This is a discussion of the abuse of the assistance system for fishing, mining and woodcutting.

 

 

 

Abuse of the system:

 

 

 

In some cases, the lower level gets both the experience and the materials from the higher level.

 

 

 

Example:

 

 

 

A level 76 fisher asks for help shark fishing from a level 99 fisher. The lower level gets all the shark. He also gets all the exp since he has the level needed for shark fishing and he gets shark at the faster rate of the person who gave him assistance. In other words, he fishes at the speed of the 99 fisher while getting all the exp and shark for himself.

 

 

 

What is that point of that?

 

 

 

Previously I had supported the assistance update. This seemed like a good system for helping others. Unfortunately even skills that traditionally do not require assistance have been included. These are the three skills of fishing, woodcutting and mining.

 

 

 

These there are "primary" skills that are there to gather resources from the world of RS. Assistance for these skills is nothing more than giving free stuff and the people asking for assistance are only begging for free stuff.

 

 

 

With secondary skills such as runecrafting, smithing., crafting, etc. secondary materials are created from primary (raw) materials, ie runes from mined pure ess, bows from logs, armor from ores and so on. These are the skills that traditionally require assistance as a person can have raw material without being able to use them. These are the skills that traditionally require the assistance of a higher level person.

 

 

 

Assistance in this case is not one sided, one person provides the materials while the other gains exp. Both gain something. In the case of mining, fishing and woodcutting, the higher level person loses out as the lower level person provides nothing the higher level person doesn't have and takes the materials.

 

 

 

While I was fishing in the guild some keep asking higher levels to assist them even if they are already high level fishing, just so they could get fish faster. A level 88 fisher was asking for assistance...is that right? :wall:

 

 

 

I hope Jagex changes this asap. I'm sick of high level beggars in the guild.

 

 

 

Edit: Thanks to qeltar's information at http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=713977

I can see why you think it's bad that the lower level get's both the exp and the material, and I agree with you. It is unfair. It's really sad that some people uses this new system just to get free stuff and free xp :(

If that's the case, then this is the first legitimate complain about this system i've seen.

 

 

 

I don't think it'll make any different, but yeah it should be changed. The perosn assisting should always get the xp.

Well until Jagex fixes it you will have to put up with it :(

 

 

 

i personally just turn Assist off :wink:

It would be a good flaw if it was true.

 

 

 

If you have lvl 76 so CAN fish sharks then get assit from a 99 fisher. It will use your OWN fishing level.

 

 

 

You will get the sharks at the lvl 76 rate and get the xp.

 

 

 

It clearly states on the knowledge base of the person being assisted HAS the required level it WILL NOT use the assist system for it - hence it WILL IGNORE the lvl 99 fishing.

It would be a good flaw if it was true.

 

 

 

If you have lvl 76 so CAN fish sharks then get assit from a 99 fisher. It will use your OWN fishing level.

 

 

 

You will get the sharks at the lvl 76 rate and get the xp.

 

 

 

It clearly states on the knowledge base of the person being assisted HAS the required level it WILL NOT use the assist system for it - hence it WILL IGNORE the lvl 99 fishing.

The knowlege base isnt always right, if meili says it happens ill take her word for it.

Have you actually tested it? to prove what your saying is true?

Have you actually tested it? to prove what your saying is true?

The option to assist is there, regardless of whether you have the lvl to do it, if jagex removes it when you have the lvl to do it then no one will beg.

 

Example:

 

 

 

A level 76 fisher asks for help shark fishing from a level 99 fisher. The lower level gets all the shark. He also gets all the exp since he has the level needed for shark fishing and he gets shark at the faster rate of the person who gave him assistance. In other words, he fishes at the speed of the 99 fisher while getting all the exp and shark for himself.

 

 

 

 

No, he gets only Raw materials, not Experience.

 

 

 

Get your facts right.

Have you actually tested it? to prove what your saying is true?

The option to assist is there, regardless of whether you have the lvl to do it, if jagex removes it when you have the lvl to do it then no one will beg.

 

 

 

Yeah thats a good idea :

Nearly every update has loopholes, they cannot all be closed.

 

The Assist System does more good than harm in my opinion, so it's still a good idea.

This exact situation happened to me just 4 hours ago and this is how it played out. I`m willing to bet this is how it will work 99% of the time everywhere in game. I also have 99 fishing.

 

 

 

Noob: Hey taco can i assist and use your fishing to catch sharks?

 

 

 

Fools Taco: What are you high? You think i have nothing better to do than sit here and watch you catch sharks

 

 

 

Noob: plz!

 

 

 

Fools Taco: Go away.

 

 

 

Besides even if i did he only gets 272 sharks, this is a non issue. Anyone with 99 fishing has made about 40 million doing it and has better things to do.

 

 

 

Ninja Edit:

 

One more thing, at 99 sharks still take like 8-9 min a load. thats like 10 loads of sharks (272) like anyone is going to sit and do nothing for an hour and a half.

It would be a good flaw if it was true.

 

 

 

If you have lvl 76 so CAN fish sharks then get assit from a 99 fisher. It will use your OWN fishing level.

 

 

 

You will get the sharks at the lvl 76 rate and get the xp.

 

 

 

It clearly states on the knowledge base of the person being assisted HAS the required level it WILL NOT use the assist system for it - hence it WILL IGNORE the lvl 99 fishing.

The knowlege base isnt always right, if meili says it happens ill take her word for it.

 

 

 

The knowledge base isn't but me helping my friends fish and wc when they already have levels to test it is.

 

 

 

None of them got yews at the lvl 99 rate when they could cut yews themselves and used wc assit to borrow my 99

I was assisting a level 85 cook with cooking his sharks.

 

Sharks are good exp soo i thought, why not.

 

After waiting 20 seconds he says thanks and runs of to the bank.

 

I didnt get any experience soo i ask how many sharks he cooked.

 

He said he didnt burn 1.

 

That isnt possible at 85 cooking.

 

I even checked him up and he had 85 cooking.

 

 

 

We should get the exp even tho the person has the level.

 

They are using our time as much as their own soo i dont see it fair that we stand there while they use our levels without us getting anything back.

That isnt possible at 85 cooking.

 

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are u sure he wasn't wearing cooking gauntlets?

What's the difference between a 88 fishing who gets the shark at the speed of 99 (but the 99 can't do anything else), or both the 88 AND the 99 fishing?

 

 

 

I don't see a problem here, besides the whole xp bug.

That isnt possible at 85 cooking.

 

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are u sure he wasn't wearing cooking gauntlets?

 

 

 

Even with cooking gauntlets, you still have to be 92 or 94 cooking to not burn a single shark.

Thing is.. even if they fix the flaw that lets lower levels get faster XP and the items... there is STILL no legitimate reason for resource gathering skills to be on this system.

 

 

 

Consider:

 

 

 

1. I spend an hour fishing 100 sharks. After I am done, somebody comes up to me and asks me to give them 100 sharks for free.

 

 

 

2. Someone comes up to me and asks me to stand next to them in Catherby for an hour while they use my Fishing skill to get 100 free sharks.

 

 

 

Is there any difference here? None that I can see at all. In both cases I get the XP, they get the sharks, and the entire exchange is based on begging. If there is any difference at all, itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s that the second one has a specific feature to enable it, which makes it seem legitimate.

guys the numbers we are talking here are so small its a non-issue. 30k exp every 24 hours is a drop in the bucket.

I think this is just another attempt by JaGeX to help lower levels.

 

 

 

 

 

*Turns Assist Off*

if this is true why would a high lvl stand around if he didnt seem to be getting any exp?

 

 

 

i mean after 1 min...if your fish xp stays at 0 then youll prolly walk away.

 

 

 

am i missing something?

I think this is just another attempt by JaGeX to help lower levels.

 

 

 

 

 

*Turns Assist Off*

 

 

 

Since when is helping lower levels bad?

 

Anyways..

 

 

 

Minning, Fishing, and WC SHOULD have been not included in this update.

 

Infact any skill that is used mainly to produce raw materials should not have been included. This hinders not only the person assisting, but the assistie.

 

 

 

But other skills, such as construction are very benifital for this update.

 

Example: Say someone wants to make a magic cape rack (Which requires a magic stone). With the old system you have to basically give away 1M trustingly for it to be made, while this new system assures you wont be scamed out of these expensive items.

 

 

 

Its situations like that, which this update was created for, not the collection of raw materials.

The problem with players reguarding the assist system is they are attempting to use it as a industrial tool to improve their efficency ratings while the guy standing there is suppose to be enjoying his "Free" exp.

 

 

 

Truth is, the assist system is not designed to let other players give you exp while you do nothing for hours long, its just designed to help your friends get X stuff or people you don't know in a short period of time.

 

 

 

Most people try to use it as a training method, which doesn't work.

 

 

 

You really shouldn't complain about the assist system though as you can always turn it off, and ignore those who ask for help as you would beggars.

I agree that Jagex should not use this system for Resource gathering skills. Like you said, it's basically them asking you to do the skill for them and give them all the resources you gather. But if they didn't put it in there, somebody would still ask for it. Had a guy the other day ask to use my 86 Prayer :-s

I think in all the case, the experience should be given to the guy who assist. It's really unfair!!