It's worth it.

 

If they just didn't do anything the game would be full of cheaters.

 

Atleast this way they are stopping some or many cheaters and don't say

 

Jagex is killing the game, I would rather die with a fight than just accept

 

that I have been defeated without a fight.

 

 

 

Together we can win!

People don't realize that before the wilderness, there were barely ANY autoers. Why?

 

because they got their [wagon] whipped back to lumby.

 

Of course there was non-pk option, but take that away and I say we'd have a lot more exciting runescape.

 

Of course this is dreaming since the biggest part of RS are ppl who've never seen the wild, much less seen the wild with anything of value equipped or in inventory.

 

I'd gladly post pics of ppl wearing party hats in lvl 40 wild , skulled, on rsc , just to show you the difference of the gameplay style.

 

 

 

rs1: for ppl who enjoyed just a little bit of excitement. and i say why not bring back "pk everywhere" except towns. just like it was b4 things got screwed up.

...do you think that these updates are actually effective, and do the ends justify the means? Is it worth destroying a fairly large legitimate proportion or players in order to achieve the goal of Runescape without cheaters?

 

 

 

 

 

So far, there's no chance of the updates being effective. As people have pointed out, the RWT-merchants can still pass items through trading, drop-trading and rigged PKing, so nothing's changed yet.

 

 

 

Now, if Jagex were to change all those things to attack RWT - plus all the other item-transfer methods I haven't thought about - it'd be pretty effective, but then would it justify the changes to RuneScape?

 

 

 

I notice the party room's little update will have its own effects on anyone trying to do RWT in there. We can no longer try to drop valuable items via the chest without the drop party being advertized to everybody in every bank across the whole world. Still, that's the least of our worries.

But it was all worth the cost, because now there are no more illegal drugs in the US!

 

do you really believe this?...

 

 

 

and ontopic=I don't think its worth it... prices are dropping like crazy :S

 

 

 

I think he was being sarcastic. Qeltar, sarcasm is sometimes okay to display a point, but make it more obvious on your intentions.

 

 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but that seemed fairly obvious that it was sarcasm to me.

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't see any real way how Jagex can stop RWT for good..Although they're destroying stuff we like, it shows that they're still trying (kind of).

 

 

 

Actually, it was obvious to me about 10 words in. I guess sarcasm and runescape just don't mix. :-k

It's all worth it.

 

 

 

I can remember many years ago when, here in the U.S. of A., we used to have a serious problem with illegal drugs. Fortunately, the government stepped in and instituted a set of increasingly tough anti-drug laws. People had their rights violated, small-time users were jailed, normal cold medications became difficult to buy, junkies turned to black markets, and innocent people had their doors kicked in.

 

 

 

But it was all worth the cost, because now there are no more illegal drugs in the US!

 

 

 

tell that to the pot dealers that live near my friends house.

It won't solve anything. You can still have fake DMs in the wild or pretend to get killed by a monster, poison, etc. If someone wants to buy gold, there is no way Jagex will stop them (except with a ban). :shame:

 

 

 

I diasgree. Gold trading (at least in worthwhile amounts) can easily be stopped. We already have the Duel Arena blocked and the GE for trade. All Jagex has to do now are the following :

 

 

 

1) Dropped coins are immeduately destroyed

 

2) If you are carring coins when you die those coins are destroyed

 

3) No direct transfer of cash between players via the Trade Screen. You would still be able to trade between players, but only on a "barter" basis. ie. no cash involved

 

 

 

This I think covers all the possible ways to transfer large amounts of cash.

 

 

 

No cash...lol. Guess what? Instead of giving their buyers gold coins, the autoers sell their goods on the GE, and buy something else with that cash, such as whips. Instead of buying 15m cash, you get a few whips.

 

 

 

Don't see how that fixed a thing.

 

 

 

And as for the guy above me... :roll: I rest my case from my last post.

But it was all worth the cost, because now there are no more illegal drugs in the US!

 

do you really believe this?...

 

 

 

and ontopic=I don't think its worth it... prices are dropping like crazy :S

 

 

 

I think he was being sarcastic. Qeltar, sarcasm is sometimes okay to display a point, but make it more obvious on your intentions.

 

 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but that seemed fairly obvious that it was sarcasm to me.

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't see any real way how Jagex can stop RWT for good..Although they're destroying stuff we like, it shows that they're still trying (kind of).

 

 

 

Actually, it was obvious to me about 10 words in. I guess sarcasm and runescape just don't mix. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

change RS to internet or typed words... i hate when i cant convey a point with just words how i could over the phone.

But it was all worth the cost, because now there are no more illegal drugs in the US!

 

do you really believe this?...

 

 

 

and ontopic=I don't think its worth it... prices are dropping like crazy :S

 

 

 

I think he was being sarcastic. Qeltar, sarcasm is sometimes okay to display a point, but make it more obvious on your intentions.

 

 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but that seemed fairly obvious that it was sarcasm to me.

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't see any real way how Jagex can stop RWT for good..Although they're destroying stuff we like, it shows that they're still trying (kind of).

 

 

 

Actually, it was obvious to me about 10 words in. I guess sarcasm and runescape just don't mix. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

change RS to internet or typed words... i hate when i can convey a point with just words how i could over the phone.

 

 

 

Mmm...I don't know, I don't usually have much trouble with writing. Do know what you mean, though.

This reminds me of some movie where, in order to make whatever it is perfect, the robot in charge tries to detsroy everything there or something. Don't remember what it was called, but that's kinda what this is. Eventually they'll just close down the game to stop the cheaters :wall:

 

 

 

Oh, I think I've seen it. Damn, I can't remember the title either, but yes, that's basically what's going on. Jagex is trying to achieve perfection by destroying what is imperfect, or even has the potential to be imperfect. In the end, you realise that once that goal is performed, there is not enough of the perfect to have a point.

 

 

 

Maybe we just have accept that there is no way to have a self sustaining game without some kind of method of cheating, and so we will just have to resort to reporting and manual banning?

 

IRobot, and no, it won't be worth it in the long run.

This reminds me of some movie where, in order to make whatever it is perfect, the robot in charge tries to detsroy everything there or something. Don't remember what it was called, but that's kinda what this is. Eventually they'll just close down the game to stop the cheaters :wall:

 

 

 

Oh, I think I've seen it. Damn, I can't remember the title either, but yes, that's basically what's going on. Jagex is trying to achieve perfection by destroying what is imperfect, or even has the potential to be imperfect. In the end, you realise that once that goal is performed, there is not enough of the perfect to have a point.

 

 

 

Maybe we just have accept that there is no way to have a self sustaining game without some kind of method of cheating, and so we will just have to resort to reporting and manual banning?

 

IRobot, and no, it won't be worth it in the long run.

 

 

 

Ah, that's it. It was a good film.

 

 

 

Should this be a poll, because we have people thinking on either side?

No it shouldnt be a poll, just because a few ppl put their heads 2gether.

No it shouldnt be a poll, just because a few ppl put their heads 2gether.

 

 

 

Alright, alright. I was asking a question whether we should, not a 'we should do this' suggestion. Shoulda put in a question mark... :-w

 

 

 

Edit: Full stop removal and question mark replacement and insertion procedure completed. All systems are go.

I totally support Jagex's attacks on autos. The worst thing that could happen is temporary economic crisis, then the faithful players will hang on and adapt, no matter how slow. Know why? 'cause a clean game is a respected game, and I seriously think fame comes from dignity. Who knows? Runescape may be even more popular when all the bots and cheaters are wiped out. :P Now that's what I call a successful game (dealing with problems, no matter how big the cost) 8-)

I totally support Jagex's attacks on autos. The worst thing that could happen is temporary economic crisis, then the faithful players will hang on and adapt, no matter how slow. Know why? 'cause a clean game is a respected game, and I seriously think fame comes from dignity. Who knows? Runescape may be even more popular when all the bots and cheaters are wiped out. :P Now that's what I call a successful game (dealing with problems, no matter how big the cost) 8-)

 

 

 

Can I borrow those rose-tinted glasses you're wearing please? :XD:

People used to be able to make livings off of staking. Now... it will take 9160 days to stake up to a phat set at 12k an hour... And tournies don't fix it. You can't select your own rules, nor can you choose who to fight. I'm no staker, but jagex messed up there big time in my opinion. Other updates I've liked.

Jagex in my mind is doing an excellent job stopping RWT people.

 

 

 

They are also doing a crap job to their customers/players.

 

 

 

Overall Jagex get's an F as players come before the RWT/Cheaters, even if getting rid of them is in the benefit of the players, the steps you take have to be neutral or good to the players, not hurtful like the staking update.

It won't solve anything. You can still have fake DMs in the wild or pretend to get killed by a monster, poison, etc. If someone wants to buy gold, there is no way Jagex will stop them (except with a ban). :shame:

 

 

 

I disagree. Gold trading (at least in worthwhile amounts) can easily be stopped. We already have the Duel Arena blocked and the GE for trade. All Jagex has to do now are the following :

 

 

 

1) Dropped coins are immeduately destroyed

 

2) If you are carring coins when you die those coins are destroyed

 

3) No direct transfer of cash between players via the Trade Screen. You would still be able to trade between players, but only on a "barter" basis. ie. no cash involved

 

 

 

This I think covers all the possible ways to transfer large amounts of cash.

 

 

 

No, just no. I don't agree with the 1st, second and 3rd suggestions because they are all based on one loose factor, RWT. We can't assume RWT in-game and try to make restrictions based on those assumptions, since RWT is a tough concept to fully understand, and how you can try to pick out which person is conducting RWT and which person isn't and just happens to fall into those predefined categories of what Jagex assumes to be RWT.

 

 

 

Take an example.

 

 

 

A player is death matching against another player. Hence the name, Death Matches are fights with no food, running, teleporting, pots and prayer. a sort of Duel with those rules set in effect. One player loses easily for an undefined reason. It could be due to several factors, the person probably was a pure and had low defense and high strength with mid attack, and the winning side had high defense with higher attack and high strength, or had a melee weapon with a high strength/attack bonus and amour with a high stab/crush/slash defense bonus, you never know. How is Jagex able to blatantly pick out the differences between what is RWT and isn't in this example? Jagex just assumes it's RWT because one person died easily, as if he let the "winner" actually "win". But this is a death match, the odds are supposed to be about even steven for each player. But the problem here is there are many more deciding factors than a person supposedly letting themselves die to a customer to transfer gold.

 

 

 

Jagex needs to look to see if the winner had a higher Combat Level, any skills ranked in high scores, etc. You'd think no one in their right mind would actually DM a person who is stronger than them, but some people are risk-takers, and besides, like the thrill of taking on such a challenge, no matter what the odds. The possibilities of RWT here are dim, but if Jagex knows what they're doing, it was RWT. The are many factors and the factors here are variable so you don't know for sure.

 

 

 

Now let's take a look at your points.

 

 

 

1) Dropped coins are immeduately destroyed

 

 

 

What if you accidentally die to a random event and drop any coins you just happen to be carrying? This is overlapping on the one-minute death rule. People will be saddened to see the words come into their chatbox: "Oh dear, you are dead! Your coins are destroyed to prevent any possibilities of attempted Real World Item Trading."

 

 

 

2: Same thing as 1.

 

 

 

3: How are people supposed to get money then? Through the general store with their high-maintenance prices? People will actually have to skill to get money, and selling their raw or end products to the General Store will not birth a good amount of money for anything decent, considering the more of the same materials you have to sell to the general store would decrease in price, and other people would have to buy the materials with the little money they even have to stop price deflation. This is a good example of obvious poorly-maintained "supply and demand", but the supply here isn't the raw or end products obtained from skilling, it's money. Jagex ain't gonna give free money hand outs to each person to combat this is implemented, buddy. (Obviously, it won't, but :P)

 

 

 

This last point also contradicts your point about the GE. The GE is a transformed way of trading between players, although to some might not seem very efficient. How are people supposed to trade money with one another when the GE is meant as a means of exchanging GP at a reasonable price for goods? If this suggestion only applies to free market trading, it will fail, because the GE follows a set market price system (prices calculated by a maintained free market price), and the GE has its prices set up by a people trading GP for goods on the free/loose market. If people aren't allowed to exchange money with each other outside the GE, why bother having GE as an update?

 

 

 

Think your points through before you post.

They should stop destroying parts of the game, and start working on the detection systems for programs that auto-log and play runescape. Most other online games can easily detect this because they have pre-game startup programs like Game guard that protect from auto programs from playing. Possibly they could build something like this into the java file that runescape config is kept on your computer that detects these actions, and that runescape would not play if this file was missing or corrupt. That would easily solve the problem. Changing in-game items simply angers players, as well as making only a simple obstacle that programs must be programed around, and if they are good, they can probably fix it in a matter of days, and have their business back up and running.