HEROES SPOILER!!

[Faux]

What's PWToS?

 

 

 

Peter's Wonderful Team of Sociopaths.

 

 

 

Lmao. Here I was trying to match up Matt, Mohinder and Peter's initials

[Adam007]

Completely agreed Indy. This episode almost turned me off Heroes after watching religiously since the beginning. Everything was so obvious, so many predictable plot devices. That wouldn't be horrible, but the worst is how lame half of the scenes were. Tracy needlessly killing that guy to convince the woman in charge to hand over control to Nathan? The lame and needless wedding scene? That's just the beginning of how subpar this episode was. No cliffhangers, no shocking moments, just recycled scenes that were pretty painful to watch. But I remain optimistic.

[Uldric]

Completely agreed Indy. This episode almost turned me off Heroes after watching religiously since the beginning. Everything was so obvious, so many predictable plot devices. That wouldn't be horrible, but the worst is how lame half of the scenes were. Tracy needlessly killing that guy to convince the woman in charge to hand over control to Nathan? The lame and needless wedding scene? That's just the beginning of how subpar this episode was. No cliffhangers, no shocking moments, just recycled scenes that were pretty painful to watch. But I remain optimistic.

 

 

 

I'm just pissed they killed off Daphne. Kill off Hiro I say, he's boring. Give him his mothers healing ability or something (don't know if his dad had an ability even though he was in that group with all the other people that were killed off.)

[hellbellz]

Give Hiro his powers back and lets go to the time of when everything was suspensful :

[Nom]

I never commented on the Nathan part of the episode because quite honestly I didn't care. I mean, the writers pretty much admitted straight up that Tracy escaping was a plot device by having the characters say it. Nathan has always been one of my least favorite characters and he's only gotten worse.

 

 

 

Again, the wedding in India was utterly pointless and stupid, I think everyone agrees on that.

 

 

 

Claire/Noah tension may be old and tired, but it seems to be one of the only things the writers actually know how to do, and considering it finally came to some sort of climax I can somewhat forgive that they recycled it so much. If only this had happened in like season 2 instead of now.

 

 

 

Sylar was easily the best part of the episode.

 

 

 

No cliffhangers, no shocking moments, just recycled scenes that were pretty painful to watch.

 

 

 

I don't know how many times I've expressed this opinion, but why on earth does an episode have to contain some mind-blowing revelation/shock/cliffhanger/fight scene/etc to be considered good? Heroes lately has been lacking in everything, and this episode made some improvements over the first two. I suppose Daphne getting shot and killed was good because it was shocking? That's exactly why it was bad. I'd rather the writers stick to something that they've shown some skill for, however recycled it is becoming, than try to shoehorn some totally awesome moment in where it doesn't belong.

 

 

 

No offense to you, just a general beef with the average TV viewer. I enjoyed the episode because it was executed well enough to feel like it filled out the whole hour, not like the last two that pretty much zipped by and left me with no lasting impression. From anything. Just a sense of "Well . . . that's an hour wasted."

[Baconxl]

No offense to you, just a general beef with the average TV viewer. I enjoyed the episode because it was executed well enough to feel like it filled out the whole hour, not like the last two that pretty much zipped by and left me with no lasting impression. From anything. Just a sense of "Well . . . that's an hour wasted."

 

 

 

Agreed. I think most of the viewers expect something spectacular to happen every episode, it won't. I think the last episode was well executed, perhaps a bit uneventful in comparison to some but still, not a bad episode.

[Adam007]

No offense to you, just a general beef with the average TV viewer. I enjoyed the episode because it was executed well enough to feel like it filled out the whole hour, not like the last two that pretty much zipped by and left me with no lasting impression. From anything. Just a sense of "Well . . . that's an hour wasted."

 

 

 

Agreed. I think most of the viewers expect something spectacular to happen every episode, it won't. I think the last episode was well executed, perhaps a bit uneventful in comparison to some but still, not a bad episode.

 

I definitely don't think a show needs exciting moments to be good, but that's why I watch Heroes. It's all about tension and release. I don't expect an awesome release/climax/exciting moment every episode, but when they're building up and it's lame like this, there's just not much to enjoy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. I definitely love the psychological element to the show, the relationships, and motivations, but the show is really an action show. If you're not into the big plot twists, what drives you to keep watching?

[Baconxl]

No offense to you, just a general beef with the average TV viewer. I enjoyed the episode because it was executed well enough to feel like it filled out the whole hour, not like the last two that pretty much zipped by and left me with no lasting impression. From anything. Just a sense of "Well . . . that's an hour wasted."

 

 

 

Agreed. I think most of the viewers expect something spectacular to happen every episode, it won't. I think the last episode was well executed, perhaps a bit uneventful in comparison to some but still, not a bad episode.

 

I definitely don't think a show needs exciting moments to be good, but that's why I watch Heroes. It's all about tension and release. I don't expect an awesome release/climax/exciting moment every episode, but when they're building up and it's lame like this, there's just not much to enjoy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. I definitely love the psychological element to the show, the relationships, and motivations, but the show is really an action show. If you're not into the big plot twists, what drives you to keep watching?

 

 

 

I agree, that's why I keep watching as well. It's just the episodes that people have been like "Wow, that episode last night was unbelievable!" (or something along those lines) are the ones that have the spectacular stunts or fight scenes, not the complex ones. A couple of my friends said they stopped watching the show because season 3 had too many plot turns, which I just don't get. Don't get me wrong either, I love the action in some episodes but it can't drive a show alone, not saying it is now, because usually Heroes has a good mix of both. As NOM said, I feel like they killed of Daphne just because it would be shocking, which I don't think shows much skill in the writers. They seem to have lost their touch, at least with what we've seen. I do however remain optimistic.

[indy500fan]

I definitely don't think a show needs exciting moments to be good, but that's why I watch Heroes. It's all about tension and release. I don't expect an awesome release/climax/exciting moment every episode, but when they're building up and it's lame like this, there's just not much to enjoy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. I definitely love the psychological element to the show, the relationships, and motivations, but the show is really an action show. If you're not into the big plot twists, what drives you to keep watching?

 

 

 

I can't stop watvhing something once I start. That's why I am still watching Damages even though I [bleep]ing hate it. Plus Rose Byrne. She is very nice looking.

[PoorLepRecon]

A very good episode in my opinion. Now we know that Angela is involved in this somehow, and that Noah is working with her. Nathan is losing all control of his original plan, and The Hunter is taking over.

 

 

 

I'm a bit annoyed that they brought Daphne back, I hate that they keep making characters come back. Either kill them off, or let them live.

 

 

 

I laughed at the part when The Hunter said "You hear that boys, phasers on stun". A nice bit of humor for the episode. :lol:

 

 

 

And now we have a painting of a bomb in DC. Parkmans new paintings are interesting, looks like he is going to be a suicide bomber in one of these episode. An interesting cliffhanger, now we have to see it develop.

[stevepole]

Yes, I thought this was a great episode. Possibly my favorite so far this season, hopefully the rest of the season is at the quality of tonight's episode. I really like how Peter isn't ruined without his original power, which was one thing I took away from tonight's episode. I like the Noah, Angela thing that is going on and the flash backs were great how they made them black and white. I was really happy with tonight's episode.

[Nom]

Episode was pretty meh. Here I was thinking that we would see some character development or at least significant backstory for Noah, and then we get a flashback to a few weeks ago. Wtf. Plus Matt going ape [cabbage] on everyone for no damn reason was just stupid.

 

 

 

So what do we know now? HRG is a double agent. He's always a double agent. Woop-de-do.

 

 

 

Oh, and Daphne is alive. [bleep] the writers. That just makes her "death" more of a deus ex machina.

 

 

 

Once again, the best part of the episode was the Hunter. The little stand-offs between him and Noah are pretty well done.

 

 

 

No offense to you, just a general beef with the average TV viewer. I enjoyed the episode because it was executed well enough to feel like it filled out the whole hour, not like the last two that pretty much zipped by and left me with no lasting impression. From anything. Just a sense of "Well . . . that's an hour wasted."

 

 

 

Agreed. I think most of the viewers expect something spectacular to happen every episode, it won't. I think the last episode was well executed, perhaps a bit uneventful in comparison to some but still, not a bad episode.

 

I definitely don't think a show needs exciting moments to be good, but that's why I watch Heroes. It's all about tension and release. I don't expect an awesome release/climax/exciting moment every episode, but when they're building up and it's lame like this, there's just not much to enjoy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. I definitely love the psychological element to the show, the relationships, and motivations, but the show is really an action show. If you're not into the big plot twists, what drives you to keep watching?

 

 

 

At the moment? Hope that it will get better. Because the ideas are still good; they just utterly fail in execution most of the time. But I don't look for action in a show as much as I look for an engaging story and cast. The characters are the center of any work of fiction. And a large part of the reason I'm pissed off with this show now is that the characters are being handled poorly. I seriously wonder why the actors even consent to do some of this crap.

[Faux]

Mohinder fails at being mutant so badly. For a scientific genius, he is one of the dumbest people on the show.

 

 

 

THere's no risk in this show. None of the core of the cast will ever die. and even if they did, they come back reincarnated.

[indy500fan]

I watch everything on my computer which is hooked up to my TV and I just switched from VGA to HDMI, so the brightness is odd. I spent the entire episode changing settings on my TV trying to get the black to look black and still be able to see what is going on. I never succeeded, so I didn't really pay full attention to the episode.

 

 

 

I did see enough though, right now Sylar is the only good part about the show and he wasn't in this episode, so I didn't care for it. Parkman not using his powers on the team sent to retrieve him was also stupid. He should have heard them thinking out side his door, could have easily stalled the squad captain while going out another way or causing them to kill each other.

[stevepole]

I watch everything on my computer which is hooked up to my TV and I just switched from VGA to HDMI, so the brightness is odd. I spent the entire episode changing settings on my TV trying to get the black to look black and still be able to see what is going on. I never succeeded, so I didn't really pay full attention to the episode.

 

 

 

I did see enough though, right now Sylar is the only good part about the show and he wasn't in this episode, so I didn't care for it. Parkman not using his powers on the team sent to retrieve him was also stupid. He should have heard them thinking out side his door, could have easily stalled the squad captain while going out another way or causing them to kill each other.

 

 

 

I do agree, Parkman should have used his powers to stop the soldiers from coming in. I really don't understand why he didn't. Also, I do feel that Sylar has had the strongest story line in the series but it was kind of nice not being thrown around from character to character.

[Baconxl]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, they probably didn't have Matt use his powers so Peter could save him, they had to have Peter come back and get out of there somehow.

 

 

 

The whole Daphne thing is sort of annoying but it's the motivation for Matt, he has a reason to fight. Though his vengeance was there before, the fact that he could save her is more of a motivation.

[PoorLepRecon]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, they probably didn't have Matt use his powers so Peter could save him, they had to have Peter come back and get out of there somehow.

 

 

 

The whole Daphne thing is sort of annoying but it's the motivation for Matt, he has a reason to fight. Though his vengeance was there before, the fact that he could save her is more of a motivation.

 

 

 

Then why kill her at all? Why not have her stunned, and taken captive. Then Matt would have the motivation to free her. There was no need to make it appear that she was dead, and then show her alive.

[stevepole]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, they probably didn't have Matt use his powers so Peter could save him, they had to have Peter come back and get out of there somehow.

 

 

 

The whole Daphne thing is sort of annoying but it's the motivation for Matt, he has a reason to fight. Though his vengeance was there before, the fact that he could save her is more of a motivation.

 

 

 

Then why kill her at all? Why not have her stunned, and taken captive. Then Matt would have the motivation to free her. There was no need to make it appear that she was dead, and then show her alive.

 

 

 

In all honesty all they showed us was Daphne getting shot and laying unconscious. No one actually declares her dead, besides Parkman who left in a hurry to save his own life. There is also one thing about this show that can't be overlooked, nothing is ever what it seems.

[Nom]

Whether they had simply made Daphne being shown taken alive or not, it's still a plot contrivance to make Matt do what he needs to do in order to serve the plot. Why wasn't Ando seemingly killed, or Matt himself, or Mohinder? Because none of them had a significant other that needed a reason to join PWToS.

 

 

 

Baaaaaaaaaad writing. Just let Matt do his own damn thing. It could be more interesting than what he's doing now. And Daphne could have easily gotten herself captured in one of her impulsive thefts or something and then it would be completely natural. Then Matt would need to launch his own mission without knowing where Peter or anyone else is and having none of their help. That could have been great.

[Baconxl]

[hide=Spoilers for Tonight's Episode Inside]I though tonight's episode was pretty good. So now we know Peter can hold onto more than one ability, supposedly. But he had to take Nathan's power to fly away? I'm not really sure about that one. Also, if he could hold on to multiple abilities then he should've just healed from that bullet wound. Little confused about that whole thing.

 

 

 

About the Matt bomb thing, I think Nathan will either rip the vest off Matt and fly away with it or if that's not a possibility, Matt will command Nathan to fly him up and Nathan will get to a safe distance while Matt is in the air about to explode, thus sacrificing himself to save a couple hundred/thousand people.[/hide]

[Nom]

[hide=Spoilers for Tonight's Episode Inside]I though tonight's episode was pretty good. So now we know Peter can hold onto more than one ability, supposedly. But he had to take Nathan's power to fly away? I'm not really sure about that one. Also, if he could hold on to multiple abilities then he should've just healed from that bullet wound. Little confused about that whole thing.

 

 

 

About the Matt bomb thing, I think Nathan will either rip the vest off Matt and fly away with it or if that's not a possibility, Matt will command Nathan to fly him up and Nathan will get to a safe distance while Matt is in the air about to explode, thus sacrificing himself to save a couple hundred/thousand people.[/hide]

 

 

 

Pretty sure Nathan caught him and flew him to safety.

 

 

 

I agree, decent episode. Underwater make-out scene was lol. I bet he's still hiding in the closet.

 

 

 

But I though puppet guy was dead. Sylar totally pwned him when he did his whole Saw thing at Primatech.

[Baconxl]

[hide=Spoilers for Tonight's Episode Inside]I though tonight's episode was pretty good. So now we know Peter can hold onto more than one ability, supposedly. But he had to take Nathan's power to fly away? I'm not really sure about that one. Also, if he could hold on to multiple abilities then he should've just healed from that bullet wound. Little confused about that whole thing.

 

 

 

About the Matt bomb thing, I think Nathan will either rip the vest off Matt and fly away with it or if that's not a possibility, Matt will command Nathan to fly him up and Nathan will get to a safe distance while Matt is in the air about to explode, thus sacrificing himself to save a couple hundred/thousand people.[/hide]

 

 

 

Pretty sure Nathan caught him and flew him to safety.

 

 

 

I agree, decent episode. Underwater make-out scene was lol. I bet he's still hiding in the closet.

 

 

 

But I though puppet guy was dead. Sylar totally pwned him when he did his whole Saw thing at Primatech.

 

 

 

Ohhhh, that makes more sense. Damn, didn't think of that at all. Hmm.

 

 

 

[Wikipedia]Eric Doyle appears and takes control of Sylar before Sylar overpowers him, leaving him lying on the ground bleeding from his nose. He then injects Meredith with adrenaline.[/Wikipedia]

 

Yeah, he just incapacitated him, didn't kill him.

[Faux]

lame episode. Nathan's trying to be a good guy now. Who didn't see THAT coming

 

 

 

I don't know how they did it, but they made Mohinder's capture epic compared to Parkman getting caught. That was one of the lowest moment of the show

[EdgedThesis]

Nathan has always tried to be the good guy.

[Baconxl]

Forgot to ask this. Who do you guys think REBEL is? It probably is Hana Gitelman although in the graphic novel she appears to be deleted/die so I'm not totally sure. Only other person capable of this that we've seen is Micah and he always said that he wanted to use his powers to help people. I suppose we'll see.