prices are insane

[justj2]

and they are driving me insane!

 

 

 

im a fond crafter, also love to slay so those two skills often help each other out when when im stuck with a load of rubbish assignments that arnt getting me anywhere ill go to craft til i want to slay again... (making sense so far?)

 

But to buy any materials is flippin impossible, sure ill get the odd few hides or couple of d stones at reasonable prices but how am i ment to break even when blue d hides are 1.9kea? (breaking even means i finish with the same amount of money i started with)

 

I mean come on, even crafting bodys will only get me 1872gp (per hide) so im at a 84gp loss per body i make and thats if i make my own nats which takes the mick these days too

 

 

 

I used to happily kill green and blue drags for a friend and sell him the hides about 1kea because i knew i was still making money off him and he'd be able to buy more in the future

 

 

 

What on gods earth are people thinking?! "yes we'l bankrupt those crafters so no one can buy our precious hides muahaha"

 

Ok ill admit theres those rich people who buy higher to get things faster and KNOW they will make a loss but also KNOW they can get that money back quickly, some people cant you know!

 

 

 

No im not finished yet! Even getting our own hides is turning out to be a bleedin nightmare because greens are full of macroers, pkers and people who kill macroers and kill everyone else then sell our hard earnt hides at extortionate(sp?) prices >.<

 

"stop whining and go pick flax" NO! ill admit its good to train crafting for a while but it soon becomes too slow and even the market in that is fluctuating(sp?)

 

"prices will change and get better" yea only if alching values go up... then guess what? prices go up, so its never going to happen.

 

"go do something different like fletch" ....no comment (it'd be too rude)...

 

"just bite the bullet and bare with it" i flippin cant if im constantly guna end up bankrupt am i? "but its just a game" yea we still need money in it

 

 

 

argh >.< i could go on for so long with things that people have said and how this pisses me off so much... but ill shush now...

 

 

 

any thoughts? (preferably ones that help or are selling me hides at 1.75kea or below)

 

 

 

J

[guthix121]

Oh NO! I whole 84 gp!

 

 

 

You do break even, in return for that 84 gp you get skill exp.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

What on earth?.... :idea: You're skilling from the hides...and crafting is meant to be expensed for no return for the most part....So dont tell me it isn't cause my friend spent a whole 8m in expense from 50s crafting to 85...

 

 

 

And...84gp is a child's play comparing to prayer or whatever :roll:

[hephaestos8]

making dragonhide bodies is the fastest xp in the game, like any other skill there is a tradeoff for gp and xp

[Warrager]

What on earth?.... :idea: You're skilling from the hides...and crafting is meant to be expensed for no return for the most part....So dont tell me it isn't cause my friend spent a whole 8m in expense from 50s crafting to 85...

 

 

 

And...84gp is a child's play comparing to prayer or whatever :roll:

 

+1. You should feel the pain of leveling RC F2P from airs. Oh no, I'm going to complain about how skilling to get exp, costs money now...

[BabyPunchers]

So basically you want a lot of exp at no cost?

[justj2]

have you ever crafted or done any skill?

 

 

 

you do skills to make money from it not lose money because of it

 

 

 

bah to hell with you lot

[Warrager]

Sore loser. Not everything in life goes your way. Maybe if you got your own hides, it would be cost effective. You chose the faster, more expensive route. So, because it costs money to do this you complain..? I might as well complain about how costly rares are, why can't I make money at level 1 smithing, etc...

[Unoalexi]

have you ever crafted or done any skill?

 

 

 

you do skills to make money from it not lose money because of it

 

 

 

bah to hell with you lot

 

 

 

A 400g(big bones) for like 20ish exp, prayer doesn't make money at all. In fact, you mostly lose money..

 

 

 

This is exactly what happens when Jagex goes on macro purging raids... You either take higher prices and ethical business or lower prices and unethical business.. Just like the millions who protest Walmart yet shop there all the time because they have the cheapest prices in town..

[Solidus_77]

Pathetic rant, you cannot change the prices no matter what you try. prices are what they are because it's the price players are willing to pay and so if there's anyone to blame it's them (which is just stupid). If the price is too high for you, don't buy it. But don't complain about the price just because you assume crafting should give money.

 

 

 

People want the experience so much that they will PAY a price to get it. That's why the raw materials prices are greater than processed material's prices

 

 

 

have you ever crafted or done any skill?

 

 

 

you do skills to make money from it not lose money because of it

 

 

 

bah to hell with you lot

 

 

 

Who the hell told you that? :roll: there are so many skills in this game, SOME of them have moneymaking potential, others do not. You do skills because you want the higher levels. Sometimes you do skills because you have money to spend even.

[Retefael]

Oh NO! I whole 84 gp!

 

 

 

You do break even, in return for that 84 gp you get skill exp.

 

 

 

I agree. It's like saying that I paid $50 bucks for a game, and didn't get $50 bucks back. HECK NOES!!!!

[Dario]

Try bowstrings.. 100% Profit 8-)

[purfishx]

So basically you want a lot of exp at no cost?

 

 

 

Pretty much.

[Huta]

Try bowstrings.. 100% Profit 8-)

 

 

 

Earn a phat through spinning, and you'll have just earned the Geek of the Century award. :lol:

[shotdown12]

So basically you want a lot of exp at no cost?

 

 

 

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

Wow, I was about to abuse him with the 'ol silver tongue, but I think he's taken enough of a pummeling from everyone else.

 

 

 

He says he's not breaking even.

 

You say he's paying money for the xp.

 

He says you're supposed to make money off skills, not lose it.

 

You backhand him with Prayer. Adding Construction would've been overkill.

 

 

 

While I agree that I'd rather break even on training skills or, even better, make money off of it, you shouldn't be complaining that you're losing money when training a skill.

[monsieur_mal]

Have i missed something serious? have i been ripping myself off over the past few weeks. My friend i still think that you can buy and sell blue dragon hides for 1-1.5k each easily, just be persistent with your price and you should get them. And also the other people who posted comments about prayer are right it is so much harder to train than crafting

[Shadow MC]

I know it's annoying sometimes that you have to pay to lvl skills but that's just the way it is. You can't expect every skill in the game to make money for you. If they did then you'd be seeing a lot more people with 99 construction, crafting, agility etc. If you can't afford to pay for the lvls you want, do it the old fashioned way or make money from another skill to pay for it. Also as other people have said, if there are people willing to pay a price for the lvls they want whether they'd be losing out or not they will pay it and not much is going to change that.

[Choulapa87]

its all because of the dreaded, annoying, vile, messed up, dropped on their head as a baby macros

 

 

 

 

 

YES IT IS TRUE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE MACROS

[Will H]

With crafting, you are making a xp/money tradeoff. Perhaps when you have trained a bit more, you can try higher leveled crafting which will then gain you a profit, but admittedly less xp. That's the idea behind these kinds of skills. If I'm not mistaken, this trend is present in all processing skills. You train at the lower levels first, and when you need to make money, you proceed to the higher leveled option (I'm talking red/black d'hide), to get your money which you lost whilst training. Currently, you are not making a profit, you are making the means to make a profit.

 

 

 

Oh, and prayer is completely the same, but on a larger scale. You may be paying loads (unless you got the bones yourself, but then money = time) to get up your prayer, but you are then creating a means to make a profit out of your investment because you can then participate in combat related activities (Examples include Barrows, KQ, KBD, Duel Arena, Wilderness...) which get you a form of loot, which ultimately makes you money which reimburses your loss from the initial training.

[xlorp]

I love crafting too, but I don't do hides for leveling. That way lies tedium, frustration and madness.

 

 

 

Want to make it go up 20k experience per day and make money too?

 

 

 

Battlestaving is a nice diversion. 9300 gold per elemental battlestaff hi- alched. Sure the staff itself costs 7000 from Zaff in Varrock, but if you do all the rest yourself, that's 2300 per staff to cover all your other efforts.

 

 

 

Buy 80 seaweed/day from Arheim in Catherby

 

Complete Hand in the Sand to get 84 buckets of sand/day from Bert. Otherwise do a bucket brigade in Zanaris; 3 loads = 84 buckets.

 

Get Lunar Magicks and level 77 for the spell Superglass Make

 

Now you can get about 100 molten glass/day to make into unpowered orbs.

 

 

 

Air elemental staff + 3 cosmics/orb gets you charged air orbs in the Edgeville dungeon. It's wilderness but less than level 10. I've only been ambushed once by pkers there and a teletab solved that with time to taunt them as I vanished. Runecraft 59 gives 2 cosmics per pure essence; using 3 pouches that's 86 cosmics per run. Well worth the time of runecrafting from Zanaris in 100% safety.

 

 

 

Completing the Varrock achievement diary allows you to buy 64 battlestaffs/day from Zaff at a flat cost of 7000 each.

 

 

 

Lastly you'll need a fire staff and nature runes. Two nature runs/day gives you enough to cover maximum easy battlestaff production. You can world hop in Baba Yaga's hut for at most 5 staffs; I don't believe it's worth the effort.

 

 

 

So how much crafting experience does this all get?

 

Superglass make on 80 pairs of seaweed and sand gives approximately 100 molten glass. 1000 exp.

 

Make 100 unpowered orbs. 5250 exp

 

Attach 64 powered orbs to 64 battlestaffs. 13750 exp

 

Grand total = 20000 exp/day

 

 

 

And it's profitable.

 

You need to pay gold up front for materials.

 

172 pure essence to make 12 astral runes (ZMI altar), 192 cosmic runes (at 2 runes per essence) and 64 nature runes. If you only get 1 cosmic per essence that moves it up to 268 pure essence. Let's round up and call it 300 pure essence for 30000 gold.

 

Seaweed cost from Arheim is trivial. Call it covered in the pure essence rounding factor.

 

64 battlestaffs at 7000 each is 448000 gold.

 

 

 

For gold upfront of 478k, you end up with 595.2k after the hi alch dust settles. 117.2k gold profit/day (25% return on investment) and 20k crafting exp with time left over for anything else you want to do. Incidentally you also get 9.5k magic exp just for the 3 spells needed to make the glass, charge the orbs and hi alch the end product.

[frogmann2]

I'm not complaining, considering I'm the one selling, not the one buying. I've never spent a single gp on bones, hides, logs, nothing! Every skill I have has been entirly through my own sheer work ethic, except my armour, I didn't make that...But still, I earned the money to buy it, so that evens out. It's supply and demand, demand goes up because of skill capes, supply goes down, prices go up, macros go up, supply goes up, prices go down, workers complain about macros, Jagex does some clean up, macros go down, supply goes down, prices go up...You get my drift. Prices aren't steady. They never will be. Soon the prices (might) go down, when there's an influx of bots. But just hang in there, or go do something else. Or be like me, the un-lazy (but oftened called stupid) RuneScapian (yes, that's why my skills are so low, even after three years)

[Plugpoint]

How about this:

 

Do something that you can easily get money from whilst getting xp (buying raw lobs, cooking, and selling for profit, for example). Then, use the money that you gain from this to buy your crafting materials.

 

 

 

I'm sure you can make money or at least break even somehow with the d hides, though...

 

 

 

Plugpoint92 :