Runescape HD/Full Screen - What will F2P Get?

[nightzero]

If Jagex makes HD and FS to members only, i can assure you....

 

 

 

Most people who play runescape, will see the bad graphic and say "Naah.."

 

 

 

Well, then that's Jagex's decision to make from a business perspective.

 

 

 

Regardless, the people who are getting the free game are owed nothing, deserve nothing, and have no right to complain about anything.

 

 

 

Remember that they *could* make it a time-limited demo like most other games are.

 

 

 

Ads actually do pay money, let me give you an example. Google is one of the most succesful companies in the world. Their entire revenue is from ads. Also if rs f2p was a limited time demo, i know many people including me would have never become members. And its not like f2p have so much to do anyway, compared to members its not even close. and dont bash me on being a "freeloader" just check my stats. Obviously hd will be f2p because if it wasnt that would be a horrible move on jagex's part.

[BabyPunchers]

Think of it this way Hemen. You pay 5 dollars, you get the updates for the month. Next month you decide you don't want to pay. You obviously are not entitled to the updates of last month or this month. I'll use qeltar's example.

 

 

 

You paid for cable service 4 years ago. Since then you've not paid for it. You can't call them up and complain that your cable hasn't been working and demand it free.

[qeltar]

 

I was P2P, i got 5 gaming areas ruined. But i accepted it and adapted.

 

 

And you unsubscribed. But now you still want members' features?

 

 

 

Sorry, doesn't work that way. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

 

 

If you want members' features, pay for membership. This isn't rocket surgery.

 

 

Ads actually do pay money, let me give you an example.

 

 

I've been running ad-supported web site for 10 years. They pay money, but not very much, and certainly nowhere near the equivalent of $5 per player per month.

 

 

 

Most of the ads on RS are garbage like "zwinkies" and so forth. Those ads pay a pittance.

[Lightshayde]

The enhanced graphics will almost definitely be F2P. I remember JaGex saying so in a post...or something...

 

But if they don't give F2P HD, then I'll be fine with it. I'm not sure if my computer can even handle it but I hope so :pray:

 

FullScreen will probably NOT go to the F2Pers, but that's fine with me because I like to browse forums and stuff anyway.

 

Most of the ads on RS are garbage like "zwinkies" and so forth. Those ads pay a pittance.

 

Heh, zwinkies suck.

[Dire_Wolf]

 

I was P2P, i got 5 gaming areas ruined. But i accepted it and adapted.

 

 

And you unsubscribed. But now you still want members' features?

 

 

 

Sorry, doesn't work that way. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

 

 

 

Lemme explain member features: Ingame towns, items, skills, minigames and etc.

 

 

 

Graphic doesn't seem like a feature that should be member...

 

 

 

As for "Now you still want member's features?". I have for over 2 years waited for this update.....

 

 

 

It's not something that i recently came up with.

 

 

 

My discuessing with you is over. I don't see any way for me and you to agree. And as i said, i will wait for the announcement from Jagex. Accept and adapt. You should read my previous posts, so you can see i accept whatever happens. Obviously you don't seem to,cause you expect that i "demand" to get member features.

 

 

 

And if it becomes a member feature, rest assure i will accept it. So save yourself the trouble old man and don't go further ;)

[Brave2]

You are all missing the point. Jagex, as a company needs to make money to enable them to continue in business. So lets see where they gat their money from.

 

 

 

Members pay jagex $5, or equivalent, (approx) per month.

 

Other companies pay Jagex for adverts on the free-to-play worlds.

 

 

 

Lets now consider full-screen mode. Members use full-screen mode, but Jagex still get paid (the monthly subs). F2P players use full-screen mode, Jagex get no money as the other companies adverts are no longer displayed.

 

 

 

From a purely business point of view would you give F2P full screen mode? I think not!

[Hammertime]

F2p will get the updates after the finished version is released, it wouldn't be good as a business, to released a buggy version to potential customers.

[Dire_Wolf]

You are all missing the point. Jagex, as a company needs to make money to enable them to continue in business. So lets see where they gat their money from.

 

 

 

Members pay jagex $5, or equivalent, (approx) per month.

 

Other companies pay Jagex for adverts on the free-to-play worlds.

 

 

 

Lets now consider full-screen mode. Members use full-screen mode, but Jagex still get paid (the monthly subs). F2P players use full-screen mode, Jagex get no money as the other companies adverts are no longer displayed.

 

 

 

From a purely business point of view would you give F2P full screen mode? I think not!

 

 

 

That's a good point.

[qeltar]

 

Graphic doesn't seem like a feature that should be member...

 

 

Why?

[Moonshadow]

Because it would be a great way to get people hooked into the game.

 

 

 

Besides, they have already said the HD would be F2P, so why the hell are you still arguing that it won't be f2p qelt?

[Omali]

What is with all you stuck up P2P *scum*. Thats all you ever say. " Have one less big mac, get (Insert Up-Date Here)." Or " Stop eating McDonalds every day, get (Insert Up-Date Here).

 

 

 

Because it's true. What's with all the f2p *crybabies* such as yourself thinking they're entitled to whatever they want, without actually paying for the game?

 

 

 

I would love that. Never got to play classic.

 

 

 

What a surprise, haven't been playing long enough.

 

 

 

On Topic: I think they will get all. As for full screen, Why would F2P have the option to see if they could run it on FS if they wouldn't get it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: 222 Posts :lol:

 

 

 

F2p has a lot of things presented that they can't do. The start of the Lost City quest, HAM entrance, the skill cape emote. If Jagex follows their business plan with Funorb, which is to make fullscreen a members only device, then they will do so with Runescape, and probably mechscape as well.

 

 

 

Or, if anything, f2p will receive a scaled down full screen with an ad at the top of the page. It could go either way.

[wildy58]

I don't think jagex realizes that there are alot more people, like me both p2p and f2p, that cannot run the new graphics.

[psvstef]

^ you only pay for 1 account -.-

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

... As for who cares if im F2P? How can you say i have freeloaded, then not care about me being P2P. Cause i have paid quite alot. So it matters. But you brought it up.

 

 

 

Again, it doesn't matter if you'd paid in the past -- you could have given them $5,000 for all I care -- but if that value has ran out, the service is cut off, end of discussion.

 

 

 

If you still don't believe me, try arguing the same points you have with your utility company. Let's see if they'll see/understand your side of the debate.

[Dire_Wolf]

... As for who cares if im F2P? How can you say i have freeloaded, then not care about me being P2P. Cause i have paid quite alot. So it matters. But you brought it up.

 

 

 

Again, it doesn't matter if you'd paid in the past -- you could have given them $5,000 for all I care -- but if that value has ran out, the service is cut off, end of discussion.

 

 

 

If you still don't believe me, try arguing the same points you have with your utility company. Let's see if they'll see/understand your side of the debate.

 

 

 

Yeah i know, but when discuess with Qeltar he talked as if i have been F2P all the time.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Yeah i know, but when discuess with Qeltar he talked as if i have been F2P all the time.

 

By now you should realize that it doesn't matter if/when you were a member at any time in the past; if you're not now, you're not going to expect any benefits. That's all there is to it, really; either you're a member now and get stuff, or you're not a member now and you get what they give you. End of discussion.

[Dire_Wolf]

Yeah i know, but when discuess with Qeltar he talked as if i have been F2P all the time.

 

By now you should realize that it doesn't matter if/when you were a member at any time in the past; if you're not now, you're not going to expect any benefits. That's all there is to it, really; either you're a member now and get stuff, or you're not a member now and you get what they give you. End of discussion.

 

 

 

That's a offense to me. I know that...

 

 

 

I don't know what you can or can't, but you certainly should read the whole thread before you say something like that.

 

 

 

I have had a long discuession with Qeteltar (Not to mention others)...and would appriate if you could read through the whole thread before repeating more things others have said. #-o #-o

[Gradeskip]

It's only a BETA version atm, Jagex is doing a test with the new version.

 

As most of you probably have noticed, there are Many glitchs.

 

The beta version wont stay forever, dont know how long, but the Real version will be in HD and FullScreen will be avaible to both F2pers and P2Pers. (i think)

 

 

 

~Grade~ :

[Moonshadow]

What is with all you stuck up P2P *scum*. Thats all you ever say. " Have one less big mac, get (Insert Up-Date Here)." Or " Stop eating McDonalds every day, get (Insert Up-Date Here).

 

 

 

Because it's true. What's with all the f2p *crybabies* such as yourself thinking they're entitled to whatever they want, without actually paying for the game?

 

 

 

Okay, that was totally uncalled for. Very few people think they are entitled to whatever they want and entitled to mass amounts of updates. There is a difference between politely asking for an update and stating they are entitled to it and demanding the update. Maybe you should try looking at the differences. You act like every suggestion for any update that includes F2P players is a demand for it. F2P players get that they won't get many updates because they don't pay. I personally accepted that from day 1, and It's rather rude and unnecessary when people generalize us as f2p crybabies that think they are entitled to everything they want.

 

 

 

The "one less big mac..." "stop eating at McDonalds everyday to get ... fatty" clichés are actually rather amusing. I for one, haven't eaten at McDonalds for 3 years because I have better uses for my money. I think this would be the same for quite a number of the people.

 

 

 

I have played quite a few RPG's where there were F2P/P2P versions and Runescape is the first one where I have encountered such intolerance and animosity towards free players.

[Numer0_un0]

Dude. F2p WILL GET THE GRAPHICS, they say so on the front page.

 

 

 

Fullscreen will be p2p because if it's f2p there's no more ads, which means no more money to pay for f2p and Jagex loses money. They wouldn't do that.

[beud4500]

Here is where I randomly pop in and attempt to throw everyone off.

 

 

 

There are many things that can happen here..

 

 

 

Either

 

f2p gets no new graphics, no FS

 

or

 

f2p gets new graphics with no FS.

 

 

 

The decision will still rest with Jagex. As much as there can be argued over which is the better financial/business or favoring players decision, it will still rest in jagex, whatever they choose, either make piece of it or have peace with it.

 

 

 

However the latter is definetly the best choice in my opinion because then some newbie f2per will be like 'omg runescape is such a cool game with these nice graphics, aww, I cant enter this gate NW of Falador, need to be a member' and after a while they become a member and yay more money for Jagex! Ive seen it happen irl with a 10 year old cousin, but that was before HD and he IS only 10...

[Lady_Shahdie]

Before I begin, may I request that we please stop debating the whole "entitlement" thing :shock: ? Its an argument that spins in circles and it is ridiculous to bicker about it nonsensically.minor rant>

 

 

 

Anyways, HD is a guaranteed F2P update.

 

 

 

If you are a free player, you can expect to be playing RuneScape HD as soon as the Beta period is over.

 

 

 

The quote above extracted from the blurb written about the HD update proves this (so why all the posts claiming it ain't going to happen?). The Beta however may not exactly be a short one (considering the many bugs that are popping up), so there may be a significant delay before F2P receives the update. Also, what exactly will be the use of limiting the HD graphics when F2P locations are just a minor blot on the map (pretty limiting by itself)?

 

 

 

Fullscreen however is where the debate gets trickier. I have to admit that Fullscreen is screaming "Members bonus" at the moment. Jagex hasn't confirmed F2Pers will receive this option and its just the kind of eye candy to tempt us non-members into going member for the enhanced experience :? . The subtle "POH-like" button may be slipped in, as others have mentioned, as a reminder that it is a "member's only feature."

 

 

 

At the end of the day how different is fullscreen from not receiving numerous available skills, items, or quests? To be honest, upgrading the gameplay truly makes the experience more enjoyable or desirable. I get quite excited when Jagex provides F2Pers like myself new features like the Duel Arena, Clan Wars, or BH (which has its flaws I know) to be the first minigame to be available to F2P. I also drool when Jagex builds up hype over a new skill, like during the summoning hype, and realize I will not be able to experience it and only remain desiring it.

 

 

 

The point is most of us need to refrain from adopting this whiny kid mentality when something great like this comes along. F2Pers do not need to whine till their faces turn blue if they do not get fullscreen and members do not have to whine till their faces turn blue why F2Pers should not receive anything period. We should take in this update with great enthusiasm and give Jagex a pat on the back for an amazing job and hours of work well spent.

[Hidhaeg]

F2P are defiantly getting the graphical update - it's a wise move from a business sense. If you played a demo with completely different graphics compared to the real version, would you really go out and buy it?

 

 

 

I hope we get fullscreen too - but I doubt it. It's one of those neat little features that I imagine only P2P will get, as it doesn't impact the gameplay in any way.

[tortilliachp]

How about being able to view fullscreen till you're what, say 500 total level?

 

 

 

that gives all f2p players plenty of incentive for going p2p, as the come to expect fullscreen and utilize the more intense gameplay.

 

Tbh, i find it strange that jagex haven't done similar things before, degrading quality of playing graudally for those that remain f2p longer than the demo version of the game was intended.