Has Jagex lied to us?

[brave]

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

Are you serious? Do you know how easy it is to change your ip? Please read upon things before suggesting it. =;

 

 

 

I agree, IP banning can NEVER work for two main reasons:

 

 

 

1) it is easy to change/use proxies etc.

 

2) most ISP's use dynamic IP addresses, ie. every time you restart your router you could get allocated a different IP address.

 

 

 

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

 

 

 

There is one piece of information that is unique to your computer. It is called your MAC address. No two network devices have the same MAC address. However, in order to be able to do this you would somehow need to register RS against this address. With current Java technology this is impossible to do, although some software suppliers that do not use Java do have a system for registering against MAC addresses.

[Fredz]

We don't like banning players,

 

I thought this was what you meant by lying. :P

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

 

 

 

I'm sure eventually, the major Operating System creators might make available a specific code that you use which identifies your specific copy. That would then be possible to ban with since rather than banning the connection, you're banning the copy of the disc and the only way to get around it would be to buy a completely new copy of this operating system.

 

 

 

Of course, we don't have this yet, so as of now, the IP ban is the only effective method (kind of).

 

 

 

 

 

There is. It is called a MAC address. However it does not help as information traveling across a network can ALWAYS be manipulated and the routine a client do for fetching a key(or address) can always be manipulated. Its the beauty of computer networking.

[pauldonnelly159]

Yea jagex is lieing the butts off they banned my main who ive played over 5 years for rule 12 and encouraging others when givin a last chance appeal the evidence they claim to have had was just a statement saying they had detirmined i was in full control of my account ??? thats thier idea of evidence?????

 

 

 

well only idea i can think they might have is a friend gave me 10 mil to buy guthans back when it was cheap lol this has been over a year ago well anyway my high skilled and good all around main is perm ban and i took a year off just to come back and play my other mining account

 

 

 

so yea jagex is full of it and banning ips will never work and they dont have a reliable system to find rule breakers since im proof of thier mistakes

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

 

 

 

There is one piece of information that is unique to your computer. It is called your MAC address. No two network devices have the same MAC address. However, in order to be able to do this you would somehow need to register RS against this address. With current Java technology this is impossible to do, although some software suppliers that do not use Java do have a system for registering against MAC addresses.

 

 

 

Said uniqueness can actually be forged. All it takes is either a quick trip through the OS and tinkering with the network settings, OR (if you're on a Windows box) a quick look at the BIOS settings, and you could probably edit it from there, too.

 

 

 

Here's a MAC address: 00:17:3f:xx:xx:xx (the first three pairs are like the network card's signature, manufacturer, etc). It's quite easy for someone to tinker around for a half hour or look up a guide online to change that to something else.

 

 

 

Java doesn't need the technology. It's in the freaking MAC layer of the OSI model, a schema (not a standard) that computers follow when transmitting data between one another. All you'd need is a packet sniffer and you'd have your MAC addresses.

[Iamdan]

 

I'm sure eventually, the major Operating System creators might make available a specific code that you use which identifies your specific copy. That would then be possible to ban with since rather than banning the connection, you're banning the copy of the disc and the only way to get around it would be to buy a completely new copy of this operating system.

 

 

 

Of course, we don't have this yet, so as of now, the IP ban is the only effective method (kind of).

 

 

 

I don't think Jagex could check a code like that with Java, it's pretty limited with things like that.

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex isn't lying, but they do like to make people think their methods are more effective than what they are to discourage rule breakers, and keep legit players happy that things are being done.

 

 

 

As far as I know, the biggest thing Jagex has to stop real world trading is in the trade system. All street prices are kept updated, and if one end of a trade is worth more than the other by a certain amount, the accounts are flagged and investigated. This is the reason why people can get banned for giving their friend free stuff.

[Hazbaz0]

There is no stopping real world item traders or gold farmers....

 

 

 

End of story

[Sam]

They do alot more than you think-I haven't seen a macro in ages.

[blosssom2581]

That type of banning is called hardware signature banning (or something similar) :D

 

 

 

Most gaming system like Battlefield uses PunkBuster or similar anti-cheating systems, which have a blacklist of serial number of Harddisk, motherboard, CPU,.... when they detect a user trying to access the game via a computer with a component with a blacklisted serial, he will be denied.

 

 

 

This definitely works, that's why Battlefield cheats is non-existent in official servers (excl. Private servers)

 

 

 

This system is immune from system reinstalls, or proxies, or whatever dirty tricks, as the serial is EMBEDDED into the hardware itself

 

 

 

The only weakness comes from the anti-cheat software itself... However, if that software is almost perfect, that should not be a problem

 

 

 

Yet, I don't think PunkBuster supports Java games...

[Medellin]

We don't like banning players,

 

I thought this was what you meant by lying. :P

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

Why would they like banning people? Players = profit for them

[Latinoking]

They do alot more than you think-I haven't seen a macro in ages.

 

 

 

You haven't been looking in the correct places then.

[Omali]

Those systems do work, Jagex does use them but they take far too long for the amount of cheaters in the game.

 

 

 

They've even said it themselves, they're cutting it off at the source. Make a better anti-cheat method, the cheaters will just make a smarter cheat. So what do you do? Get rid of the people who are benefiting from that cheat.

 

 

 

Autoers will never be completely destroyed, most of them replaced with real people still gold farming. So get rid of stakers buying gold to stake with, keep monitoring trades (Word of warning: If your friend is level 3 in default clothing with a name like Zin Quang3152, and you "borrow" 20mil, expect it to look suspicious enough for Jagex to ban you), and eventually the business will be too small in runescape for 90% of the autoers to stay,and they'll move on to the next game.

[monkeyboo2]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP's can be changed every 10 seconds (if your a fast clicker).

 

IP bans are not hard to bypass.

[Iamdan]

Those systems do work, Jagex does use them but they take far too long for the amount of cheaters in the game.

 

 

 

They aren't worried about it taking far too long. They redid the whole game engine a while back just to stop 1 macro.

 

 

 

They don't use it because Java is extremely limited with accessing computers.