Giordano Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 It depends what you mean by sexuality. I had my first crush at 6 years old, I knew a bit earlier that girls and boys were different and supposed to be attracted to one another in a romantic type way. You would kiss or hold hands with your little girlfriend and have a good time. What I didn't know was sex, the incertion of my penis into her vagina. Never thought of that when I was 6, I knew what sex was when I was 10. (6th grade hit the world to me like a truck :razz: ) I find no problem with making kids (0-10ish) aware that there are differences between girls and boys and that the concept of romantic relationships exist. I do have a problem with kids having sex because of social pressures. Because the vast majority of ten year olds aren't sexually mature. Do you know what happens when a ten year old gets pregnant? This article is really lovely: http://en.wikipedia....t_birth_mothersQuite said most of these were rapes. 2 "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It depends what you mean by sexuality. I had my first crush at 6 years old, I knew a bit earlier that girls and boys were different and supposed to be attracted to one another in a romantic type way. You would kiss or hold hands with your little girlfriend and have a good time. That's romance, not sex. Two things commonly mistaken for being the same thing when they are in fact quite different (although they are related). What I didn't know was sex, the incertion of my penis into her vagina. Never thought of that when I was 6, I knew what sex was when I was 10. (6th grade hit the world to me like a truck :razz: ) When you were ten, and your peers were starting to go through puberty...in other words becoming sexual beings. I find no problem with making kids (0-10ish) aware that there are differences between girls and boys and that the concept of romantic relationships exist. I do have a problem with kids having sex because of social pressures. Of course. Kids should know about sex before they become sexual beings. But our society doesn't teach them properly... Quite said most of these were rapes. Indeed. But it's the health issues that are most relevant to RPG's post. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Because the vast majority of ten year olds aren't sexually mature. Do you know what happens when a ten year old gets pregnant? This article is really lovely: http://en.wikipedia....t_birth_mothers Is it bad I almost laughed at this part on the first name:"...and a drunk villager" 1 Popoto.~<3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Why is it so weird for a 10 year old to have sex? Because the vast majority of ten year olds aren't sexually mature. Do you know what happens when a ten year old gets pregnant? This article is really lovely: http://en.wikipedia....t_birth_mothers Hundreds of generations ago, people only lived to be 30 if they were lucky. You had to breed early, and breed often just to keep your bloodline in tact. Try 12-14, not 10. Romeo&Juliet? Pretty sure Romeo was 14 and Juliet was like 9 or 10. Try 18 and 13. Society is what removed sexuality from "the child" and it's actually a recent phenomenon. It mostly started in the early 1900's when children's rights demanded they can't work such ridiculous hours and were entitled to a "childhood". This "childhood" then morphed into this abstract phase in life where sexuality holds no presence. Except it does, but because it's a social construction - sexuality is ignored. Sexuality is usually discovered and explored by the time a child is ~3 biologically. Of course it's taboo to even suggest such a thing because social structure is blinded by generations of misinformation and ignorance. Misinformation and ignorance? How about biology and truth? Children have sexual organs, sure...but until sexual maturity is reached (puberty) a child is not a sexual creature in the same sense an adult is. Have you heard of the dolphin picture test? (not sure that's what it's actually called). I'm sure it's "societal construction" that leads to prepubescent children being unable to recognize a picture of lovers. Our society sexualizes children more now than practically any society in our history - that's what's abnormal, not the other way around. The dolphin test has about as much scientific validity as the Rorschach test. It's actually growing more and more common for girls to start their period in the 11 and under stage*. I had a classmate who's daughter started menstruating right after she turned 8. While I understand these kids aren't in the mental stage to go about fornicating like rabbits, they are in fact biologically ready. Being disgusted at a sexualized child is a social construct. I apologize for not linking articles, I can't be arsed to source things. *check articles of hormone consumption in food industry Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine naked men Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 well this topic got weird 1 sleep like dead men wake up like dead men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The dolphin test has about as much scientific validity as the Rorschach test. I'm not claiming it's a good scientific test, but it is interesting. It's actually growing more and more common for girls to start their period in the 11 and under stage*. I had a classmate who's daughter started menstruating right after she turned 8. While I understand these kids aren't in the mental stage to go about fornicating like rabbits, they are in fact biologically ready. Let me make it clear for you: The vast majority of eight year olds are not biologically ready to have children. Being disgusted at a sexualized child is a social construct. I apologize for not linking articles, I can't be arsed to source things. *check articles of hormone consumption in food industry No, it isn't. And sure, don't source anything....but don't expect anyone to believe you without doing so. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Keep in mind that a lot of those "underage" pregnancies are the result of abnormalities in the mother. In other words, it's not "natural" to have kids at such an age. I agree that the stigmatization of the sexualization of post-pubescent kids is a societal thing. This is assuming that the kid goes through puberty "naturally," though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It's like you just jumped from childhood to adulthood without experiencing puberty at all obfuscator... Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 He was every parent's dream; a baby that was born as a 34 year old dentist. :lol: Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It's like you just jumped from childhood to adulthood without experiencing puberty at all obfuscator... I'm not sure what you mean by that... "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It is pretty clear to me from first-hand experience that sexual behaviour starts much earlier than social norms would like it to. I'm saying you make it sound like you've never been in those in-between years yourself. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It is pretty clear to me from first-hand experience that sexual behaviour starts much earlier than social norms would like it to. I'm saying you make it sound like you've never been in those in-between years yourself. I'm not saying children don't have sexual experiences, and I certainly did experience in between years. But the fact is that children up to a certain age are not sexual beings in the same way adults are. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I'll agree there is a phase in which sexuality does not exist. I however insist, that this phase ends much much sooner than people would like to acknowledge. 1 Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I'm not saying sexuality doesn't exist at all...children have sexual urges before they're even born. I'm just saying that they aren't really sexual beings in the same way adults are until they're a good chunk of the way through puberty. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vezon Dash Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 They aren't mentally mature enough is what I think he is getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 What do they have to be mentally mature for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vezon Dash Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 It's horrible analogy time with Vezon Dash! We should let children drive cars because they are physically capable of driving. I see no issues with 8 year old kids driving cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I'm basically saying that "mental maturity" and not being considered a "sexual being" despite having gone through puberty is a societal construct, resulting from many many centuries of stigmatizing sex and making it sound way more important than it actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpieman2 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Why is it so weird for a 10 year old to have sex? Hundreds of generations ago, people only lived to be 30 if they were lucky. You had to breed early, and breed often just to keep your bloodline in tact. Romeo&Juliet? Pretty sure Romeo was 14 and Juliet was like 9 or 10. Society is what removed sexuality from "the child" and it's actually a recent phenomenon. It mostly started in the early 1900's when children's rights demanded they can't work such ridiculous hours and were entitled to a "childhood". This "childhood" then morphed into this abstract phase in life where sexuality holds no presence. Except it does, but because it's a social construction - sexuality is ignored. Sexuality is usually discovered and explored by the time a child is ~3 biologically. Of course it's taboo to even suggest such a thing because social structure is blinded by generations of misinformation and ignorance.We might have moved past this, but i don't want to read everything, but say that while Romeo and Juliet was around 14 years each, it was a play, was it not? Based on the time period, but still significantly different from 10 year olds. I also want to point out you mention society, but not all societies are the same, even though many share siilarities. Some societies have 15 year olds as adult leaders, ready to have a famly themselves in this age. There really is somethig wrong wih a pregnant 10 year old regardless of society, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I'm basically saying that "mental maturity" and not being considered a "sexual being" despite having gone through puberty is a societal construct, resulting from many many centuries of stigmatizing sex and making it sound way more important than it actually is. risk of pregnancy in uncommon cases is what it comes back to. Which is why people like Verizon compare it to driving a car. He doesn't understand why he feels such strong negative feelings about it. But he does hold strong negative feelings - to the extent of comparing it to a machine that can cause death and injury if improperly used. If he looks deeper into why he is feeling that way it is "I do not like childhood sexual contact because of the risk of potential pregnancies with individuals have no capacity to care for a baby, and beyond that they have no capacity to understand the enormous responsibility that it is. Therefore reasoning with such individuals conventionally would be a fruitless affair and we ought to stigmatize it to solve this dilemma" I'm sure you can agree with the reasoning but you would probably disagree with the conclusion. But you have to understand the drive to do so, discouraging or even demonization of the behavior is an easy way to achieve the desired results. Stigmatization is an easy solution so it is the most commonly used one. Is it still appropriate now that we have birth control? Probably not, but it will be a long time before societies default mode of dealing with this problem starts to change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I don't think that's why Vezon stigmatizes it. He's just been taught it's wrong. Long ago, however, this might have been the rationale. 1 Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Went out on Saturday with a group of friends I've not seen in a few months. Right from the off there was a nasty taste in the air, I could tell something wasn't right. I asked one of them, but they just said "Yeah it's OK, we've got it sorted." One of my friends eventually broke down in tears just as we were about to set off to town ("we've got it sorted"... whatever). Eventually things got back on track and we went out, but it was still going on. People leaving for 20-30 mins at a time with each other, coming back in with forced smiles on their faces. Nobody dancing, just sitting mardy-arsed in the corner of the club. I was pretty drunk and I'd travelled 100 miles and booked some time off work to come to this thing, so it was at this point I thought of this thread and muggi's advice on drama. I then decided "[bleep] it, I'm enjoying myself and they can keep their secrets to themselves." So I went off on my own, danced with random strangers, and I did enjoy myself. Afterwards, I got half the back story on what was going on and... I won't go into detail, but it involved sex and it's the kind of thing fully grown adults should know better than to indulge in. My point is, drama's not a good thing. Yes, it's a story to tell later and it makes things more interesting, but it also usually winds up pissing a lot of people off and causing a lot of needless hurt. If you're the kind of person that exacerbates drama or actively seeks drama out, stop it. You're not doing yourself or them any favours. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine naked men Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Another anti-intellectual, seeking to stomp out the arts. Why don't you just go cut some more funding or be an engineer something, you robot. sleep like dead men wake up like dead men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpgGamer Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Why is it so weird for a 10 year old to have sex? Hundreds of generations ago, people only lived to be 30 if they were lucky. You had to breed early, and breed often just to keep your bloodline in tact. Romeo&Juliet? Pretty sure Romeo was 14 and Juliet was like 9 or 10. Society is what removed sexuality from "the child" and it's actually a recent phenomenon. It mostly started in the early 1900's when children's rights demanded they can't work such ridiculous hours and were entitled to a "childhood". This "childhood" then morphed into this abstract phase in life where sexuality holds no presence. Except it does, but because it's a social construction - sexuality is ignored. Sexuality is usually discovered and explored by the time a child is ~3 biologically. Of course it's taboo to even suggest such a thing because social structure is blinded by generations of misinformation and ignorance.We might have moved past this, but i don't want to read everything, but say that while Romeo and Juliet was around 14 years each, it was a play, was it not? Based on the time period, but still significantly different from 10 year olds. I also want to point out you mention society, but not all societies are the same, even though many share siilarities. Some societies have 15 year olds as adult leaders, ready to have a famly themselves in this age. There really is somethig wrong wih a pregnant 10 year old regardless of society, though. "mental maturity" is taught. We don't have children acting as sexual adults because we teach them not to. Quote Quote Anyone who likes tacos is incapable of logic. Anyone who likes logic is incapable of tacos. PSA: SaqPrets is an Estonian Dude Steam: NippleBeardTM Origin: Brand_New_iPwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxx Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Had a bit of a fun experience this weekend. We went out. Saw this girl pretty much soon as we got there. She gave me a few looks throughout the night. I wasn't really in the mood to try and chat someone up, so i kinda just ignored it. She called me over at one point though, and told me she wanted to talk to me. So i'm like alright let's talk. She told me that i reminded her of the lead singer of Taking Back Sunday (Adam Burbank Lazzara. So i'm standing there trying to figure out the point of why she's telling me this, with kind of a "get on with it" look on my face. She went on to say that she found him extremely attractive, so i'm on the right track. Now this girl, extremely hot, but she knows it. Has a bit of an attitude from what i could see during the night. Not typically the girl i would go for, but heck one night stand material. So i decided to have a go. We start talking about some random crap and before i know it we had been talking for nearly an hour. So i told her i was going to excuse myself and get back to my friends. About 5 minutes before closing time she cones up to me and says someone just bought her a shot of Patron but she hates tequila so i should have it. I'm standing there joking about how i shouldn't take it cause she might be trying to drug me or something. And this is when it happened. My drunk, [wagon] friend, snaps the glass from my hand and says something along the lines of "well alright then i'll drink it" nearly spilling the stuff all over me. She found that very unfitting (and so did i to be honest), and kind of left with a disgusted look on her face. I felt like kicking a baby at that point.She did however find me on Facebook somehow, sent me a msg saying it was nice to meet me, sorry the night ended the way it did. I gave her my apologies for the [wagon] as well (he's actually more of a friend of a friend). I told her we should go out some time and continue our conversation (it was about 11pm Saturday night when i sent this). She replied by saying that she was free now... and so it began, haha. I really wish more girls would be like this. Be a bit more modern and not wait for a guy to approach them. Girls might not realise it but a lot of guys find it very complimenting when girls approach them. And to be honest it makes me feel like a champ when a hot girl calls me over, and the whole bat can see it. Especially when several guys have hit on her during the night. Just makes you wanna smile :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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