Longsword Versus Scimitar

[failbait]

Personally, scimitar, with dds for spec. Did monkey madness specifically for d scimitar, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

[ladycai]

tbh I prefer Dragon Scim better because for PKing it helps against those prayer nubs. And I'm one of em lol

[Inuashakent]

Efficiency = Scimitar.

[Cacmypants]

yeah, Scimmi wins

 

 

 

I personally think it's just bad game design on Jagex's part, not making the longsword be on par with the scimmi.

 

 

 

O yeah... whatever you do - dont waste your cash on a d2h - bloody pathetic excuse for a weapon.

[Inuashakent]

yeah, Scimmi wins

 

 

 

I personally think it's just bad game design on Jagex's part, not making the longsword be on par with the scimmi.

 

 

 

O yeah... whatever you do - dont waste your cash on a d2h - bloody pathetic excuse for a weapon.

 

Along with the Battle axes, Maces, and many, many more! Seriously, although there has to be "useless" weapons... there just has to be.

 

 

 

You can't 100% balance a game completely.

[Owned_Nex]

It is not speed that is what makes a weapon good, nor is it power. A dagger is fastest, while 2h is slowest.

 

 

 

You must compare its damage and speed. The dragon long has a special. Ok. 4 specials in 5 minits. Who says im going to use its special anyways? DDS is better...

 

 

 

Now the skim. Its fast, near dagger speed, strenth bonus slightly lower. Its special is useless, but then agan, im using DDS or DBA. It is able to do slightly less damage is much faster time. (plug it in on the damage calculator. In 80% of the cases, D long can do 0-1 more damage) Now, D long is more accurate, but it takes longer to hit. Even if the Skim is "slightly" less accurate, it attaks faster to make up for it.

 

 

 

Now lets look at it this way:

 

 

 

WHo has used both weapons?

 

 

 

Those who have used both, can actully experiance both, and compare, not with facts, but brute power and speed, the experiance, and the grace. Its ability to do massive dammage, and hit almost dagger-like. Thats wher the whip actully comes in. It is the power of a D skimmy, but speed of dagger. Combining power and speed. D long, simply hits 1 or 2 more, but is much slower.

 

 

 

Anyone up for my challege?

 

If you've ever used a D skim, you would choose D long. nuff said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dragon scimitar is the same speed as whip and scimitar.

 

 

 

It all depends on experience rates, not personal choice simply enough. I think it has been stated many times that Dragon Scimitar has a higher rate of experience gaining than the Dragon Longsword, that is basically the end of the thread. I quite like the Dragon Scimitar's special attack, I think it looks cool and it earned me a glory amulet in an iron war once. Some level 126 was protecting from melee while getting piled and I Severed her and she got decimated in the 5 second period.

 

No. Dragon scimitar is not as fast as the whip.

 

Also, Scimitars are better for training. The special? Then just bring along a DDS, it's better than the Dragon Longsword special anyways. ;)

 

 

 

Yes it is.

 

 

 

Dagger=whip=d scim

 

 

 

In speed anyways

[famfrit007]

It is not speed that is what makes a weapon good, nor is it power. A dagger is fastest, while 2h is slowest.

 

 

 

You must compare its damage and speed. The dragon long has a special. Ok. 4 specials in 5 minits. Who says im going to use its special anyways? DDS is better...

 

 

 

Now the skim. Its fast, near dagger speed, strenth bonus slightly lower. Its special is useless, but then agan, im using DDS or DBA. It is able to do slightly less damage is much faster time. (plug it in on the damage calculator. In 80% of the cases, D long can do 0-1 more damage) Now, D long is more accurate, but it takes longer to hit. Even if the Skim is "slightly" less accurate, it attaks faster to make up for it.

 

 

 

Now lets look at it this way:

 

 

 

WHo has used both weapons?

 

 

 

Those who have used both, can actully experiance both, and compare, not with facts, but brute power and speed, the experiance, and the grace. Its ability to do massive dammage, and hit almost dagger-like. Thats wher the whip actully comes in. It is the power of a D skimmy, but speed of dagger. Combining power and speed. D long, simply hits 1 or 2 more, but is much slower.

 

 

 

Anyone up for my challege?

 

If you've ever used a D skim, you would choose D long. nuff said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dragon scimitar is the same speed as whip and scimitar.

 

 

 

It all depends on experience rates, not personal choice simply enough. I think it has been stated many times that Dragon Scimitar has a higher rate of experience gaining than the Dragon Longsword, that is basically the end of the thread. I quite like the Dragon Scimitar's special attack, I think it looks cool and it earned me a glory amulet in an iron war once. Some level 126 was protecting from melee while getting piled and I Severed her and she got decimated in the 5 second period.

 

No. Dragon scimitar is not as fast as the whip.

 

Also, Scimitars are better for training. The special? Then just bring along a DDS, it's better than the Dragon Longsword special anyways. ;)

 

 

 

Yes it is.

 

 

 

Dagger=whip=d scim

 

 

 

In speed anyways

 

 

 

ok forgive me if im wrong..ok skim gots 1 more speed than long woo what fun

 

but after i completed Monkey Madness....and got the skim...i had a huge upgrade from my d long and started to train faster and later on pk with it

 

 

 

once i went with it...sold my d long =P

 

 

 

also (note i've seen this with rune skim and long only...but same principle should apply to d weps) when im pkin and i use skim and my opponent uses longsword...for every 3 hits i do with my skim he does 2..now do the math

 

 

 

lets say max hit w/ skim = 10

 

with long = 12 (to not be mistaken -.-)

 

 

 

10(3) > 11(2)

 

 

 

even if the skim is less accurate its speed makes up for it..

 

 

 

now for the specs...yea yea d long is better..so..go add 2 more damage and its still less than skim (follow the formula)

 

 

 

you may now start proving me wrong :twisted:

[Owned_Nex]

Actually, in the BEST case scenario, d long will increase max by 1

[famfrit007]

Actually, in the BEST case scenario, d long will increase max by 1

 

 

 

well there you go...

 

skim ftw

[duncanyo90]

the long sword can hit slitly better but the scimitar is much fast so im going with scimitar :mrgreen:

[GrLuCkY415]

I rather use Scimitar than a Longsword because Scimitars are much faster and i like the looks of Scimitars :thumbsup:

[theone_ian]

Scimiiii.

[cybergla]

I think both are quite useful. A D long is more of a balanced weapon. Where it lacks in speed, it makes up for it in power. It requires a fairly easy quest to do, has a decent special and looks pretty cool 8-)

 

 

 

And although the D long may not be the fastest dragon weapon, it still fares better than the Dragon 2h or dragon B axe(in terms of speed), doesn't it? ;)

 

 

 

However, if you can do the monkey madness quest, D scim is the best choice for you.

 

 

 

(Sorry if I repeated anything anyone else said, I didn't read the whole topic)

[Torkoal_lord]

Personal pref, D Long, mainly because of spec and strength. Either way, whatever's available i'll use, though some people ask me 'why d long? why not scim?' :P Spec FTW!!!

[Owned_Nex]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

[killjoyfuly]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

[Owned_Nex]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

[mister_moocky]

Since I'm so sick of these topics I did a little math. I recorded (with hypercam) a timer beside me in runescape using a longsword and a scimitar then looked at it frame-by-frame to get the times. It's 2.5 seconds per hit with a scimmy and 3 seconds per hit with a longsword. The dragon scimitar has 67 slash attack and 66 str bonus, and (67+66)/2.5 = 53.2 stats per second. The dragon longsword is 69 slash attack and 71 str bonus, and (69+71)/3 = 46.7 stats per second. Add a rune defender (19 slash, 5 str) and it's 62.8 sps vs 54.7. Scimitar wins, end of story.

[killjoyfuly]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

 

:wall:

 

d long spec = harder hit

 

d scim hits lower than d long w/o spec so no your wrong there

 

 

 

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Dragon Longsword Temporarily increases Strength and Attack for a hit

[Owned_Nex]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

 

:wall:

 

d long spec = harder hit

 

d scim hits lower than d long w/o spec so no your wrong there

 

 

 

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Cleave

 

Dragon Longsword Temporarily increases Strength and Attack for a hit

 

 

 

HOWEVER, that is in one hit. Sure the D scim MIGHT hit one damage lower, but it makes that up with another hit. So you are in a way correct, in that they are not equal. D Scim appears to be better even if D long has constant specials.

[raistlin]

Since I'm so sick of these topics I did a little math. I recorded (with hypercam) a timer beside me in runescape using a longsword and a scimitar then looked at it frame-by-frame to get the times. It's 2.5 seconds per hit with a scimmy and 3 seconds per hit with a longsword. The dragon scimitar has 67 slash attack and 66 str bonus, and (67+66)/2.5 = 53.2 stats per second. The dragon longsword is 69 slash attack and 71 str bonus, and (69+71)/3 = 46.7 stats per second. Add a rune defender (19 slash, 5 str) and it's 62.8 sps vs 54.7. Scimitar wins, end of story.

 

 

 

how can the conversation continue after this :D :o

[killjoyfuly]

[hide=]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

 

:wall:

 

d long spec = harder hit

 

d scim hits lower than d long w/o spec so no your wrong there

 

 

 

edit

 

Cleave

 

Dragon Longsword Temporarily increases Strength and Attack for a hit

 

 

 

HOWEVER, that is in one hit. Sure the D scim MIGHT hit one damage lower, but it makes that up with another hit. So you are in a way correct, in that they are not equal. D Scim appears to be better even if D long has constant specials.

[/hide] but in if every hit was a special the max hit AND likelyhood that you would hit it go up so tbh it makes them more even

[Inuashakent]

Since I'm so sick of these topics I did a little math. I recorded (with hypercam) a timer beside me in runescape using a longsword and a scimitar then looked at it frame-by-frame to get the times. It's 2.5 seconds per hit with a scimmy and 3 seconds per hit with a longsword. The dragon scimitar has 67 slash attack and 66 str bonus, and (67+66)/2.5 = 53.2 stats per second. The dragon longsword is 69 slash attack and 71 str bonus, and (69+71)/3 = 46.7 stats per second. Add a rune defender (19 slash, 5 str) and it's 62.8 sps vs 54.7. Scimitar wins, end of story.

 

 

 

how can the conversation continue after this :D :o

 

Because Strength and accuracy cannot be weighed as equal... but I guess it's irrelevent, as Scimitar is better than a longsword.

[Owned_Nex]

[hide=]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

 

:wall:

 

d long spec = harder hit

 

d scim hits lower than d long w/o spec so no your wrong there

 

 

 

edit

 

Cleave

 

Dragon Longsword Temporarily increases Strength and Attack for a hit

 

 

 

HOWEVER, that is in one hit. Sure the D scim MIGHT hit one damage lower, but it makes that up with another hit. So you are in a way correct, in that they are not equal. D Scim appears to be better even if D long has constant specials.

[/hide] but in if every hit was a special the max hit AND likelyhood that you would hit it go up so tbh it makes them more even

 

 

 

 

 

Hitting your max every hit is very unlikely. Even so, D scim would STILL have a higher damage.

[compfreak847]

[hide=]

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec...

 

 

 

Hint hint D scim

 

id rather the d long spec constantly then d scim tbh :ugeek:

 

 

 

Well, D long spec constntly= d scim...

 

:wall:

 

d long spec = harder hit

 

d scim hits lower than d long w/o spec so no your wrong there

 

 

 

edit

 

Cleave

 

Dragon Longsword Temporarily increases Strength and Attack for a hit

 

 

 

HOWEVER, that is in one hit. Sure the D scim MIGHT hit one damage lower, but it makes that up with another hit. So you are in a way correct, in that they are not equal. D Scim appears to be better even if D long has constant specials.

[/hide] but in if every hit was a special the max hit AND likelyhood that you would hit it go up so tbh it makes them more even

 

 

 

 

 

Hitting your max every hit is very unlikely. Even so, D scim would STILL have a higher damage.

 

Exactly, I can't really see why we're having a debate. Going by 'max' is off, as your timing is - it's 2.77 seconds and 3.16, respectively, with a +-.05% error Unless my memory fails me.