Has Jagex lied to us?

[Krimm911]

I remember a while ago when I read an update about Rule 12 (real world trading) this is what it said from a June 4th, 2007 update:

 

 

 

We would like to remind everyone again that buying RuneScape gold/items for real world money is against the rules and will result in a permanent ban.

 

 

 

Trying to get ahead unfairly by breaking Rule 12 is unacceptable, and doing so also funds many other cheating problems, so we are taking a very strict stance on this now.

 

 

 

As we said we would, we've been working hard to ban players who play unfairly. Since we last posted about this we've banned another 4738 players for buying RuneScape items/gold for real money, which is in breach of rule 12. We don't like banning players, but when they try to spoil the game for everyone else we have no choice. We believe this is also the most effective way to combat the botting, which is a method used by the sellers.

 

 

 

The fact that some people still think they can get away with it and won't just get banned is quite surprising. We really do mean it when we say that buying gold for real-world money = a permanent ban. We have reliable ways to trace this now. It's a shame so many people have to find that out the hard way. (These are NOT people lending items to their friends, we really are sure they were genuinely buying gold for real world money.)

 

 

 

Finally, here are another 2 examples out of the 4738 players we just banned for real world trading:

 

 

 

Player X

 

Total Level: Over 1440

 

Total time in-game: Over 92 days

 

Status: Permanently banned for real-world trading

 

 

 

Player Y

 

Total Level: Over 1500

 

Total time in-game: Over 113 days

 

Status: Permanently banned for real-world trading

 

 

 

What a ridiculous waste! Why these players decided to try to cheat - in a way we can easily detect - and throw their accounts away is hard to comprehend. Don't make the same mistake. Don't buy items/gold for real-world money.

 

 

 

Did you catch the line in there that said we have reliable ways of catching people who are real world trading AND it is very easy to detect? Then why aren't they using this system to catch people who are breaking the rules? Why are they changing parts of the game that people loved to dearly? How come in the past months we haven't had an update of the thousands they have banned since?

 

 

 

These are all questions I have asked myself when there is talk of taking away direct player-to-player trading. I feel as though Jagex has lied in the fact that maybe they aren't doing enough of this basic stuff to combat autoers. If they can detect a grossly disproportional trade (I'm guessing) then why can't they also detect a grossly dispositional stake in the duel arena and remove people selling gold that way.

 

 

 

All I hope is that Jagex would never be stupid enough to take away player-to-player trades. It is going to take the whole RS community to combat autoers. Jagex MUST work in conjunction with the players to stop it. Hopefully they won't punish the honest players for the sins of just a few people breaking the rules.

[Chippy_PK]

no they did not lie, they do use this system to catch all rule breakers, but first they must investigate the suspiscous account and it takes a long time to investigate over 5,000 accounts. takes more then a month!

[Atroxide]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

[elishot]

no they did not lie, they do use this system to catch all rule breakers, but first they must investigate the suspiscous account and it takes a long time to investigate over 5,000 accounts. takes more then a month!

 

 

 

Yeah I agree here, and as I posted somewhere else, I don't think it is as black and white as everyone thinks that it is with banning real world item traders.

[Alina]

Agreed with above posters. Also, I think that Jagex should Ban IP Adresses. Considering the fact that Autoers, And Bots can create accounts as many times as they want. This meens moring lagging to the website, and more Autoers in the game.

 

 

 

No. Jagex did not lie, and they are banning player for rule 12. You'd see how many players rant about being banned from it.

 

 

 

~Alina

[elishot]

Agreed with above posters. Also, I think that Jagex should Ban IP Adresses. Considering the fact that Autoers, And Bots can create accounts as many times as they want. This meens moring lagging to the website, and more Autoers in the game.

 

 

 

No. Jagex did not lie, and they are banning player for rule 12. You'd see how many players rant about being banned from it.

 

 

 

~Alina

 

 

 

I recall one of the Jmods posting on the forums stating that they do IP ban, but the problem is being able to proxy and change IPs.

[Krimm911]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

I posted about IP banning here on the forums earlier this week and someone said that IP banning does not totally get rid of a computer. It has become easier and easier to get around.

 

 

 

My point with this post was that Jagex needs to work with the honest players, not against them. And I have seen nothing that makes me feel as though Jagex wants honest players to help them except with the report abuse button.

[Alina]

Agreed with above posters. Also, I think that Jagex should Ban IP Adresses. Considering the fact that Autoers, And Bots can create accounts as many times as they want. This meens moring lagging to the website, and more Autoers in the game.

 

 

 

No. Jagex did not lie, and they are banning player for rule 12. You'd see how many players rant about being banned from it.

 

 

 

~Alina

 

 

 

I recall one of the Jmods posting on the forums stating that they do IP ban, but the problem is being able to proxy and change IPs.

 

 

 

Ah, I forgot about that. This is the reason it's so hard to get rid of bots. I wish that Jagex had a program that didn't allow access features on your account from other websites. However, I don't think that will happen ever.

 

 

 

~Alina

[truffoo]

Agreed with above posters. Also, I think that Jagex should Ban IP Adresses. Considering the fact that Autoers, And Bots can create accounts as many times as they want. This meens moring lagging to the website, and more Autoers in the game.

 

 

 

No. Jagex did not lie, and they are banning player for rule 12. You'd see how many players rant about being banned from it.

 

 

 

~Alina

 

IP Bans are great in theory, but a majority of home players are on dynamic IP addresses, meaning that next time they restart their router, or login using their modem, they get a new IP address. If they did IP ban, there is a risk (small, but still a risk), that they ban a legitimate player by accident who gets a banned IP assigned.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that they didn't lie, but I suspect that players got a bit smarter and started using Duel Arena to transfer sold gp. That is harder to track compared with basic unbalanced trades.

[Lenin64]

We don't like banning players,

 

I thought this was what you meant by lying. :P

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

[darkblade986]

We don't like banning players,

 

I thought this was what you meant by lying. :P

 

Aren;t there other ways of permanently banning a computer than IPs? Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

 

 

 

I'm sure eventually, the major Operating System creators might make available a specific code that you use which identifies your specific copy. That would then be possible to ban with since rather than banning the connection, you're banning the copy of the disc and the only way to get around it would be to buy a completely new copy of this operating system.

 

 

 

Of course, we don't have this yet, so as of now, the IP ban is the only effective method (kind of).

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Yes, those methods are still in use, and yes those methods do work. You could think of the methods as either fingerprint or DNA forensics, and the updates to further stop it from happening as an identification card or even a retina scan.

 

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls.

[truffoo]

Isnt there some other information specific to a computer that they can use?

 

Not that isn't easily avoided by using a different web browser, reinstalling your PC, etc.

 

 

 

There will never be a foolproof way to identify whether the person is a formerly banned player, or whether they will break the rules again.

[JordanGM]

Yes, those methods are still in use, and yes those methods do work. You could think of the methods as either fingerprint or DNA forensics, and the updates to further stop it from happening as an identification card or even a retina scan.

 

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls.

 

 

 

:lol:

[The Observer]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

They do IP Ban, people just use proxies which changes their IP.

[Olbritishchap]

Yes, those methods are still in use, and yes those methods do work. You could think of the methods as either fingerprint or DNA forensics, and the updates to further stop it from happening as an identification card or even a retina scan.

 

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls.

 

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

lol, depending on the size of the wood, it might be possible :XD:

 

 

 

EDIT:

(These are NOT people lending items to their friends, we really are sure they were genuinely buying gold for real world money.)

 

My [wagon]. *points to sig*

[epeeflecher]

I remember when they posted that. Long time ago.

[llamster]

They ban incredible numbers of players daily.

[lord_british]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

I posted about IP banning here on the forums earlier this week and someone said that IP banning does not totally get rid of a computer. It has become easier and easier to get around.

 

 

 

My point with this post was that Jagex needs to work with the honest players, not against them. And I have seen nothing that makes me feel as though Jagex wants honest players to help them except with the report abuse button.

 

 

 

That'd be me. The only sure-fire way to ban by IP would be to ban the ISP (Internet Provider), but that would ban EVERYONE using that ISP for intarweb access..not so bad for the small fry, but imagine the national phone company, British Telecom, or Pacific-Bell, or AT&T (for example) with MILLIONS of customers....

[jokemaster]

THey are banning them left and right, the only problem is. Nothing is stopping them from coming back and doing it again. Why do you think auto'ers are low levels usually?

 

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

ot: they did not lie

[sonerohi]

Yes, those methods are still in use, and yes those methods do work. You could think of the methods as either fingerprint or DNA forensics, and the updates to further stop it from happening as an identification card or even a retina scan.

 

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls.

 

 

 

but what if its huge wood? the type of wood that when you see it being moved to dam the falls you think "wow that guy has huge wood!!!"? what then?

[berbatovsky]

Smarter cheats will never truly be stopped, unless of course Jagex makes it much harder to cheat in game....mull that over ye who berated Jagex for 'ruining' the game with the duel arena update.

[berbatovsky]

Yes, those methods are still in use, and yes those methods do work. You could think of the methods as either fingerprint or DNA forensics, and the updates to further stop it from happening as an identification card or even a retina scan.

 

 

 

 

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls.

 

 

 

but what if its huge wood? the type of wood that when you see it being moved to dam the falls you think "wow that guy has huge wood!!!"? what then?

 

 

 

Then the world will shudder.

[Our_Moon]

~Even if they are lying, which they may, or may well not, be doing, what are you going to do about it? Their game; their rules. We live in our world and play in theirs.~

[Latinoking]

Also jagex does not IP ban. I have no idea why but they just don't, If they started IP banning people who has 4-5 accounts that are banned it would stop the majority of them from coming back.

 

 

 

Are you serious? Do you know how easy it is to change your ip? Please read upon things before suggesting it. =;