that doesn't mean i'd have the right to say people shouldn't be gay. I don't believe people are born gay, i think they choose it as a lifestyle coming out of their upbringing, if you didn't want someone to turn out that way i think it could be stopped.

 

 

 

I could come out with the "its against human nature because humans are meant to keep the human race going" but in a world of gang violence, a bias media and immigrants overunning our countries being gay isn't something i'm strongly against.

[StrOwez]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

[assassin_696]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

 

 

 

Wikipedia it, not all homosexuals are born that way, a lot of them develop through upbringing and psychological experiences. But there are theories that some people are simply born that way as well.

[Satenza]

Whatever it is, it's an unconcious choice or you're born with it.

[Rainy_Day]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

 

 

 

Well to be honest, why would someone choose to be a homosexual anyway? They're subject to a lot of discrimination, so why would they willingly put themselves in that? :|

 

 

 

It just comes through being born that way or your upbringing. :-k

[Korskin]

Why do all controversial topics end up with flames? Can't we simply respect each other and our own preferences and thoughts?

 

 

 

I, in my personal opinion, think that homosexuals are born that way. It'd make no sense if they decided on something that most people discriminate. Also, two males making out in a park/having sexual relationships/getting married. Are they harming anyone? Nope. then why should I hold a grudge against them?

 

Secondly, there's nothing immoral in being homosexual. It's immoral if you steal, it's immoral if you rape, it's immoral if you cheat on your wife, (in general, it's immoral to harm other being), it's not immoral to be in a loving relationship, be it homo- or heterosexual.

 

While I do believe in God as a higher power, I don't follow any set of doctrines like the Catholic one, and I don't believe in Him being creating the homosexuals as they are, yet sending them to hell for acting as they are supposed to.

 

 

 

Also, just so you know, AIDS is more likely to happen between promiscuous heterosexuals than two homosexuals that don't cheat to each other.

 

 

 

(Just for the record, I'm a straight guy)

 

Homosexuals having sex contribute to increase the amount of sexually transmitted diseases. Not all of them but generally the more homosexuals having sex the more diseases. Could this be said about heterosexuals as well? Sure, why not unless they stick to the same partner their entire life. The difference is that heterosexual sex can lead to babies, which is a good thing. Homosexual sex doesn't do anything good except for temporary pleasure for those involved.

 

 

 

Why do you find stealing, cheating, harming and raping immoral? On what grounds do you call it immoral. Homosexuality is considered immoral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... _the_world in some countries. Homosexuality used to belong with stealing, raping etc. But lately things have changed and it's up for debate.

 

 

 

Homosexuality is not a work of God. He didn't create homosexuality, we did. We didn't want to obey God and decided to try our own path. God hates sin, therefore he hates homosexual acts. However, homosexuals are no different than heterosexuals, we're all humans. What's wrong is to act out our homosexuality, the same way it's wrong to steal, rape or cheat.

 

 

 

You can't really compare promiscuous heterosexuals with homosexuals that stays with one partner. Either you compare promiscuous heterosexuals with promiscuous homosexuals or heterosexuals and homosexuals that stay with one partner.

[assassin_696]

Homosexuals having sex contribute to increase the amount of sexually transmitted diseases. Not all of them but generally the more homosexuals having sex the more diseases.

 

 

 

How on earth does that logic work? There's a myth that all homosexuals have and spread AIDS, when in fact it's more common among heterosexual people. And how are they going to spread them to anybody except fellow homosexuals? Do you know what has spread more disease than all homosexuals combined? The Vatican's simple condemnation of condoms, most of Africa is so terrified to use condoms in case they burn in hell.

 

 

 

Could this be said about heterosexuals aswell? Sure, why not unless they stick to the same partner their entire life. The difference is that heterosexual sex can lead to babies, which is a good thing. Homosexuality doesn't do anything good except for temporary pleasure for those involved.

 

 

 

It sounds like you're advocating social Darwinism, i.e. encouraging anything that propogates the species and discouraging anything that doesn't. Are you saying that we should procreate as much as possible? I think we're a little beyond that now. What's so wrong with seeking personal pleasures? I'm sure you do it all the time. Besides, this world is overpopulated enough, babies are only "good" if they can be brought up in a loving family with support and care.

 

 

 

Why do you find stealing, cheating, harming and raping immoral? On what grounds do you call it immoral. Homosexuality is considered immoral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... _the_world in some countries. Homosexuality used to belong with stealing, raping etc. But lately things have changed and it's up for debate.

 

 

 

Cheating, harming, stealing and raping all damage society. Homosexuality doesn't. "Go figure". Homosexuality has only ever been a sin because of religion, it has no detriment to society.

 

 

 

Homosexuality is not a work of God. He didn't create homosexuality, we did. We didn't want to obey God and decided to try our own path. God hates sin, therefore he hates homosexual acts. However, homosexuals are no different than heterosexuals, we're all humans. What's wrong is to act out our homosexuality, the same way it's wrong to steal, rape or cheat.

 

 

 

I take it all the species of animal in which homosexuality has been observed are "rebelling" against God as well then? Except they can't, because they don't have free will to choose to rebel. Stop being so ignorant and look into the science of the matter, it's not a deliberate choice. Besides, God didn't create anything.

 

 

 

You can't really compare promiscuous heterosexuals with homosexuals that stays with one partner. Either you compare promiscuous heterosexuals with promiscuous homosexuals or heterosexuals and homosexuals that stays with one partner.

 

 

 

A fair point.

[Korskin]

How on earth does that logic work? There's a myth that all homosexuals have and spread AIDS, when in fact it's more common among heterosexual people. And how are they going to spread them to anybody except fellow homosexuals? Do you know what has spread more disease than all homosexuals combined? The Vatican's simple condemnation of condoms, most of Africa is so terrified to use condoms in case they burn in hell.

 

The logic works like this: More people having sex means more people having sex with more than one partner, resulting in spreading sexual diseases. I don't agree with the Vatican and I agree it's responsible for a lot of bad things.

 

It sounds like you're advocating social Darwinism, i.e. encouraging anything that propogates the species and discouraging anything that doesn't. Are you saying that we should procreate as much as possible? I think we're a little beyond that now. What's so wrong with seeking personal pleasures? I'm sure you do it all the time. Besides, this world is overpopulated enough, babies are only "good" if they can be brought up in a loving family with support and care.

 

I believe we should be fruitful and multiply as written in the Bible. I didn't say that seeking pleasure was wrong. It can be, but it's not always wrong. I think a baby is always a good thing.

 

Cheating, harming, stealing and raping all damage society. Homosexuality doesn't. "Go figure". Homosexuality has only ever been a sin because of religion, it has no detriment to society.

 

 

I think it does damage society. For the reason I mentioned first in my post. The society shouldn't encourage homosexuality the way it does today.

 

 

 

I take it all the species of animal in which homosexuality has been observed are "rebelling" against God as well then? Except they can't, because they don't have free will to choose to rebel. Stop being so ignorant and look into the science of the matter, it's not a deliberate choice. Besides, God didn't create anything.

 

I don't know if you can make that comparison. Jesus didn't come to earth to save all animals from hell. I'm talking about what God intended for us humans. The Bible isn't written for animals, it's written for man. But then again if I should speculate I suppose animals odd behaviour could be a result of human's fall as well.

[meol]

The logic works like this: More people having sex means more people having sex with more than one partner, resulting in spreading sexual diseases. I don't agree with the Vatican and I agree it's responsible for a lot of bad things.

 

Then, the actual danger is people having sex with more than one partner, independently of their sexual preference.

 

I believe we should be fruitful and multiply as written in the Bible. I didn't say that seeking pleasure was wrong. It can be, but it's not always wrong. I think a baby is always a good thing.

 

That doesn't mean you should always be striving to have a baby. Some straight couples choose not to have babies, priests don't have babies, homosexuals don't have babies. I'm not comparing them, I'm just saying that partaking in a relationship where there are no babies born doesn't have to be bad.

 

I think it does damage society. For the reason I mentioned first in my post. The society shouldn't encourage homosexuality the way it does today.

 

Homosexuality as a preference isn't what spreads STD's, promiscuity does (among other things). Not all homosexuals are promiscuous, and not all straight people aren't. My point in comparing promiscuous heterosexuals with homosexuals that stays with one partner is that the sexual preference and the promiscuity (and thus the ability to spread STD's) are completely unrelated to each other, and that it's the promiscuos, not the homosexual, who harms society.

[Korskin]

Then, the actual danger is people having sex with more than one partner, independently of their sexual preference.

 

Yes, that's pretty much what I said.

 

That doesn't mean you should always be striving to have a baby. Some straight couples choose not to have babies, priests don't have babies, homosexuals don't have babies. I'm not comparing them, I'm just saying that partaking in a relationship where there are no babies born doesn't have to be bad.

 

Don't strive to have a baby if you know it means more difficulties than you can handle.

 

Homosexuality as a preference isn't what spreads STD's, promiscuity does (among other things). Not all homosexuals are promiscuous, and not all straight people aren't. My point in comparing promiscuous heterosexuals with homosexuals that stays with one partner is that the sexual preference and the promiscuity (and thus the ability to spread STD's) are completely unrelated to each other, and that it's the promiscuos, not the homosexual, who harms society.

 

I somewhat agree, it's the promiscuity that hurts the society. But in general homosexual sex does more bad than it does good. Though I could just argue that the Bible says it's wrong and therefore it's immoral.

[meol]

Then, the actual danger is people having sex with more than one partner, independently of their sexual preference.

 

Yes, that's pretty much what I said.

 

Now we are slowly reaching consensus. Having agreed on that, promiscuity as an argument against homosexuality vanishes.

 

 

 

My main point is that homosexuals harm nobody more than heterosexuals, (although homosexuals don't discriminate heterosexuals :, and they help reduce overcrowding)

 

 

 

Religiously, it does seems illogical to debate, because following religion you follow a set of rules which you didn't affect by your own beliefs, and of course believe the same as the writers of these laws.

[insane]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

 

 

 

Wikipedia it, not all homosexuals are born that way, a lot of them develop through upbringing and psychological experiences. But there are theories that some people are simply born that way as well.

 

 

 

Most scientists agree that it is unlikely that there is a single "gay gene" that determines something as complex as a (homo)sexual orientation, and that it is more likely to be the result of an interaction of genetic, biological and environmental/cultural factors.

 

 

 

Note environmental/cultural as a combining factor.

[Defender2516]

Besides the Bible tell me is wrong, I believe what is right for the world is those things which produce life and those things that are wrong are those that produce death.

 

 

 

If everyone became Homosexual, we would all be extinct within the next 100 years or less. Also besides that, you can't really say homosexuality is "natural".

 

 

 

Now to YOU it may seem natural (and you should probably go get a doctor check up :-s ) but to most individuals, they would tell you it doesn't seem natural.

 

 

 

I have alot of friends who are homosexual, but it doesn't bug me as long as they don't hit on me. Most of them are usually very depressed intill they get back with the opposite gender. I'm basing this off my own experience other than "what the Bible said".

 

 

 

So it strengthens in my view that the Bible is correct on its view point. But remeber, thats just my view/opinion. Don't be a forum troll.

 

 

 

~Defender~

[indy500fan]

It's not right, it's not wrong. It just is.

[goldphishies]

So... which homosexual debate is this one? 10? 12?

 

 

 

Anywho, on-topic...

 

 

 

I personally think it is wrong, and am totally homophobic. I do not feel comfortable with another guy checking me out. I don't think it is right to have a sex change (God made you who you are, stay that way, IMO), and it's disgusting to think of 2 guys...well... :-X :-X

 

Women too. It's just...wrong. If the bible says homosexuality is a sin, then he wouldn't make people gay, they have to choose it.

 

 

 

Tidbit of info I heard on the radio- 3 in 10 Rams(male sheep) are gay, or something like that. I almost had wet myself, I lauged so hard...

[Poland_Ftw]

Sure you guys may think it's wrong, but as my sister told me the bible never said anything about homosexuals, and God knows what going to happen, and if he knew what was going to happen, then why the **** wouldn't he kill em and not let them live? I am a Catholic, and I find nothing wrong with homosexuals. They are just like the rest of us, but they have an attraction to the same gender. You guys hate em cause everyone else hates em. They wanna live there lives too, and not be pushed around cause they are gay.

[Zorro]

Really who cares? BIG DEAL! It's 2007.

[Satenza]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

 

 

 

Wikipedia it, not all homosexuals are born that way, a lot of them develop through upbringing and psychological experiences. But there are theories that some people are simply born that way as well.

 

 

 

Most scientists agree that it is unlikely that there is a single "gay gene" that determines something as complex as a (homo)sexual orientation, and that it is more likely to be the result of an interaction of genetic, biological and environmental/cultural factors.

 

 

 

Note environmental/cultural as a combining factor.

 

 

 

Still doesn't make it a choice however does it. Things affecting you subconciously cant be down to your own fault. So I fail to see why if it's not genetic or partically it makes any difference.

 

 

 

And Korskin, i don't see how heterosexual sex is inherentley good. Look at all the bad in the world - 800 million people go hungry each day, 6 million children die a year through malnutrition before they are 4. Surley the suffering of these children outweighs the risk of contracting sexual diseases. Infact i'd go as far to say that homosexual sex is better in as much as it affects only the parties involved, whereas heterosexual sex affects a possible third party. Speaking only in terms of possible suffering that is.

[xvillexvalox]

For people saying its a choice, do you wake up each morning and choose to be straight?

 

Do you choose to get aroused by members of the opposite sex?

 

Do you say to yourself each morning "I'm not going to be gay today, maybe tommorow."?

 

 

 

Think about it. :shame:

[warri0r45]

All the people who are saying homosexuals are born that way can you please give a source, cuz I had a look on google and can't find anything.

 

 

 

Wikipedia it, not all homosexuals are born that way, a lot of them develop through upbringing and psychological experiences. But there are theories that some people are simply born that way as well.

 

 

 

Most scientists agree that it is unlikely that there is a single "gay gene" that determines something as complex as a (homo)sexual orientation, and that it is more likely to be the result of an interaction of genetic, biological and environmental/cultural factors.

 

 

 

Note environmental/cultural as a combining factor.

 

 

 

Environmental factors play a role in any phenotypically expressed gene, which is all protien coding genes, as they are all, through thier translation products, exposed to an environment be it internal or external. In other words, I'm not surprised. I don't think that this makes it an easy endevour to just "switch sides."

 

 

 

Article on how easy it is to 'convert.'