Dragon longsword. Bad rep from Dragon scimitar?

[dorington]

I've always prefered long swords for scimmy's. The longs are a little lless fast but pack more of a punch more often. The only time I use scimmy's is when trainning on lower level creatures.

[Ceblue]

All right, let's bring some math into this. I can hear all of you cheering. After all, everybody loves math.

 

 

 

I most certainly do! At least, it's much better then throwing vague assumptions and hasty conclusions around.

 

 

 

There was a excellent post on the RSOF (fancy that!) by a guy named Guthix God that listed weapon speeds in terms of seconds-per-hit. I think it died, but I saved his results to a file on my computer for later evaluation, and it has proved very useful for discussions like this. I had used the longsword for quite a while, and had been pretty ambivalent about the whole controversy. Then I did the math, and quickly switched to the scimy.

 

 

 

Guthix God found that the longsword hits once every 3.04 seconds, and the scimitar hits once every 2.43 seconds.

 

 

 

From tip.it's max hit calculator, we can find the max hit of the longsword, the scimitar, and the longsword with special. At 80 strength, this is 19, 19, and 24, respectively.

 

 

 

Here then, is the max-damage-per-second of the weapons.

 

• Dragon longsword - 6.25
   
  Dragon scimitar - 7.82
   
  Dragon longsword w/ special - 7.89

 

As far as damage goes, then, the only use of the Dragon longsword is its special attack, which deals out slightly higher damage per second then the scimy. However, if it's special attacks that we're talking about, why not use a dragon dagger, as others have suggested?

 

 

 

The longsword still has its uses. If you're fighting a monster that is especially weak to stab, you may want to opt for a longsword. Personally, I think the longsword looks more like a warrior's weapon then a scimitar, but that's personal opinion, and math doesn't really apply to that. :?

[pikachu54673]

I love the d long, put I prefer using a scim.

[atronic92]

I use the dragon scimitar because it is the fastest non-dangerous (Dharoks), non-expensive (onyx necklace), and non-controlled (whip) strength training. I did Monkey Madness relatively recently, and before I got a whip, I used the dragon longsword. I think that the dragon longsword looks cooler than the scimitar, and I like its special attack much more that the scimitar's, but the scimitar is better so I use that.

[Flame_guy3]

Id say its because the D Scimmy is much more prestigous than D long ever will be. Purely because MM will always be harder than Lost city. No matter how many easier methods there are for MM the keyword is easier, never easy. Lost City remains easy and was one of the first quests i did as a member. But MM took me a LONG time which i needed the help of several people.

[Nopheo]

I think the reason I believe the scimmy to be better is because I remember when it was released. Everyone thought it was the most amazing weapon. I think it looks cooler cause it was so rare when Monkey Madness first came out. I remember being one of the first people to get a scimmy and everyone would be like "wow nice weapon." So high lvls prally like it more just cause they remember it being called better at its release.

[Animaslayer]

i understand your views but .. well .. :-w

[Animaslayer]

when i post i kill everything =/

[llamster]

All right, let's bring some math into this. I can hear all of you cheering. After all, everybody loves math.

 

 

 

I most certainly do! At least, it's much better then throwing vague assumptions and hasty conclusions around.

 

 

 

There was a excellent post on the RSOF (fancy that!) by a guy named Guthix God that listed weapon speeds in terms of seconds-per-hit. I think it died, but I saved his results to a file on my computer for later evaluation, and it has proved very useful for discussions like this. I had used the longsword for quite a while, and had been pretty ambivalent about the whole controversy. Then I did the math, and quickly switched to the scimy.

 

 

 

Guthix God found that the longsword hits once every 3.04 seconds, and the scimitar hits once every 2.43 seconds.

 

 

 

From tip.it's max hit calculator, we can find the max hit of the longsword, the scimitar, and the longsword with special. At 80 strength, this is 19, 19, and 24, respectively.

 

 

 

Here then, is the max-damage-per-second of the weapons.

 

• Dragon longsword - 6.25
   
  Dragon scimitar - 7.82
   
  Dragon longsword w/ special - 7.89

 

As far as damage goes, then, the only use of the Dragon longsword is its special attack, which deals out slightly higher damage per second then the scimy. However, if it's special attacks that we're talking about, why not use a dragon dagger, as others have suggested?

 

 

 

The longsword still has its uses. If you're fighting a monster that is especially weak to stab, you may want to opt for a longsword. Personally, I think the longsword looks more like a warrior's weapon then a scimitar, but that's personal opinion, and math doesn't really apply to that. :?

 

 

 

Hmm... 2.43:3.04... According to the KB, a scimitar can hit 6 times in the amount a longsword can hit 5. Using those figures, a scimitar can hit 6 times in 14.58 seconds. A longsword can hit 5 times in 15.2 seconds. Either Guthix God is a bit off, or the 5:6 ratio is rounded.

 

 

 

Either way, Dragon Scimitar > Dragon Longsword.

[Ceblue]

Hmm... 2.43:3.04... According to the KB, a scimitar can hit 6 times in the amount a longsword can hit 5. Using those figures, a scimitar can hit 6 times in 14.58 seconds. A longsword can hit 5 times in 15.2 seconds. Either Guthix God is a bit off, or the 5:6 ratio is rounded.

 

 

 

Yup, the whole effort was launched due to inaccuracies he had noticed in the Knowledge Base ratios. The system the KB uses is nice for general comparisons, but knowing exact times are priceless. It allows you to accurately calculate damage per second, demonstrating the usefulness of weapon speed.

 

 

 

If you'd like I could PM you the data he collected. I'm always referring too it these days.

[PFJ]

All right, let's bring some math into this. I can hear all of you cheering. After all, everybody loves math.

 

 

 

I most certainly do! At least, it's much better then throwing vague assumptions and hasty conclusions around.

 

 

 

There was a excellent post on the RSOF (fancy that!) by a guy named Guthix God that listed weapon speeds in terms of seconds-per-hit. I think it died, but I saved his results to a file on my computer for later evaluation, and it has proved very useful for discussions like this. I had used the longsword for quite a while, and had been pretty ambivalent about the whole controversy. Then I did the math, and quickly switched to the scimy.

 

 

 

Guthix God found that the longsword hits once every 3.04 seconds, and the scimitar hits once every 2.43 seconds.

 

 

 

From tip.it's max hit calculator, we can find the max hit of the longsword, the scimitar, and the longsword with special. At 80 strength, this is 19, 19, and 24, respectively.

 

 

 

Here then, is the max-damage-per-second of the weapons.

 

• Dragon longsword - 6.25
   
  Dragon scimitar - 7.82
   
  Dragon longsword w/ special - 7.89

 

As far as damage goes, then, the only use of the Dragon longsword is its special attack, which deals out slightly higher damage per second then the scimy. However, if it's special attacks that we're talking about, why not use a dragon dagger, as others have suggested?

 

 

 

The longsword still has its uses. If you're fighting a monster that is especially weak to stab, you may want to opt for a longsword. Personally, I think the longsword looks more like a warrior's weapon then a scimitar, but that's personal opinion, and math doesn't really apply to that. :?

 

 

 

Ah, but what i don't see is an accuracy report, i mean, the scim may have more damage capabilities, but how good is it at reaching them in comparison to the long?

[Ceblue]

 

Ah, but what i don't see is an accuracy report, i mean, the scim may have more damage capabilities, but how good is it at reaching them in comparison to the long?

 

 

 

Pretty much the same, actually. The longsword has a +2 bonus to slash compared to the scimitar - virtually insignificant. However, like I said, the longsword is a superior stab weapon. Only the new Zamorakian spear is better then a dragon longsword + rune defender in that respect.

[Animaslayer]

hmmzors...

[mini193]

i used primarily d scim and whip before i was banned, but i also bought a d long for my dragon collection and its a nice wep. IMO it hits better than scim, i just liked scim more for some reason

[Animaslayer]

=/

[Joooely]

I used a d-long because 60-70 attack doesn't really take that long and i'll buy a whip then anyway which is better than a scimmy. I guess you could get the scimmy to lvl str but I think lvling str up to 70 with the d-long and using shared exp with the whip from then on would be more time-efficient than doing the whole monkey madness quest, from what i've heard it's pretty long.

[Etta]

I don't use it because dragon long swords are ugleh and dragon sicmitars are lovleh.

[Animaslayer]

I don't use it because dragon long swords are ugleh and dragon sicmitars are lovleh.

 

 

 

so wrong IMO

[rook_2222]

The first time my friend started RS P2P, the first thing he wanted was a D Scimmy. I told him to finish Lost City for for the DDS and D Long. He listened to my advice, but when I asked him if he bought a D Long, he said he had a DDS. I asked why he didn't but it, but he said it [s**ks.] I knew then that he hated the D Long #-o.

 

The D Long has such a bad rep because it is "slow." If I was a member, I would choose the D Long any day. Monkey Madness is too annoying for me :-$.