Even though 800k isn't an extraodinary amount of money I think most people would rather just use a d scimmy instead of paying that much for 3k extra xp per hour. And remember that the necklace is pretty much junk if you aren't using an obby weapon; players probably don't want to spend a lot of money on something they'll only use some of the time.

Even though 800k isn't an extraodinary amount of money I think most people would rather just use a d scimmy instead of paying that much for 3k extra xp per hour. And remember that the necklace is pretty much junk if you aren't using an obby weapon; players probably don't want to spend a lot of money on something they'll only use some of the time.

 

 

 

800k (plus the price of the ammy you use with a d scim) does seem a lot to pay for just 3k extra per hour. But it adds up. If the time you save is worth more than that 800k, then it's worth it. If not, it's not.

Even though 800k isn't an extraodinary amount of money I think most people would rather just use a d scimmy instead of paying that much for 3k extra xp per hour. And remember that the necklace is pretty much junk if you aren't using an obby weapon; players probably don't want to spend a lot of money on something they'll only use some of the time.

 

 

 

800k (plus the price of the ammy you use with a d scim) does seem a lot to pay for just 3k extra per hour. But it adds up. If the time you save is worth more than that 800k, then it's worth it. If not, it's not.

 

 

 

One must remember that if one's able to resell it when one's done training for somewhere close to the purchase price then one really don't lose very much money at all. So I think that one's time would always be worth more.

i've used the obby maul zerker necklace combo and yes i seemed to hit extremely high... when i hit. It goes pretty slow and the decrease in your attack stats makes you hit less. While yes this doesn't matter to much in castle wars for instance, but pvp it can make or break it. I have yet to really try out the sword method, and i also plan on trying out the mace as it is stronger than the sword but faster than the maul. I'll post when i have results

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Seems you put alot of effort into this.

 

I agree, The obsidian necklace sounds great and for the price is a great deal, I just think people are reluctant to move away from the traditional methods. Lol.

the necklace is 655k atm :D and the weapon is only like 150k :D so when i'm going to fun task i might use it ;)

Mace + zerker necklace at waterfiends isn't at all as good as the zamorakian spear is.... There's no comparison. I tested that yesterday.

 

 

 

Oh well. :(

Mace + zerker necklace at waterfiends isn't at all as good as the zamorakian spear is.... There's no comparison. I tested that yesterday.

 

 

 

Oh well. :(

 

 

 

What were the numbers? Like how did they compare?

 

 

 

Very few times do items become completely obsolete. There must be some use for it still. Of course, I've proven in my first post it is good for training. But is there something else?

this actually sounds like a very good combo... my old char got stole by my best pal so im usin my old mule... but yeah. i trained with the d scim n longsword n dagger... not fast, but not slow. lol. my current char is gonna get 60 atk n str then use obby till @ least 85 str n atk. but dont get me wrong, dragon specials are very nice, but the tiem it takes on them is pretty slow...

I actually found that the mace necklace combination worked quite well. I did duels with it as well as cwars and i tore through many an opponent. With the obby sword i tend to hit higher fairly often. Combine it with a rune defender and barrow gloves and it makes up for the lost accuracy the necklace gives. Sure it might not be as accurate as a whip. But it suffices for those of us who can't quite afford one or those of us who want to train str quicker without coughing up money for a sara sword but would like something better than a dscimmi. Overall i would say go for it.

Mace + zerker necklace at waterfiends isn't at all as good as the zamorakian spear is.... There's no comparison. I tested that yesterday.

 

 

 

Oh well. :(

 

 

 

Well, I've decided to try it out at Waterfiends, and it definitely hits better than Torag's Hammers, and Verac's Flail, making it actually a decent weapon, with a low price.

 

 

 

It's comparable to the Spear, just that its a bit slower.

 

~Dan

Mace + zerker necklace at waterfiends isn't at all as good as the zamorakian spear is.... There's no comparison. I tested that yesterday.

 

 

 

Oh well. :(

 

 

 

Well, I've decided to try it out at Waterfiends, and it definitely hits better than Torag's Hammers, and Verac's Flail, making it actually a decent weapon, with a low price.

 

 

 

It's comparable to the Spear, just that its a bit slower.

 

~Dan

 

 

 

And it can train all combat stats while still using crush. :)

Mace + zerker necklace at waterfiends isn't at all as good as the zamorakian spear is.... There's no comparison. I tested that yesterday.

 

 

 

Oh well. :(

 

 

 

Well, I've decided to try it out at Waterfiends, and it definitely hits better than Torag's Hammers, and Verac's Flail, making it actually a decent weapon, with a low price.

 

 

 

It's comparable to the Spear, just that its a bit slower.

 

~Dan

 

 

 

And it can train all combat stats while still using crush. :)

 

 

 

You were hitting as good as the spear? Dude, there was no comparison at all for me. I didn't even bother recording numbers because it was so completely obvious. Normally I would, but the spear just dominated for me. I've got maxed stats if that matters. I was also using a DFS instead of a defender there. Defense is rather important at fiends, however, and the defender lowered my defense a lot. I can't compare it to hammers/flail because I've never used them at fiends.

 

 

 

But yes, it can train all combat styles.

Mutated bloodvelds are not bloodvelds. The differences between these monsters is similar to baby blue dragons and blue dragons. Whip+fury IS better than obsidian sword+berserker necklance- you forgot to mention the fact that berserker necklace has a negative effect on both your defence and attack. Also your estimates of cannoning muted bloodvelds are bull.... They provide no useful information at all. Cannoning means you won't be concentrating on melee training, but keeping the cannon supplied and luring more monsters to yourself.

Mutated bloodvelds are not bloodvelds. The differences between these monsters is similar to baby blue dragons and blue dragons. Whip+fury IS better than obsidian sword+berserker necklance- you forgot to mention the fact that berserker necklace has a negative effect on both your defence and attack. Also your estimates of cannoning muted bloodvelds are bull.... They provide no useful information at all. Cannoning means you won't be concentrating on melee training, but keeping the cannon supplied and luring more monsters to yourself.

 

 

 

I would appreciated it if you helped me correct any mistakes I've made.

 

 

 

But firstly, while it is true the necklace reduces attack and defence, it is easily compensated by using the rune defender, which was not used. Also, remember the prayer, super set, and black mask effects for the slayer task.

 

 

 

Also your estimates of cannoning muted bloodvelds are bull.... They provide no useful information at all. Cannoning means you won't be concentrating on melee training, but keeping the cannon supplied and luring more monsters to yourself.

 

 

 

What do you mean by that? Do you mean the xp/hour there, or my calculations using it?

 

 

 

Surely feeding the cannon 30 cannonballs every minute or so can't stop you from getting THAT much xp? I've used a cannon, and I can refill the cannon without delay. (Eg, without stopping my next melee attack.)

you really need to correct your main post. you do not get 20% accuracy bonus, it only applies to damage.

Hey there....that's an old guide of mine haha. Sadly too much stuff comes out all the time for me to have wanted to keep it up.

 

 

 

Anyway, that combo of necklace and sword was useful ONLY for str training and ONLY where defense wasn't a large concern. Now that we have familiars, however, it opens a lot more doors for potential use. We also have the DFS.

 

 

 

The thing is, once you're maxed or if you're not str training, it's really better to just use the whip.

 

 

 

Also, another reason this method's sort of forgotten is that people have gotten used to three major options: godswords, SS, scimitar. It used to be only the scimitar and people were rather bored of it, so they searched around for other ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

8-) I can confirm that the black mask and obby necklace stack.

 

 

 

Oh btw, you never thought of using the mace+necklace at waterfiends? I hit quite alot of 44s there.

 

 

 

The only catch is that defense is very important at waterfiends, something which the obby necklace really isn't good at providing since the maul is a 2H weapon. Actually...if the TzHaar-Ket-Em is a one handed weapon (it has crush) then I suppose it's possible that using it would be practical. I'd have to know if it were 1H or 2H though.

 

 

 

 

 

Your guides right here :o

 

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Even though 800k isn't an extraodinary amount of money I think most people would rather just use a d scimmy instead of paying that much for 3k extra xp per hour. And remember that the necklace is pretty much junk if you aren't using an obby weapon; players probably don't want to spend a lot of money on something they'll only use some of the time.

 

Well, I'd wager that a great deal of players who do use a dragon scimitar for strength training do so without even knowing about this other viable option. I bet many of those players actually could afford the 800k easily, and simply aren't aware that it's an stronger alternative.

 

 

 

There's a lot of other things with the same "ignorance" problem as the dragon scimitar, such as willow trees, fly fishing, and high alchemy, where people simply default to a classic training option without realizing that there are more efficient ones.

Little confuzzled but seems cool ;)

I recently finished the karamja achievement diary and i had a multitude of hard tasks left. On my list were: become champion of the fight pits, defeat a metal dragon, and kill a ket-zet in the fight caves.

 

 

 

First on my list was the fight pits. I ended up getting thrown in with a group of people who were together. Though i was piled the little obby mace zerker combo allowed me to take out everyone cept a 127 who i held my own against with the 28's i kept hitting, (my normal max is like 21 with a dscimmi)

 

 

 

Second was the fight caves. I brought some sharks, prayer pots, a super str. I wasn't exactly sure what i needed. But i brought my obby mace and zerker. I was amazed at the results. Hitting 28's on the healers, 1 hitting pretty much everything else. I tore through all the waves up to the 360. I'm level 105, 98 f2p, and i tore through it.

 

 

 

Last was the metal dragons. I didn't feel like attempting iron or steel, too much trouble. So i grabbed my mace and zerker necklace. grabbed some antifires and prayers and made my way to the bronze drags. Again the mace came through for me. Tore through 7-8 drags with out breaking a sweat.

 

 

 

Though i don't have comparisons, data, etc, I can suggest as a high level player, that the combination of an obby mace and a zerker necklace is one of the best equipment setups i have ever used. The best part is when someone tells you your weapon is pitiful and then you proceed to rip them a new one. (Duel arena ftw) Best part is, the obby mace is strong against all the platebodies out there so barrows beware.

 

 

 

Well, I've decided to try it out at Waterfiends, and it definitely hits better than Torag's Hammers, and Verac's Flail, making it actually a decent weapon, with a low price.

 

 

 

It's comparable to the Spear, just that its a bit slower.

 

~Dan

 

 

 

And it can train all combat stats while still using crush. :)

 

 

 

You were hitting as good as the spear? Dude, there was no comparison at all for me. I didn't even bother recording numbers because it was so completely obvious. Normally I would, but the spear just dominated for me. I've got maxed stats if that matters. I was also using a DFS instead of a defender there. Defense is rather important at fiends, however, and the defender lowered my defense a lot. I can't compare it to hammers/flail because I've never used them at fiends.

 

 

 

But yes, it can train all combat styles.

 

You've got to use a rune defender though, else your attack bonusses get too low.

Mutated bloodvelds are not bloodvelds. The differences between these monsters is similar to baby blue dragons and blue dragons. Whip+fury IS better than obsidian sword+berserker necklance- you forgot to mention the fact that berserker necklace has a negative effect on both your defence and attack. Also your estimates of cannoning muted bloodvelds are bull.... They provide no useful information at all. Cannoning means you won't be concentrating on melee training, but keeping the cannon supplied and luring more monsters to yourself.

 

Mutated bloodvelds have poop defense. With a whip I ripped through them in a way that I can predict the obby sword will still hit ok on them.

i'm f2p atm and b4 i ended my membership i started monkey madness, so i was thinking should i spend 800k b4 that, need to get defender firt :mrgreen:

 

so should i get it or just use dds/dlong???

Out of curiosity, does the obby necklace bonus stack with void melee bonus? I was thinking that this sort of setup would work well in FoG, where the hunter's defence doesn't really matter. Plus, I'm kinda too lazy to do monkey madness.

 

 

 

Also, how reliable is the accuracy? I want to be reasonably confident that my next attack won't be a "0". Assume that I want to go PvP.

 

 

 

How fast is the obby sword and the obby mace? Just compare it to the whip or the dragon dagger.