Smash Club.

[howbadisbad]

Seriously, Wario. Well, when I say good, I mean equal, of course.

 

 

 

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=224269

 

50:50

 

 

 

Best counterpicks are Rainbow Cruise and Japes

 

Ban Delfino

 

 

 

Mr. Broken in the flesh, contrary to popular belief, Wario has a 50:50 against this guy. Why may you ask? Well, MK is of course the ONLY character that can chase Wario offstage and possibly gimp him, but then Wario is still hard to gimp in this way, as our airdodge lasts as long or even longer then MK's Bair, his longest lasting aerial. Not to mention Wario has better air speed (Far better air speed) then MK.

 

 

 

Approaching MK is fairly dependent on what MK does and note, MK will have to approach Wario due to having no projectiles, so you can play defensively or offensively with your approach. If hes doing retreating Fairs, your hard pressed to get inside and approach, but if he does SH Uairs or Dairs, hes easy to approach, and if hes an utter noob and approaches with the tornado, thats punishment city. To approach a Fair retreating MK, you will need to either Airdodge behind him and hit him with a Dtilt or a Bair/Fair, depending how you airdodge, or a well timed Fair of your own when his is over. Its hard to approach him this way though. If your REALLY good at getting the SA frames of the Fsmash, you can use this to punish his retreating Fairs. If he approaches with Uairs, a DACUS will get him easy, and if he approaches with Dairs, you can get above him and Dair, Fair him, or Nair him OOS. If he approaches you with a tornado, then its a free Dair, but getting the timing is dfficult for beginners. And if he approaches with his Forward B, you can Sidestep it then pivot bite him.

 

 

 

Now thats just MK's air approach, he can also approach from the ground. If he appproaches with Ftilts, get above him and Dair or Airdodge then Fsmash/bite. If he approaches with Dtilt, use your Dtilt, and it'll beat his out everytime. If he approaches with IDC, well, hes disqualified in a tourny scene, but if he does, watch how the camera follows him, Sidestep at the right time, then punish.

 

 

 

A little bit about MK's mechanics. He has the 3rd slowest air speed in the game, he has 6 jumps then his Shuttle Loop which will autoglide when its over. His sword shares a laser property, so it CAN NOT cling with any move. (The only exception is his glide attack, which can cling) MK is also the 3rd lightest, and a half waft can kill at around 65%.

 

 

 

This is what makes the matchup good. Unless MK can get you with a good Dsmash and you don't DI up when he hits you with it, or gimp you, MK has a hard time killing Wario. Wario's Uair will always beat MK's glide attack, which is one of his KO moves, and if you sense a shuttle loop coming, Dair him and you'll beat it out, but DI the right way as the attacks trade. You should never get hit with his Fsmash, as its his laggiest move, but don't be deceived by it, it has a high vertical hitbox. This is big, MK HAS NO GRAB RELEASE ON WARIO! MK can't do anything from a grab release to Wario, so being grabbed here isn't so bad, but don't get grabbed anyway, his Uthrow can kill you at around 192%.

 

 

 

Killing MK is an ok feat to do as Wario, as MK dies early. MK dies from a Uair at 98%, and a half waft at lower. Your Fsmash can also help big time to kill him, as it kills pretty early, around 110%-130%. Fthrow at the edge will also kill MK at 120% most of the time. Getting a kill move on MK isn't going to be easy though, a good MK will love to sidestep, so just keep punishing him and poking him until you can get one in. And beware his Dsmash, that move is very strong and comes out faster then your dash attack. If you are getting hit b it, DI up to survive. Now if you can get him in the air and waft on him, then hes pretty much dead.

 

 

 

To rack up damage, its more about poking him and capitalizing on his mistakes if any. Fair is good in this matchup, Dair is also good. If you can space a Bair, it can also beat out his Uair and Dair. And Nair OOS is very nice as well. Overall, its 50:50 just due to how MK can combo you.

 

 

 

 

 

wow... :shock:

[Zaaps1]

Wow I never thought Wario was good for anything either, lol.

[Inuashakent]

Wario was always good :XD: not just against MK, either.

[howbadisbad]

toon link is so over powered. his reach beats out luigi in the air and ground. and toon link has a Nair that is crazy fast and his Dair and Uair are wayyyyy overpowered seeing as nothing i do can stop them from raping me utterly. if i airdodge he just Nairs and i get raped. on the ground he just nub spams projectiles and bombs. in the air he just is way overpowered. how can i beat this?

 

 

 

my brother is a nub camper -_-

 

 

 

The fact is, camping is low, nooby and just shows how little skill you have.

 

I agree with this 100%.

[Inuashakent]

toon link is so over powered. his reach beats out luigi in the air and ground. and toon link has a Nair that is crazy fast and his Dair and Uair are wayyyyy overpowered seeing as nothing i do can stop them from raping me utterly. if i airdodge he just Nairs and i get raped. on the ground he just nub spams projectiles and bombs. in the air he just is way overpowered. how can i beat this?

 

 

 

my brother is a nub camper -_-

 

 

 

The fact is, camping is low, nooby and just shows how little skill you have.

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

You wouldn't agree with that if you learn how to stop it lol. Against a skilled opponent, camping while preventing their approach is HARD, which shows skill. His nair is nothing to complain about. Luigi has one of the best nairs in the game. Instant, combos, and kills. His Uair is slow, just air dodge. If he dairs, spot/air dodge, and he is VERY vulnerable. If your opponent doesn't use Zair well, I don't see how you can't beat him. ;)

 

 

 

Just abuse TL's weaknesses. Watch out for his utilts and bairs, if your brother uses them. Those attacks if staled are combo-crazy. It's pretty hard to combo and juggle TL with Luigi (which is what he's good at).

 

 

 

The best way to approach spammy characters is walking while perfect shielding. You can mix it up with his downB if you want, although it's not the best choice.

[howbadisbad]

toon link is so over powered. his reach beats out luigi in the air and ground. and toon link has a Nair that is crazy fast and his Dair and Uair are wayyyyy overpowered seeing as nothing i do can stop them from raping me utterly. if i airdodge he just Nairs and i get raped. on the ground he just nub spams projectiles and bombs. in the air he just is way overpowered. how can i beat this?

 

 

 

my brother is a nub camper -_-

 

 

 

The fact is, camping is low, nooby and just shows how little skill you have.

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

You wouldn't agree with that if you learn how to stop it lol. Against a skilled opponent, camping while preventing their approach is HARD, which shows skill. His nair is nothing to complain about. Luigi has one of the best nairs in the game. Instant, combos, and kills. His Uair is slow, just air dodge. If he dairs, spot/air dodge, and he is VERY vulnerable. If your opponent doesn't use Zair well, I don't see how you can't beat him. ;)

 

 

 

Just abuse TL's weaknesses. Watch out for his utilts and bairs, if your brother uses them. Those attacks if staled are combo-crazy. It's pretty hard to combo and juggle TL with Luigi (which is what he's good at).

 

 

 

The best way to approach spammy characters is walking while perfect shielding. You can mix it up with his downB if you want, although it's not the best choice.

 

 

 

his Dair knocks you away when he lands so he is not really vunerable. i have no idea what perfect sheilding is. his rang rapes my downB up the butt.his u air lasts too long for me to airdodge. i am still a noob :(.

 

 

 

could you play me and help me out with this stuff?

[EGmaestro]

ill play u if u want. my freind code is in my sig

[Zaaps1]

Stay on the ground, Toon Link will have a harder time KO'ing you.

 

 

 

Personally, I think perfect shield isn't too easy when your opponent keeps spamming. I mean, all they gotta do is press B, but you have to time your shield perfectly every single time. You're obviously at a disadvantage. I would just bring Pit, Wolf or Fox, maybe Falco as well. When he starts to camp, just put on a reflector. You just need to hold B then, but he still has to keep pressing B. You would have the advantage. Obviously, since Toon Link can't reflect Pits/Wolfs/Foxs/Falco's projectile (and if he uses his natural shield, he'll just get pushed off the ledge and then he's all yours) he must approach you.

[Inuashakent]

Stay on the ground, Toon Link will have a harder time KO'ing you.

 

 

 

Personally, I think perfect shield isn't too easy when your opponent keeps spamming. I mean, all they gotta do is press B, but you have to time your shield perfectly every single time. You're obviously at a disadvantage. I would just bring Pit, Wolf or Fox, maybe Falco as well. When he starts to camp, just put on a reflector. You just need to hold B then, but he still has to keep pressing B. You would have the advantage. Obviously, since Toon Link can't reflect Pits/Wolfs/Foxs/Falco's projectile (and if he uses his natural shield, he'll just get pushed off the ledge and then he's all yours) he must approach you.

 

Well, harder to do doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage. After a perfect shield, you have like 2 frames of lag to drop the shield, so you're pretty mobile.

 

 

 

 

his Dair knocks you away when he lands so he is not really vunerable. i have no idea what perfect sheilding is. his rang rapes my downB up the butt.his u air lasts too long for me to airdodge. i am still a noob :(.

 

If you spotdodge, you don't slide. His downb is more of a mindgame then a solid approach. And spotdodge I guess really isn't the best option for his Uair... try to avoid that using jumps.

[Crazykid1321]

My brother sold Brawl a few days ago while I wasn't home, now I can't play anymore- right when I really was going to start playing again.

 

 

 

Goodbye guys. :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

.... P K Farewell!

[Zaaps1]

Lol I think I would have to kill my brother if he did that

 

 

 

Stay on the ground, Toon Link will have a harder time KO'ing you.

 

 

 

Personally, I think perfect shield isn't too easy when your opponent keeps spamming. I mean, all they gotta do is press B, but you have to time your shield perfectly every single time. You're obviously at a disadvantage. I would just bring Pit, Wolf or Fox, maybe Falco as well. When he starts to camp, just put on a reflector. You just need to hold B then, but he still has to keep pressing B. You would have the advantage. Obviously, since Toon Link can't reflect Pits/Wolfs/Foxs/Falco's projectile (and if he uses his natural shield, he'll just get pushed off the ledge and then he's all yours) he must approach you.

 

Well, harder to do doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage. After a perfect shield, you have like 2 frames of lag to drop the shield, so you're pretty mobile.

 

 

 

But still, in the manual perfect shielding is described as pressing the shield button right when the attack connects. If someone like Pit keeps spamming arrows like 50 times, you'll really get worn down by perfect shielding every single one. Sure you can approach, but you're still at a disadvantage imo. That's why reflectors are the easiest solution, with Fox and Wolf being on top since they cover all sides while Pit and Falco's don't.

[howbadisbad]

Lol I think I would have to kill my brother if he did that

 

 

 

Stay on the ground, Toon Link will have a harder time KO'ing you.

 

 

 

Personally, I think perfect shield isn't too easy when your opponent keeps spamming. I mean, all they gotta do is press B, but you have to time your shield perfectly every single time. You're obviously at a disadvantage. I would just bring Pit, Wolf or Fox, maybe Falco as well. When he starts to camp, just put on a reflector. You just need to hold B then, but he still has to keep pressing B. You would have the advantage. Obviously, since Toon Link can't reflect Pits/Wolfs/Foxs/Falco's projectile (and if he uses his natural shield, he'll just get pushed off the ledge and then he's all yours) he must approach you.

 

Well, harder to do doesn't mean you're at a disadvantage. After a perfect shield, you have like 2 frames of lag to drop the shield, so you're pretty mobile.

 

 

 

But still, in the manual perfect shielding is described as pressing the shield button right when the attack connects. If someone like Pit keeps spamming arrows like 50 times, you'll really get worn down by perfect shielding every single one. Sure you can approach, but you're still at a disadvantage imo. That's why reflectors are the easiest solution, with Fox and Wolf being on top since they cover all sides while Pit and Falco's don't.

 

 

 

does perfect sheilding drain your sheild?

 

 

 

and for SS4, you should just buy it back.

[Zaaps1]

That's one of the good things about it, it doesn't drain your shield and it's nearly lagless.

[howbadisbad]

ownt him with falco \

 

 

 

when he shot at me i used my reflector, when he aproached me i knocked him back with my reflector, and when he tried to run i shot him in the back :P

 

 

 

Falco has great camping game lol

[Zaaps1]

ownt him with falco \

 

 

 

when he shot at me i used my reflector, when he aproached me i knocked him back with my reflector, and when he tried to run i shot him in the back :P

 

 

 

Falco has great camping game lol

 

 

 

He can chaingrab as well with his dthrow, which is insanely useful in 1v1 matches. Every character can be chaingrabbed by Falco (and maybe Fox too) until roughly 50% depending on character. Even then some people can grab them in the air and get off a few more grabs.

 

 

 

I don't think you can laserlock TL with Falco, maybe but meh.

[howbadisbad]

what is lazer lock?

 

 

 

anyone wana brawl?

[Zaaps1]

what is lazer lock?

 

 

 

anyone wana brawl?

 

 

 

Laser lock is when they're lying on the floor then you fire lasers at them and they can't escape.

[howbadisbad]

what is lazer lock?

 

 

 

anyone wana brawl?

 

 

 

Laser lock is when they're lying on the floor then you fire lasers at them and they can't escape.

 

 

 

do you brawl? :D

[Zaaps1]

Nah I don't have time atm, I might get time later today but that isn't very likely.

[howbadisbad]

wouldn't some characters be able to kill MK while he is trying to gimp you?

 

EX. Snake's Fair, Ganondorf/CF's Dair

[Wizz]

I lost againts a Sheik T-T

 

Second round is tomorrow, if anyone here knows how to use Sheik tell me some of her flaws!

 

 

 

For some strange reason, Zelda's recovery attack has a much longer range than Sheik's, go figure. Zelda's really the one you wanna watch out for, since she is stronger than sheik, but less mobile. There's this thing, another one I don't know the name of, with Zelda which is almost a guaranteed KO if you stay on the ledge past your invincibility. I know it involves using Naryu's Love to hit you below the stage and then lightning kick you so you can't recover. Name escapes me.

 

 

 

Sheik is a little more manageable. It depends how good your opponent is. Watch out for the chain if you have a good opponent, esp. a Chain Jacket. Correctly placed, certain characters have no chance once Sheik's usmash or bair is Chain Jacketed, for example Ganondorf is just about dead right then and there, and anyone without a projectile is going to have a hard time.

 

 

 

Watch out for needlestorm since your opponent will probably unleash it when you least expect it. Also, if you are lying on the ground (you know, after you get hit and you're just lying there), Sheik and unleash needlestorm and add in an extra needle and get an guaranteed 20% or so damage in, so try to keep yourself off the ground as much as possible.

 

 

 

Also, careful you don't get caught in a ftilt lock.

 

 

 

And DACUS when you're at a high percentage.

 

Don't worry, he switches to Zelda only to spam Din's fire while I'm in the air. Nothing Double Team can't handle (in fact he is helping me recover most of the time I know how to do a Reverse Double Team) As soon as I hit the floor she switches to Sheik (good opportunity to attack IMO).

 

Agh I'm going to Brawl him in an hour and I'm nervous as hell if I lose this round I lose the tournament and take 7th place ( The tournament started with 22 people)

 

 

 

wouldn't some characters be able to kill MK while he is trying to gimp you?

 

EX. Snake's Fair, Ganondorf/CF's Dair

 

 

 

Lucario > MK

 

 

 

Lucario's Projectile, Side B, and Fsmash cancel out majority of MK "High Priority Attacks" Even a small little tiny insignificant aura sphere stops MK's Tornado, also Mk's Tornado sucks people in but Lucario can stop all of his momentum with his Aerial Down and not get sucked AND do damage.

[Zaaps1]

Right when she switches forms that's the best thing to go right next her and charge up a smash. That's what I do. The switch actually takes a while, so you should have time. Switching forms is a big mistake if you do it in the middle of the fight.

 

 

 

Sheik really isn't too hard to handle. She's quick, but she can't really KO easily since all her smashes are slow on the startup. Take someone like Pit, although if you're in a tournament now's really not the time to switch character. Either way, stay quick and in the air. Sheik isn't go good in the air.

[Wizz]

Right when she switches forms that's the best thing to go right next her and charge up a smash. That's what I do. The switch actually takes a while, so you should have time. Switching forms is a big mistake if you do it in the middle of the fight.

 

 

 

Sheik really isn't too hard to handle. She's quick, but she can't really KO easily since all her smashes are slow on the startup. Take someone like Pit, although if you're in a tournament now's really not the time to switch character. Either way, stay quick and in the air. Sheik isn't go good in the air.

 

Round is in 30 mins, I'll tell you how it went then I'll be using Lucario but the other player will most likely stay with Zelda/Sheik (According to his last battle Zelda/Sheik and Wario are his most used char's)

 

 

 

Incase he swotches to Wario, what are his Flaws?

[howbadisbad]

he is good in the air (not as good as wigi :D) and watch out for his Dspec because it can rape you up the butt.

 

 

 

you can gimp him really easily.

 

 

 

that's about all i know, me being a noob and all :lol:

 

 

 

luigi pwns wario in this vid (around 5:15)

 

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(this is me in the future :twss:)

[EGmaestro]

what is lazer lock?

 

 

 

anyone wana brawl?

 

 

 

il brawl u if u add me \