On Lies

[pault]

Who am I to tell you about lies? A liar.

 

 

 

The first lie is that there is truth. Truth is not. Truth does not take place within time but is without presence or substance. Truth is the lack of illumination and thought. Knowledge is bliss, lies build the foundation for thought. The dog asleep and the wallpaper are truth.

 

 

 

The nation, the state, these are not built on lies but are the very embodiment of the first lie. Within the community the individual slowly disappears. The labor beyond necessary means to survive is expressed in money and artificial splendor is the result of money. The platinum and gold plated wris[bleep]ch tells time no better or worse than the free McDonald's plastic.

 

 

 

The second lie is that you are alive right now. You are dying. When animals get old, in nature, they die. Old age is unnatural. Ancient tribes protected their elders once like precious wisdom stolen from god. Now we don't know what to do with all the decrepit, the old, the [developmentally delayed]ed and disgusting, because we don't know what to do with ourselves.

 

 

 

The third lie is motion. Violence, force, reality, time. A clever illusion all in one. How many times today did your ask yourself "Am I dreaming?". Wake up. Somebody is knocking at your door. Open it and accept somebody quite like yourself. They want to ask you, what happened? I used to be happy, I used to go out and do things. Doing and thinking, the same in a healthy man. Happiness is nothingness. Time happens all at once.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you want to know what went wrong with America? Ask a woman. What is fashion? The fourth lie is beauty.

 

 

 

When people are in charge of other people it is always the same. First the followers must believe a lie. Any lie. It could be as simple as "I know better than you what you should do, with yourself." Doing is thinking. All thought requires a solid foundation of lies. Pure action, pure thought, truth. Lie, think, steal.

 

 

 

What is sex? A physical activity shared. The value of reproduction is gone, wiped away from our page in history. Our great grandchildren will ask our radioactive ashes why we just kept on reproducing and making babies and laughing at those cute little things they did while we let machines rape the planet all around us. Something cute. I won't ever breed.

 

 

 

A War on Terror. Go now and put out a fire with fire, and you shall see a war on terror. Go now and drive down to the gas station, if you want to know why we still fight then. If you do not fight a lie, you become part of it.

[Medellin]

Beauty isn't a lie. It's part of our instincts to find the right mate to produce proper offsprings.

[Hydraides]

Beauty isn't a lie. It's part of our instincts to find the right mate to produce proper offsprings.

 

 

 

Fornication for the Nation

[pault]

Beauty isn't a lie. It's part of our instincts to find the right mate to produce proper offsprings.

 

 

 

 

 

But has the instinct to mate become a lie because of overpopulation? Bring more people into this world so they can see it and feel it and touch it, but nobody can say anything that hasn't been felt before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The way you talk about beauty it can be quantified. Small faces big eyes the right shape and size makes it right.

 

 

 

This isn't real.

[Randox]

But from a human perspective all those things exist. Sure time a limitation of our ability to precive an aditional dimension, but that makes it real (well to us anyway).

 

 

 

And not all of us here are dying, im sure theres a 12 year old around here someplace and you don't start to age (dont start dying) untill about 13 years old.

 

 

 

Old age is natural for most cretures. True, in nature a human would never make it there because or old age is much greater than many other speices. We would likely die of disese befor 50.

 

 

 

And the other stuff, well I dont have a clue what your talking about alot of the time. Personally I think you one of those people who think the big democratic nations are out to get everyone.

[pault]

But from a human perspective all those things exist. Sure time a limitation of our ability to precive an aditional dimension, but that makes it real (well to us anyway).

 

 

 

Just because you can measure it doesn't mean it's real. In fact, I challenge the very idea of numbers. To have two of something, of anything, you must be able to label them as the same thing. Two oranges. Two peaches. However no two things are the same. Each orange is unique. And a peach and an orange...dare I say that I have four fruit? Numbers are a symptom of human inexactitude. Lies in motion.

 

 

 

Measure time in seconds and minutes and whatever, but try to show me a second. Can you be here now? No, you are then. And you are going to be. But we are not now. I'm here now.

 

 

 

And not all of us here are dying, im sure theres a 12 year old around here someplace and you don't start to age (dont start dying) untill about 13 years old.

 

 

 

What do you mean? You start dying right after you are born. Living is the same as dying if you think about it. It's all the same process.

 

 

 

 

 

Old age is natural for most cretures. True, in nature a human would never make it there because or old age is much greater than many other speices. We would likely die of disese befor 50.

 

 

 

Erroneous; turtles live hundreds of years, humans are not unique. Old age is not natural, it is simply a mechanic of life that animals are not to grow old and weak. Think about it. Can you challenge Darwinism?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the other stuff, well I dont have a clue what your talking about alot of the time. Personally I think you one of those people who think the big democratic nations are out to get everyone.

 

 

 

Sorry, what big democratic nations?

[Lionheart_0]

But from a human perspective all those things exist. Sure time a limitation of our ability to precive an aditional dimension, but that makes it real (well to us anyway).

 

 

 

Just because you can measure it doesn't mean it's real. In fact, I challenge the very idea of numbers. To have two of something, of anything, you must be able to label them as the same thing. Two oranges. Two peaches. However no two things are the same. Each orange is unique. And a peach and an orange...dare I say that I have four fruit? Numbers are a symptom of human inexactitude. Lies in motion.

 

 

 

Measure time in seconds and minutes and whatever, but try to show me a second. Can you be here now? No, you are then. And you are going to be. But we are not now. I'm here now.

 

Ah. You have found out something here that most humans overlook, brovo.

 

And not all of us here are dying, im sure theres a 12 year old around here someplace and you don't start to age (dont start dying) untill about 13 years old.

 

 

 

What do you mean? You start dying right after you are born. Living is the same as dying if you think about it. It's all the same process.

 

Unfortunately this one is only half the fact. We do start to gain dead cells as we grow older, but we never start 'dying' until we reach the age at which the amount of new cells created cannot keep up with the amount of dead cells.

 

 

 

Old age is natural for most cretures. True, in nature a human would never make it there because or old age is much greater than many other speices. We would likely die of disese befor 50.

 

 

 

Erroneous; turtles live hundreds of years, humans are not unique. Old age is not natural, it is simply a mechanic of life that animals are not to grow old and weak. Think about it. Can you challenge Darwinism?

 

 

 

If growing old is simply a mechanic of life, does that not mean it is natural? I think you are calling the wrong thing natural. Living through events that are meant to kill us using human artificial medicine is more unnatural then old age is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(sorry this is kinda all overt he place)

 

 

 

Do you want to know what went wrong with America? Ask a woman. What is fashion? The fourth lie is beauty.

 

 

 

This is true. But again, artificial man made beauty is a lie. What happens in nature, the bodies we are born with, the faces that bloom. That is real beauty.

[pault]

 

Unfortunately this one is only half the fact. We do start to gain dead cells as we grow older, but we never start 'dying' until we reach the age at which the amount of new cells created cannot keep up with the amount of dead cells.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about cells, or science. This is your life, and it's ending. You have some time on earth, and since the instant you were born, it has been getting smaller. You are dying, every second of your life.

 

 

 

 

 

If growing old is simply a mechanic of life, does that not mean it is natural? I think you are calling the wrong thing natural. Living through events that are meant to kill us using human artificial medicine is more unnatural then old age is.

 

 

 

 

 

What I referred to as a mechanic of life is the death of organisms before they grow old. In nature, anything old and weak will die. Darwinism, simple. Old age only exists because of human society and, like you say, modern medicine. Old age is unnatural, not death, as the culture would have you believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is true. But again, artificial man made beauty is a lie. What happens in nature, the bodies we are born with, the faces that bloom. That is real beauty.

 

 

 

You are not beautiful. I am not beautiful. We are the same trash as everything else. We're raping mother earth while basking in the glorious Technicolor glow of super conducted semantics.

[Lateralus]

Been reading some Palahniuk?

[Bubsa]

Are you going for some creative writing award, or something?

 

You may think this makes you look smart, deep and brooding, but to me and, I'm sure others will agree, it makes you look like a camera posing, Myspace infested adolescent.

 

 

 

I'm not saying you are, but...

[baron8000]

Who am I to tell you about lies? A liar.

 

 

 

The first lie is that there is truth. Truth is not. Truth does not take place within time but is without presence or substance. Truth is the lack of illumination and thought. Knowledge is bliss, lies build the foundation for thought. The dog asleep and the wallpaper are truth.

 

 

 

Wrong. The following statement is true - I am currently typing on my laptop - please disprove this is true

 

 

 

 

The nation, the state, these are not built on lies but are the very embodiment of the first lie. Within the community the individual slowly disappears.

 

 

 

So you live separately from society then, if not, woop woop hypocrisy

 

 

 

The labor beyond necessary means to survive is expressed in money and artificial splendor is the result of money. The platinum and gold plated wris[bleep]ch tells time no better or worse than the free McDonald's plastic.

 

 

 

Your internet connection is a necessary means to survive then? Presumably you live in a tree and eat what you find in the street? You can survive that way right?

 

 

 

 

The second lie is that you are alive right now. You are dying. When animals get old, in nature, they die. Old age is unnatural. Ancient tribes protected their elders once like precious wisdom stolen from god. Now we don't know what to do with all the decrepit, the old, the [developmentally delayed] and disgusting, because we don't know what to do with ourselves.

 

 

 

Wrong, you can be both alive and dying at the same time, if you weren't alive, how could you be dying? Transfer of states buddy, transfer of states.

 

 

 

 

The third lie is motion. Violence, force, reality, time. A clever illusion all in one. How many times today did your ask yourself "Am I dreaming?". Wake up. Somebody is knocking at your door. Open it and accept somebody quite like yourself. They want to ask you, what happened? I used to be happy, I used to go out and do things. Doing and thinking, the same in a healthy man. Happiness is nothingness. Time happens all at once.

 

 

 

lawnmower, moose, strawberry, washing basket, guitar. Oh sorry I thought we were playing "incoherency"

 

 

 

 

Do you want to know what went wrong with America?

 

 

 

Nope

 

 

 

 

When people are in charge of other people it is always the same. First the followers must believe a lie. Any lie. It could be as simple as "I know better than you what you should do, with yourself." Doing is thinking. All thought requires a solid foundation of lies. Pure action, pure thought, truth. Lie, think, steal.

 

 

 

Sometimes people do know what's better for other people - doctors ring a bell?

 

 

 

I won't ever breed.

 

 

 

oh no, stop, stop, the precious genes will be lost

 

 

 

Man I was NOT in the mood for having my time wasted with poorly written musings about not very much in particular.

[Medellin]

But has the instinct to mate become a lie because of overpopulation? Bring more people into this world so they can see it and feel it and touch it, but nobody can say anything that hasn't been felt before.

 

 

 

The way you talk about beauty it can be quantified. Small faces big eyes the right shape and size makes it right.

 

 

 

This isn't real.

 

 

 

What isn't real? Beauty isn't tangible, yeah. But it sure as hell is real.

[BlueLancer]

I'd rather understand his post as an "essay", not as a document which tries to impose absolute truths.

 

 

 

You've got some good points, such as humans trying to rationalize and categorize "reality", like in your orange example. True, even though the 2 fruits are of the same species, they aren't really the same. I don't see how that's relevant to our reality though.

 

 

 

First the followers must believe a lie. Any lie. It could be as simple as "I know better than you what you should do, with yourself."

 

 

 

When it comes to lousy politicians (not talking about the better ones such as Churchill), I couldn't agree more. But in civilian reality, it is a very good idea to make evaluations of people and ponder if they are fit to know better what you should do, than you yourself (such as a doctor, lawyer, specialist, etc.). Trusting them could be beneficial to you or even save you money, health, even your freedom or life.

 

 

 

A War on Terror. Go now and put out a fire with fire, and you shall see a war on terror.

 

 

 

I'm also wondering why the USA thinks it can stop terrorism by more violence, killing innocent bystanders, women, children with every airstrike, which will just breed more sorrow and hate amogst those who may even once sympathized with the americans.

 

 

 

I've tried to imagine, but I really don't know how horrible it would feel if your family had done nothing bad, and suddenly a foreign nation in pursuit of a single 'terrorist' bombs down your entire town, destroys your house, kills your parents and your brothers and sisters, while you remain alive...

 

 

 

If that person turns to blind rage and sadness and retaliates on other people... Can you really say YOU wouldn't have the same reaction? Would you just suck it up that your entire life, family and friends are lost in a matter of 2 minutes of bombing?

[raylifes]

Do you want to know what went wrong with America? Ask a woman. What is fashion? The fourth lie is beauty.

 

 

 

This is true. But again, artificial man made beauty is a lie. What happens in nature, the bodies we are born with, the faces that bloom. That is real beauty.

 

 

 

Wrong... Since beauty is subjective, not objective and everyone sees beauty in different things, just about everything is beautiful to someone.

 

 

 

Are you going for some creative writing award, or something?

 

You may think this makes you look smart, deep and brooding, but to me and, I'm sure others will agree, it makes you look like a camera posing, Myspace infested adolescent.

 

 

 

I'm not saying you are, but...

 

 

 

I have to agree, because I find the writing style you use extremely annoying to read. It's usually used by teenagers who want to sound smart and it doesn't really work in my opinion.

[dsavi]

The dog asleep and the wallpaper are truth.

 

 

 

:?

 

 

 

I think you belong on the Philosophy forums.

[Biabf]

The dog asleep and the wallpaper are truth.

 

 

 

:?

 

 

 

I think you belong on the Philosophy forums.

TOO LATE, he already posted it on one.

 

 

 

Have to agree with some of the others, annoying way of writing it...

[Lionheart_0]

I would love to debate these kinds of topics more as they make people think about their life and how life works then topic such as politics or religion (proving or disproving).

 

 

 

I might come back later to touch on points people have said about what I've said.

[Evilperson]

Are you going for some creative writing award, or something?

 

You may think this makes you look smart, deep and brooding, but to me and, I'm sure others will agree, it makes you look like a camera posing, Myspace infested adolescent.

 

 

 

I'm not saying you are, but...

 

 

 

I'll agree

 

 

 

Circle gets the square.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But on a more serious note: You talk about lies, and then talk about what the definition of "two" is.

 

 

 

You do realize it is impossible to lie if we do not know the truth. Since you don't believe in truth to begin with, how can you call something that isn't the truth a lie? If i am understanding you correctly, you do not have flowing logic.

 

 

 

You are not a special or unique flower, stop trying to be one. Just because you are depressed doesn't mean you suddenly realize how horrible the world/ the United States is.

 

 

 

And then you go and rag on sex. One of the few free (for most of us, maybe not yourself) things in the world. Why do you have to go and spew such slander and write such slander? Shame on you sir.

[Nadril]

Y'know I read this in hopes of you not trying to connect it to the war or 9/11.

 

 

 

 

 

Guess I hoped too much.

[Bloodredsword]

Are you going for some creative writing award, or something?

 

You may think this makes you look smart, deep and brooding, but to me and, I'm sure others will agree, it makes you look like a camera posing, Myspace infested adolescent.

 

 

 

I'm not saying you are, but...

 

 

 

=D>

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I agree on with you(pault) is that we start dying from birth....its true. Our bodies(slowly) deteriorate until we finally die at the ripe old age of 80....ect.

 

 

 

 

 

How is truth a lie? It is truth that we base our life on. If there was no truth...none of us would be here.

[Jaziek]

You know what else is a lie?

 

 

 

The cake.

[Errdoth]

Haha, the 9/11 conspiracy dude is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

[assassin_696]

Are you going for some creative writing award, or something?

 

You may think this makes you look smart, deep and brooding, but to me and, I'm sure others will agree, it makes you look like a camera posing, Myspace infested adolescent.

 

 

 

I'm not saying you are, but...

 

 

 

I agree, you made a lot of big claims there dressed up in big fancy words then completely skimmed over them.

 

 

 

For example: "Motion is an illusion"

 

 

 

What are you on (about) ?

[Bloodredsword]

 

For example: "Motion is an illusion"

 

 

 

What are you on (about) ?

 

 

 

I just moved my hand! OMG! It MUST be an illusion.

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

[misterxman]

Now we don't know what to do with all the decrepit, the old, the [developmentally delayed] and disgusting, because we don't know what to do with ourselves.

 

 

 

What do you mean we don't know what to do with ourselves? And why/how does that affect how we take care of the elderly? Who is "we"? Americans? People in the world in general? Other?

 

 

 

Overall your post felt mostly poetic, or an overgeneralizing opinion.