Trading/Staking Formulas: From the players, for the players!

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

I've seen a lot of people put off by my negative attitude lately, and decided that I may as well make (at least) one last attempt at making helpful suggestions instead of ranting until my spleen explodes.

 

 

 

This is a formula I have devised after a bit of rough thinking and presented in a couple other threads. It determines how much profit a player may make or how much money they may give away (in drops, stakes, or trades) per fifteen minutes or per hour.

 

 

 

Current Formula:

 

 

 

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 + (Trades Completed (Value > 9,000 gp) + Duels Completed (Stake of >= 2k gp?) + Players Killed)/150) * 3,000

 

 

 

Note that if this results in a number less than 3,000, the player simply defaults to the original 3,000 coin limit.

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà33 when Summoning comes out

 

 

 

What do you think of it? Too lax? Too stringent? Don't like it? That's fine! Just post YOUR proposed formulas here or modify the one I've posted. We should support and post the best one in this topic on the RuneScape forums as a community. If enough of us come together to support this change, we might very well make a difference and start steering this game in a better direction.

 

 

 

I'd like this NOT to be moved to Suggestions, as the traffic there lately has been very low compared to here and I feel that this is a very important issue affecting RuneScape. If you agree, post away :)

 

 

 

Formulae Currently Under Review (Trading)

 

 

 

[hide=Formula 1]((Total XP)/3m + (QP + ((Hours played)^2)/168 + (Combat Level - 3))/100 + (Equivalent Trades Completed (Value > 9,000 gp) + Duels Completed + Players KilledÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà)/150 + * 3,000

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâàBounty Hunter, Castle Wars, Fight Pits, Duel Tournaments, 1v1 PvP Minigame (future update), Old Wilderness (I'll have another suggestion for that returned shortly; it got almost no views on Suggestions)

 

 

 

Total XP factor has no cap (Just a limitation by the 3m divider).

 

 

 

QP factor has no cap (Quest points already do!)

 

 

 

Hours played factor has no cap (Suggest please)

 

 

 

Combat level factor has no cap (Combat level already does!)

 

 

 

Trades factor has an account-age related cap. For every hour played, four of the total trades made that are OVER NINE THOUSAND gp in value will be counted.

 

 

 

Players Killed has a cap depending on combat level. For those who would occupy the low-level crater, it is probably 200; for med-level, 1000 (probably very subject to change since 55 combat is much easier to attain than 100 combat), and for high-level, no limit. Whichever "Crater" the player is considered to occupy is the highest they may occupy at their level.

 

 

 

Duels (tournaments?) completed (where the fighter is victorious) have a similar combat-related cap.[/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Formula 2]((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32) + (Combat Level - 3))/100) * 3,000

 

 

 

For trading, add +1/2% of an item's GE value to the flex.[/hide]

 

 

 

Staking Formula Needed! Post away.

 

 

 

Current Staking formula is equivalent to the current Trading formula.

[Thus]

Getting out calculator...

 

 

 

Also, isnt there a possibility of having ZERO??

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Getting out calculator...

 

 

 

Also, isnt there a possibility of having ZERO??

 

 

 

Oh, that's right:

 

 

 

In the case where the formula would produce any number LESS THAN 3,000 COINS, it would simply revert to 3,000 coins.

 

 

 

Also, should play time be included in the formula? If so, how?

[Knight_Zaros]

I like that idea, because with the duels completed/players killed stat I'd probably be able to trade upwards towards a million + or - the GE price.

[Avatar200]

Some simple comments/suggestions:

 

- Add account age with exponential increase of limit. Biased to benefit me (2001 char) and also because its more fair than just using skill total. Bots running 24/7 could get high skill totals.

 

- Tournaments won instead of duels completed. Less chance of players with high wins being bots as opposed to bots dueling each other countless times.

 

- Players killed count is from Bounty Hunter only (refer above). Not sure if what the term killed means anymore, but this would sort of be in line with Jagex's anti-RWT initiative, as with the above.

 

 

 

And there should still be a hard cap for each contributing factor and the overall limit.

 

 

 

They're not foolproof, like there may suddenly be hundreds of bots killing each other in BH, so feel free to iron out the [racist term]s.

[caldius]

I am just a little bit confused about the last part of the formula. Why does duels, trades and pks get factored in?

 

 

 

But completly ignoring that last part, my trade limit is up around 6mil.

 

 

 

But this system is open to abuse, there is nothing stopping bots from dueling each other to build up duels and kills to get a higher trade value

[berbatovsky]

so feel free to iron out the [racist term]s.

 

 

 

Kinks is what you mean I believe, or your being incredibly racist. :P

 

 

 

That formula hurts my brain, but any system that would allow people (who are unlikely to be bots/farmers) to have greater trading flexibility is fine by me.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Some simple comments/suggestions:

 

- Add account age with exponential increase of limit. Biased to benefit me (2001 char) and also because its more fair than just using skill total. Bots running 24/7 could get high skill totals.

 

- Tournaments won instead of duels completed. Less chance of players with high wins being bots as opposed to bots dueling each other countless times.

 

- Players killed count is from Bounty Hunter only (refer above). Not sure if what the term killed means anymore, but this would sort of be in line with Jagex's anti-RWT initiative, as with the above.

 

 

 

And there should still be a hard cap for each contributing factor and the overall limit.

 

 

 

They're not foolproof, like there may suddenly be hundreds of bots killing each other in BH, so feel free to iron out the [racist term]s.

 

 

 

Based on your suggestions, as good as I can roughly reckon:

 

 

 

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + ((Hours played)^2)/168 + (Combat Level - 3))/100 + (Equivalent Trades Completed (Value > 9,000 gp) + Duels Completed + Players KilledÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà)/150 + * 3,000

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâàBounty Hunter, Castle Wars, Fight Pits, Duel Tournaments, 1v1 PvP Minigame (future update), Old Wilderness (I'll have another suggestion for that returned shortly; it got almost no views on Suggestions)

 

 

 

Total XP factor has no cap (Just a limitation by the 3m divider).

 

 

 

QP factor has no cap (Quest points already do!)

 

 

 

Hours played factor has no cap (Suggest please)

 

 

 

Combat level factor has no cap (Combat level already does!)

 

 

 

Trades factor has an account-age related cap. For every hour played, four of the total trades made that are OVER NINE THOUSAND gp in value will be counted (Nine thousand is a facetious placeholder. Give your input on a better value.)

 

 

 

Players Killed has a cap depending on combat level. For those who would occupy the low-level crater, it is probably 200; for med-level, 1000 (probably very subject to change since 55 combat is much easier to attain than 100 combat), and for high-level, no limit. Whichever "Crater" the player is considered to occupy is the highest they may occupy at their level.

 

 

 

Duels (tournaments?) completed (where the fighter is victorious) have a similar combat-related cap.

 

 

 

All in favor, or would you like to revise THIS formula?

 

 

 

The reason stakes, PKs, and trades are in the formula is to cater to merchants and those who are ready to stake high due to better combat experience. I'm considering adding a "loss" penalty, where deaths to players or losses of stakes have negative consequences (but of course the factors may not be less than zero when counted toward the limit).

 

 

 

One last note for now: This is going to take a LOT of work. Don't expect the end result to be short and sweet; that said, if we put our heads together I'm sure something will work out nicely. Also, it may very well be that we have to develop two separate formulae: One for staking, another for trading.

[das]

((Total XP)/4m + (QP + (Total Level -1700) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

[das]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

 

 

 

And of staking?

[das]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

 

 

 

And of staking?

 

 

 

no clue , should be fair enough for staking, rich stakers can stake more

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

 

 

 

And of staking?

 

 

 

no clue , should be fair enough for staking, rich stakers can stake more

 

 

 

May as well do Duel Tournaments if the limit at your level and achievements is only 192k! Any former stakers care to speak up on this one?

[das]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

 

 

 

And of staking?

 

 

 

no clue , should be fair enough for staking, rich stakers can stake more

 

 

 

May as well do Duel Tournaments if the limit at your level and achievements is only 192k! Any former stakers care to speak up on this one?

 

 

 

But net wealth extends that to 542k an hour at a half of percent of my overall net worth. (350k on 700 mill plus the 192k for my skills)

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

((Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

 

 

Simplier.

 

 

 

(41.2 + (I'm assuming maxed QP (250?) + (1914) + (118))/100) * 3000 = Roughly 192k/15 min, or perhaps 4x per hour. Would you be content with that (probably)?

 

 

 

hmm no, Let me tweak it.

 

 

 

(Total XP)/3m + (QP + (Total Level - 32ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà) + (Combat Level - 3))/100 = limit

 

Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.005= Trade limit.

 

 

 

Lets say im worth 700 mill (Easily) I could trade 3,500,000+192k in an 8 hour period. or 3x per day.

 

 

 

or Limit + NetworthGEPRICE*.0005= Trade limit. That makes it say 350k+192k in an hour period?

 

 

 

And of staking?

 

 

 

no clue , should be fair enough for staking, rich stakers can stake more

 

 

 

May as well do Duel Tournaments if the limit at your level and achievements is only 192k! Any former stakers care to speak up on this one?

 

 

 

But net wealth extends that to 542k an hour at a half of percent of my overall net worth. (350k on 700 mill plus the 192k for my skills)

 

 

 

Didn't notice "Net Worth" in there. But doesn't that mean if a player were continually traded money, they could keep receiving more? That seems dangerous.

[aj926]

I personally think it should be

 

 

 

 

 

(# of raw salmon in bank) + (3,000)

[SwreeTak]

A nice suggestion. I would like it really much if Jagex put it into the game :)

[glasscube]

I personally think it should be

 

 

 

 

 

(# of raw salmon in bank) + (3,000)

Why do I think you have like 7 million salmon banked waiting to exploit such situations? :P

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Any Stakers have suggestions for a Staking formula? That would be VERY useful!

[Sprout_teh_druid]

You sir, are a god. I love it.

[qeltar]

Good concepts, but WAY too complex. Jagex is not going to implement something that prompts their CS department to get 12 million "wtf?" messages. :)

[aznmidget448]

Yay, suggestions are much more welcome :

 

 

 

I like it. By using this, everyone has a chance to get a higher trade limit and therefore everyone's happy and no more ranters out in the world of runescape

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Good concepts, but WAY too complex. Jagex is not going to implement something that prompts their CS department to get 12 million "wtf?" messages. :)

 

 

 

I understand that. Got any ideas?

[maunglord]

I say they put the 5% flux as in the exchange, and make player to player trade the same as exchange so player to player trades are not obsolete, that would make the most sense. AND any moron who wants to buy 1 mil from a RWT'er, will first have to put up 20m (5% of 20 is 1). But no, that's TOO fair to be implimented.

 

 

 

So:

 

 

 

if it must be a static number, base it on total level (something that is plausable for both p2p AND f2p), and since p2p has more skills to level up, they can have a higher trade limit regardless, I'm not asking much...I'm at total 940 something, maybe my limit can be like 10k-15k? Not a big number, but enough that I can get some DECENT cash.