Zombie Plans-Revised

[Nenga]

[hide=]Zombies could climb over a 5 foot wall. I would say an 8-12'foot wall would be sufficient. We're talking about stacking, but the zombies don't stack and pile up intentionally, they just try to climb up onto eachother.

 

Regardless of what the zombie guide says, stacking is not very plausible. Here's an example. I was at a concert a few weeks ago, and the singer threw a marching-band drum into the crowd, and stood up on top of it in the crowd. He was falling down constantly, and people were trying to help him stay up. Zombies would not even notice people were climbing on them, and the ones on top would fall down almost immediately, especially with the zombies on the bottom constantly moving to get closer to the wall. It's just not plausible for zombies to "stack" except for in very, very rare cases.

 

15 foot wall. Someone suggested 10 foot thick. That's ridiculous. To have 1 foot in length of that wall, you'd need 150 cubic feet of cement.

 

 

 

To surround an 100x100' area, you'd need 60,000 cubic feet of cement. I think, I'm exhausted and my math might be off.

 

If you had that built before zombies came, that would cost you a minimum of 1.5 million, minus labor costs. Let's say the wall was 1 foot thick, that would still be 150 grand. And that's only for a 100*100 square area. That's not enough space to grow food to feed even a single person.

 

 

 

In an ideal situation, we would have a 20 foot tall wall (raider protection etc), 20 foot thick, covering a 20 square mile area. Then, a giant citadel in the center, with farmland surrounding it. But we're not going to have an ideal situation.

 

 

 

Also, a chainlink fence is safer than you might think. The real danger is the weight of the zombies uprooting the fence. But with diligent defense, that would not be an issue if there wasn't an enormous horde, and we had enough ammunition. Hell, with spears, we could stab through a chainlink fence. That's actually a good idea now that I think of it. Get some spears, sharpened metal poles, or whatever, and stab through the fence. That would be an easy way to control them.

 

 

 

But yeah, reasonably, you're gonna have to use what you have, where you are. Traveling across the country/world during the apocalypse is illogical. Here's my advice: Think of a easily defensible place in your area, and make a plan off of that. Or find a really out of the way wilderness area that you can get to, that would be able to support you.

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But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

well we can just let them climb over then, because we don't want to break anything. :roll:

[Alg]

[hide=]Zombies could climb over a 5 foot wall. I would say an 8-12'foot wall would be sufficient. We're talking about stacking, but the zombies don't stack and pile up intentionally, they just try to climb up onto eachother.

 

Regardless of what the zombie guide says, stacking is not very plausible. Here's an example. I was at a concert a few weeks ago, and the singer threw a marching-band drum into the crowd, and stood up on top of it in the crowd. He was falling down constantly, and people were trying to help him stay up. Zombies would not even notice people were climbing on them, and the ones on top would fall down almost immediately, especially with the zombies on the bottom constantly moving to get closer to the wall. It's just not plausible for zombies to "stack" except for in very, very rare cases.

 

15 foot wall. Someone suggested 10 foot thick. That's ridiculous. To have 1 foot in length of that wall, you'd need 150 cubic feet of cement.

 

 

 

To surround an 100x100' area, you'd need 60,000 cubic feet of cement. I think, I'm exhausted and my math might be off.

 

If you had that built before zombies came, that would cost you a minimum of 1.5 million, minus labor costs. Let's say the wall was 1 foot thick, that would still be 150 grand. And that's only for a 100*100 square area. That's not enough space to grow food to feed even a single person.

 

 

 

In an ideal situation, we would have a 20 foot tall wall (raider protection etc), 20 foot thick, covering a 20 square mile area. Then, a giant citadel in the center, with farmland surrounding it. But we're not going to have an ideal situation.

 

 

 

Also, a chainlink fence is safer than you might think. The real danger is the weight of the zombies uprooting the fence. But with diligent defense, that would not be an issue if there wasn't an enormous horde, and we had enough ammunition. Hell, with spears, we could stab through a chainlink fence. That's actually a good idea now that I think of it. Get some spears, sharpened metal poles, or whatever, and stab through the fence. That would be an easy way to control them.

 

 

 

But yeah, reasonably, you're gonna have to use what you have, where you are. Traveling across the country/world during the apocalypse is illogical. Here's my advice: Think of a easily defensible place in your area, and make a plan off of that. Or find a really out of the way wilderness area that you can get to, that would be able to support you.

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But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

well we can just let them climb over then, because we don't want to break anything. :roll:

 

A headless spear is still a pole, and those can still be dangerous enough.

[gauper_kid]

 

But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

 

 

So are you saying that we should completely disregard a weapon because there's a chance that it might break? -.-

[Seraphi]

 

But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

 

 

So are you saying that we should completely disregard a weapon because there's a chance that it might break? -.-

 

OH GOD. HE IS RIGHT. WE SHOULD DISREGARD WALLS AS WELL, SINCE THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

AND USING OUR HANDS, THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

How about we just lie down and die, eh?

[H2PM]

 

But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

 

 

So are you saying that we should completely disregard a weapon because there's a chance that it might break? -.-

 

OH GOD. HE IS RIGHT. WE SHOULD DISREGARD WALLS AS WELL, SINCE THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

AND USING OUR HANDS, THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

How about we just lie down and die, eh?

 

[Kiriyama]

 

But then if the spear gets stuck in the zombie's head and u try to pull it out, there's a chance that it might get caught in the fence (at an angle) which might destroy the spearhead while pulling it back through the fence...

 

 

 

So are you saying that we should completely disregard a weapon because there's a chance that it might break? -.-

 

OH GOD. HE IS RIGHT. WE SHOULD DISREGARD WALLS AS WELL, SINCE THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

AND USING OUR HANDS, THEY MIGHT BREAK.

 

How about we just lie down and die, eh?

 

 

 

Oh CRAP! Every weapon can break! They're useless! We're screwed!

 

 

 

I mean, it's not like spears are hard to create or anything. A simple one can be a knife on the end of a pole. If anything, with a chain link fence, a spear seems like a good idea, since you can directly hit the eye. Plus it'd be a straight trust, not putting it at an angle, and we're likely to use metal shafts, rather than the easily broken wooden ones.

 

 

 

Traditional spears seems useless, but, hand-made ones, assuming a good connection between blade and shaft, means that it is nearly unbreakable. Hell, we could even just sharpen the end of a metal pole to make the spear, since the point only provides a gateway for the rest to get in.

[Mio]

 

He's just a kid who wants to look cool. A sword as a weapon is better than no weapon but there are better alternatives. Still if you only have a sword to use then go for it.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok One Second.

 

A: Im not a Kid, Im 14 years old.

 

B: How the ... am I trying to look cool?

[Alg]

Well good luck with the zombies

[Kiriyama]

The real issue with a 5 foot wall isn't zombies.

 

 

 

It's other humans, with the ability to easily climb that wall.

 

 

 

Therefore, at least a 10 foot wall would be best.

[Furah]

A: Im not a Kid, Im 14 years old.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

 

Zombies could climb over a 5 foot wall. I would say an 8-12'foot wall would be sufficient. We're talking about stacking, but the zombies don't stack and pile up intentionally, they just try to climb up onto eachother.

 

Regardless of what the zombie guide says, stacking is not very plausible. Here's an example. I was at a concert a few weeks ago, and the singer threw a marching-band drum into the crowd, and stood up on top of it in the crowd. He was falling down constantly, and people were trying to help him stay up. Zombies would not even notice people were climbing on them, and the ones on top would fall down almost immediately, especially with the zombies on the bottom constantly moving to get closer to the wall. It's just not plausible for zombies to "stack" except for in very, very rare cases.

 

15 foot wall. Someone suggested 10 foot thick. That's ridiculous. To have 1 foot in length of that wall, you'd need 150 cubic feet of cement.

 

 

 

To surround an 100x100' area, you'd need 60,000 cubic feet of cement. I think, I'm exhausted and my math might be off.

 

If you had that built before zombies came, that would cost you a minimum of 1.5 million, minus labor costs. Let's say the wall was 1 foot thick, that would still be 150 grand. And that's only for a 100*100 square area. That's not enough space to grow food to feed even a single person.

 

 

 

In an ideal situation, we would have a 20 foot tall wall (raider protection etc), 20 foot thick, covering a 20 square mile area. Then, a giant citadel in the center, with farmland surrounding it. But we're not going to have an ideal situation.

 

 

 

Also, a chainlink fence is safer than you might think. The real danger is the weight of the zombies uprooting the fence. But with diligent defense, that would not be an issue if there wasn't an enormous horde, and we had enough ammunition. Hell, with spears, we could stab through a chainlink fence. That's actually a good idea now that I think of it. Get some spears, sharpened metal poles, or whatever, and stab through the fence. That would be an easy way to control them.

 

 

 

But yeah, reasonably, you're gonna have to use what you have, where you are. Traveling across the country/world during the apocalypse is illogical. Here's my advice: Think of a easily defensible place in your area, and make a plan off of that. Or find a really out of the way wilderness area that you can get to, that would be able to support you.

 

Only 1 in 10 zombies can climb a ladder, let alone a 5 foot wall...

 

Raiders could, and so could the zombies it there were enough lying there dead, which wouldn't take that long.

[Furah]

The real issue with a 5 foot wall isn't zombies.

 

 

 

It's other humans, with the ability to easily climb that wall.

 

 

 

Therefore, at least a 10 foot wall would be best.

 

The average American height is only 5'9'', so you would probably leave it at 8 feet to keep it out fo their arm's reach. Plus, let's not forget that if it was a 5 foot wall it would be topped with [bleep]es or razor wire.

 

 

 

Also, we've talked about the body stacking before. We just burn them every other day or knock them down with a long stick if there is a gasoline shortage.

 

To be on the safe side, a 10-15 foot wall will be what we want.

[Furah]

The real issue with a 5 foot wall isn't zombies.

 

 

 

It's other humans, with the ability to easily climb that wall.

 

 

 

Therefore, at least a 10 foot wall would be best.

 

The average American height is only 5'9'', so you would probably leave it at 8 feet to keep it out fo their arm's reach. Plus, let's not forget that if it was a 5 foot wall it would be topped with [bleep]es or razor wire.

 

 

 

Also, we've talked about the body stacking before. We just burn them every other day or knock them down with a long stick if there is a gasoline shortage.

 

To be on the safe side, a 10-15 foot wall will be what we want.

 

Sadly, that is very, very out of reach (pardon the pun). It would take hundreds of man hours to build and cost valuable resources. Not only that, assuming that this wall is 15feet tall, 2feet wide, and 20 feet long, we'd need 600 cubic feet of that material.

 

 

 

That is veryresource inefficient.

 

It is not about resource efficient, it is about whether we want to be [bleep]ing sure of them and raiders, who can climb, not being able to get in. With a 5 foot wall a raider could throw a body onto the wire and then use it to get over the wall before we have enough warning, even 2 raiders would get in without the need of any materials. A 15 foot wall becomes a problem for a raider as he has to be able to scale the wall then get over the wire.

[deathdrow]

I like digging holes, would that be helpful at all for tzdf?

[Sam]

I like digging holes, would that be helpful at all for tzdf?

 

 

 

There is a flaw in your plan; what if they find they hole that you dug? :mrgreen:

[Alg]

I like digging holes, would that be helpful at all for tzdf?

 

 

 

There is a flaw in your plan; what if they find they hole that you dug? :mrgreen:

 

They can barely climb though. Maybe a hole would be better than a wall. As long as you empty it every so often. Be easier to make too.

[Seraphi]

The real issue with a 5 foot wall isn't zombies.

 

 

 

It's other humans, with the ability to easily climb that wall.

 

 

 

Therefore, at least a 10 foot wall would be best.

 

The average American height is only 5'9'', so you would probably leave it at 8 feet to keep it out fo their arm's reach. Plus, let's not forget that if it was a 5 foot wall it would be topped with [bleep]es or razor wire.

 

 

 

Also, we've talked about the body stacking before. We just burn them every other day or knock them down with a long stick if there is a gasoline shortage.

 

To be on the safe side, a 10-15 foot wall will be what we want.

 

Sadly, that is very, very out of reach (pardon the pun). It would take hundreds of man hours to build and cost valuable resources. Not only that, assuming that this wall is 15feet tall, 2feet wide, and 20 feet long, we'd need 600 cubic feet of that material.

 

 

 

That is veryresource inefficient.

 

It is not about resource efficient, it is about whether we want to be [bleep] sure of them and raiders, who can climb, not being able to get in. With a 5 foot wall a raider could throw a body onto the wire and then use it to get over the wall before we have enough warning, even 2 raiders would get in without the need of any materials. A 15 foot wall becomes a problem for a raider as he has to be able to scale the wall then get over the wire.

 

Exactly. two human raiders would be able to get in with ease if the wall were 8-10 foot tall, to be totally safe, I'd say it would need to be at least 12 feet, with 15 feet being ideal. And if we have say, 30-40 people, a good 15 foot wall around the entire perimeter wouldn't take that long to build, with 25 builders and 15 guards.

[Wisp]

Ok. Seriously guys, no wall would keep a raider out. Unless it was literally atleast 50 feet tall, a raider could get up. Ever hear of ladders, ropes, grappling hooks, or even just teamwork amongst the raiders to help eachother up? I can climb up a ten foot wall on my own, even if it's just concrete, but if our walls were wood there would be so many parts that would make it easy to climb.

 

 

 

People, a wall is a luxury, not a necessity. If you go somewhere obscure, well out of human civilization, you could barbed wire. It wouldn't keep many out, but it would catch up zombies, and you wouldn't be dealing with more than a few at a time, if any at all.

 

It would take weeks for hundreds of people to build a wall the size some of you are suggesting, if they had the right equipment. We won't have hundreds of cement trucks and all. A cement wall, unless it's already built, is pretty much impossible.

[EGmaestro]

 

He's just a kid who wants to look cool. A sword as a weapon is better than no weapon but there are better alternatives. Still if you only have a sword to use then go for it.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok One Second.

 

A: Im not a Kid, Im 14 years old.

 

B: How the ... am I trying to look cool?

 

 

 

:lol: sorry bud but 14 is well within the kid range.

 

 

 

Ok. Seriously guys, no wall would keep a raider out. Unless it was literally atleast 50 feet tall, a raider could get up. Ever hear of ladders, ropes, grappling hooks, or even just teamwork amongst the raiders to help eachother up? I can climb up a ten foot wall on my own, even if it's just concrete, but if our walls were wood there would be so many parts that would make it easy to climb.

 

 

 

People, a wall is a luxury, not a necessity. If you go somewhere obscure, well out of human civilization, you could barbed wire. It wouldn't keep many out, but it would catch up zombies, and you wouldn't be dealing with more than a few at a time, if any at all.

 

It would take weeks for hundreds of people to build a wall the size some of you are suggesting, if they had the right equipment. We won't have hundreds of cement trucks and all. A cement wall, unless it's already built, is pretty much impossible.

 

 

 

doom wins. we can end the arguing over a wall now. i was gonna post pretty much the same thing but he beat me to it. -.-

[deathdrow]

Couldn't we have two three foot wide moats, that are five feet deep, then a wood, with something filling the cracks or solidifying it? and sharpen the tips of the wood?

[EGmaestro]

and then we can put alligators in it...then make a drawbridge...and a castle...and..and knights on pretty ponies and..

 

 

 

haha im kidding. that might work, but it would be really easy to get across, especially for raiders, all they have to do is lay down some planks and walk across

[Alg]

You could pile the dirt from digging it on one side as a wall too

 

 

 

As for raiders, that's why we (might) have guns

[Hunter360x]

Couldn't we have two three foot wide moats, that are five feet deep, then a wood, with something filling the cracks or solidifying it? and sharpen the tips of the wood?

 

 

 

That would stop the first wave but the next few would just walk on top of the already dead ones, once again this wouldn't stop raiders. Btw are we assuming that zombies have an instinctual knowledge of where live humans are?

 

 

 

Hunter

[Wisp]

They don't know where humans are always, but they will wander till they pick up a scent of humans/animals, see one, hear one etc.

[gauper_kid]

They don't know where humans are always, but they will wander till they pick up a scent of humans/animals, see one, hear one etc.

 

I don't think we should assume anything about zombies, just prepare for the worst.

[Seraphi]

They don't know where humans are always, but they will wander till they pick up a scent of humans/animals, see one, hear one etc.

 

I don't think we should assume anything about zombies, just prepare for the worst.

 

The guide allows us to understand basic zombie behavior.