Flag Burning.

[Lateralus]

Why would you burn a flag? Back in the day it might have been revolutionary, maybe. But today it just seems so unnecessary, and not really relevant.

 

 

 

There doesn't need to be a reason to do anything, so long as you don't harm another person in the process.

 

 

 

Still, if you do something like burn a flag you should be prepared to justify yourself sensibly or be thought an idiot.

 

 

 

I do have justified reason it's called free-speech and is upheld by civilised countries.

 

 

 

Free speech is the reason that you shouldn't and won't be prosecuted for burning a flag, but it's nothing like a reason to do it.

[Zierro]

I think burning something shows a little more hostility than words do. Like I said, fire is one of the most extreme forms of desecration.

[BlueTear]

I think burning something shows a little more hostility than words do. Like I said, fire is one of the most extreme forms of desecration.

As has already been mentioned in this thread, fire is the proper way to dispose of a used flag. Cremation is also a widely spread practice across many religious (and non-religious) denominations. "Burning something" is not an inherently hostile act.

 

 

 

And again; Assaulting someone for pissing on a symbol is showing more reverence to the symbol itself than to the ethical and legal codes people have died to protect. Though of course, worshipping a symbol is certainly easier than upholding moral values.

 

 

 

edit: Way to mess up sentence.

[Powman3]

 

It's not actually a death threat to mealy say that your going to kill someone there needs to be a certain mannerism about it.

 

 

 

I really want to siggy this, do you even realize how dumb that sounds?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Put it in your sig if you wish, you obviously have no understanding of the law.

 

 

 

I'm getting quite annoyed with you, you're taking the whole Freedom of Speech thing WAY too seriously.

 

 

 

I don't care if you're an American and you're burning a flag, I don't care if you're Japanese, I don't care if you're Mexican, all you're doing is showing ignorance. Your only excuse for posting your pieces of crap is because of Freedom of Speech. You don't even live in America! :roll:

[DaN]

 

It's not actually a death threat to mealy say that your going to kill someone there needs to be a certain mannerism about it.

 

 

 

I really want to siggy this, do you even realize how dumb that sounds?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Put it in your sig if you wish, you obviously have no understanding of the law.

 

 

 

I'm getting quite annoyed with you, you're taking the whole Freedom of Speech thing WAY too seriously.

 

 

 

I don't care if you're an American and you're burning a flag, I don't care if you're Japanese, I don't care if you're Mexican, all you're doing is showing ignorance. Your only excuse for posting your pieces of crap is because of Freedom of Speech. You don't even live in America! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

Your taking a piece of cloth to seriously, do you know what some people would give to even have a ounce of your freedom? In china people cannot even keep blogs without getting hauled off.

 

 

 

I don't live in America, Why does free-speech only apply there?

[Lenticular_J]

As has already been mentioned in this thread, fire is the proper way to dispose of a used flag. Cremation is also a widely spread practice across many religious (and non-religious) denominations. "Burning something" is not an inherently hostile act.

 

DaN's already said he did it for "curiosity", and has defended that by saying he simply has the right to do it. I seriously doubt he knows a single other act to be done when retiring a flag. That "point" (I suppose?) is useless.

 

 

 

Burning something is in fact one of the most extreme forms of desecration; burning someone's home is extreme intimidation; burning a person is more than murder (well, usually it is), fire is used as a message.

 

 

 

Your taking a piece of cloth to seriously, do you know what some people would give to even have a ounce of your freedom? In china people cannot even keep blogs without getting hauled off.

 

 

 

You're starting to understand the point. People have given their lives to have the freedom you have to burn a flag of a country you don't even live in! I personally would die for people to have that right, but I find it idiotic and hypocritical to use the ability to do something as a reason.

[BlueTear]

DaN's already said he did it for "curiosity", and has defended that by saying he simply has the right to do it. I seriously doubt he knows a single other act to be done when retiring a flag. That "point" (I suppose?) is useless.

You blew way past my point. You certainly can burn something with hostile intent. Give me enough time, and I can probably figure out a way to breathe with hostile intent.

 

 

 

But the act of burning something does not inherently suggest hostility. Cremation, a religious tenant for billions of hindus and buddhists, is not a sign of disrespect nor hostility. Burning a used flag, is not a sign of hostility. Intent/context matters, and attempting to argue that fire is always a form of desecreation is just plain silly, which is both what Zierro and you did.

 

 

 

If DaN said he didn't do it for hostility, then whether you consider his stated reason valid or not, going on and on about how burning a flag clearly is an extreme form of desecreation makes no sense.

[Zierro]

No one said "always", but in this context it is. Why would people get offended if it wasn't?

[brunokiller]

Since when is a flag worth fighting for?

 

 

 

Go ahead and burn it, /care

[Lenticular_J]

DaN's already said he did it for "curiosity", and has defended that by saying he simply has the right to do it. I seriously doubt he knows a single other act to be done when retiring a flag. That "point" (I suppose?) is useless.

You blew way past my point. You certainly can burn something with hostile intent. Give me enough time, and I can probably figure out a way to breathe with hostile intent.

 

 

 

But the act of burning something does not inherently suggest hostility. Cremation, a religious tenant for billions of hindus and buddhists, is not a sign of disrespect nor hostility. Burning a used flag, is not a sign of hostility. Intent/context matters, and attempting to argue that fire is always a form of desecreation is just plain silly, which is both what Zierro and you did.

 

 

 

If DaN said he didn't do it for hostility, then whether you consider his stated reason valid or not, going on and on about how burning a flag clearly is an extreme form of desecreation makes no sense.

 

While I apologize, since I did blow past your point, but all I'm saying is that burning anything will typically be for a hostile reason, particularly a flag. If his video didn't follow other retirement guidelines, and when he's stated he merely burnt a flag out of curiosity, why even bring the idea of respectful cremation into it? DaN has stated a number of times in the past that he doesn't like much that that flag stands for, so why would this burning be anything but hostile, with maybe slight neutrality? Burning an object like a flag is nearly always quite a hostile thing to do. It's similar, though not the same, to burning any sort of religious book (since you don't cremate any of those).

 

 

 

Burn trash? Nobody will think it's threatening.

 

 

 

Burn a flag (NOT CREMATION)? People will.

 

 

 

It's also similar to the difference between using a cutting knife during dinner and walking at a person with a knife in your hand. You may not mean anything harmful, but the other person will certainly construe it as such.

 

 

 

Using the reasoning that he cremated and retired the flag respectfully is no reason at all. He has no reason, other than being able to and curious about what would happen. While I don't agree with that at all, it is probably in his Australian rights to do so. And if I was Australian, I'd defend his rights to the death.

[MicroLegionnaire]

Free speech, does admittedly, allow you to do dumb stuff like burn a country's flag. But its just bad manners to do so.

 

 

 

There's no law against jumping on the tables in a fancy restaurant and shouting "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO ME!!" before proceeding to swim in the soup tureen either. But people will look at you funny and wonder what's taking the men in white so long to get there.

 

 

 

Free speech also means that people have the right to say whatever they want to about you as well.

 

 

 

Its all down to manners really.

[BlueTear]

While I apologize, since I did blow past your point, but all I'm saying is that burning anything will typically be for a hostile reason, particularly a flag.

But the act of burning something does not inherently suggest hostility. Or, without copy and paste repetiton; No, it does not. Again; You're free to think Dan an idiot for burning a flag, but it's silly to argue that he was expressing hostility because he used fire (Cremation was only mentioned as an example to show that fire is not a sign of disrespect because it is fire, I wasn't drawing parallells to what Dan did with his flag), and it's still silly to be offended by the fiery destruction of a piece of cloth.

 

 

 

Most if not all of the "offense" taken in this thread was also followed by immediate disrepect for, and I've said this before, the legal and ethical code it's meant to symbolize. As to the why? Because you can instill a since of reverence for a symbol into a 4 year old without any trouble. Reverence for philosophical concepts like the rule of law is harder, and requires some actual thougth. It's easy to revere a symbol for freedom, hard to actually understand and respect the concepts behind it.

 

 

 

(I just remembered something I forgot to mention in regards to someone's way earlier comment on where you get a hold of a foreign flag to burn in the first place; In an exceptional display of geographic knowledge, attempts to burn a Danish flag a few years ago resulted in the unfortunate demise of a Swiss flag. They're like, right next to eac... Well, no. But if you squint while looking at them, it's almost like burning a Danish flag! The thing was, much to the amusement of everyone with a clue, televised too but I can't for the life of remember exactly when. I havn't tried finding it on YouTube though, so that might be possible if anyone feels like trying.)

[Bufoman]

Well here's an idea for those of you who want to make a stand for flag burning:

 

 

 

Go do it in the chinese capital with their flag.

[Powman3]

 

It's not actually a death threat to mealy say that your going to kill someone there needs to be a certain mannerism about it.

 

 

 

I really want to siggy this, do you even realize how dumb that sounds?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Put it in your sig if you wish, you obviously have no understanding of the law.

 

 

 

I'm getting quite annoyed with you, you're taking the whole Freedom of Speech thing WAY too seriously.

 

 

 

I don't care if you're an American and you're burning a flag, I don't care if you're Japanese, I don't care if you're Mexican, all you're doing is showing ignorance. Your only excuse for posting your pieces of crap is because of Freedom of Speech. You don't even live in America! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

Your taking a piece of cloth to seriously, do you know what some people would give to even have a ounce of your freedom? In china people cannot even keep blogs without getting hauled off.

 

 

 

I don't live in America, Why does free-speech only apply there?

 

 

 

I'm just using this as a saying:

 

 

 

One man's trash is another man's treasure.

 

 

 

While you might think an item may not be any worth to some people other people have every right to defend the reason why they take it seriously. :wall:

 

 

 

It's free speech, man. :?

 

 

 

EDIT: And it's not my fault your country doesn't have rights like we do (though I'd love to live in Australia).

[Ginger_Warrior]

Well here's an idea for those of you who want to make a stand for flag burning:

 

 

 

Go do it in the chinese capital with their flag.

 

Seeing nothing wrong with flag burning doesn't equal making a stand for it.

 

 

 

Apathy =/= support

[Lenticular_J]

Well here's an idea for those of you who want to make a stand for flag burning:

 

 

 

Go do it in the chinese capital with their flag.

 

Seeing nothing wrong with flag burning doesn't equal making a stand for it.

 

 

 

Apathy =/= support

 

He didn't say "If you're apathetic to flag burning, do it in the Chinese capital."

[Skull]

I'd rather they display their anger/frustration by burning a flag than a person.

[DaN]

Well here's an idea for those of you who want to make a stand for flag burning:

 

 

 

Go do it in the chinese capital with their flag.

 

 

 

Why, seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.

[Powman3]

I'd rather they display their anger/frustration by burning a flag than a person.

 

 

 

Yeah, I am going to have to sadly agree with this. :?

[SnWRifleman]

Dude. What the hell. You live in America, yet you disrespect the country by burning our flag? People have died for the flag, and you're pretty much burning the people who have worked for the flag. Seriously, you have won the "National Commy Award", how do you feel?

[NoMoreDead]

Dude. What the hell. You live in America, yet you disrespect the country by burning our flag? People have died for the flag, and you're pretty much burning the people who have worked for the flag. Seriously, you have won the "National Commy Award", how do you feel?

 

 

 

Nobody dies for a flag. When will we get this straight? People may die for the ideals of the country the flag represents. I know that's what your getting at, but please, just say it instead of "people have died for the/that flag".

 

 

 

I don't know how burning a flag is somehow connected with "burning the people who have worked for the flag". Burn all the flags you want. I believe that burning a flag (if it's done in a peaceful protest of some nature) is very bluntly stating you're sick and tired of what that flag represents. Burning a flag is a cry for change. Both of my grandfathers fought in wars, and in no way do I feel like someone is disrespecting what they did by burning a flag. They are not disrespecting the past so much as they are concerned for the future.

 

 

 

A flag is a flag. Don't get caught up in someone lighting some cloth on fire.

[jackattack]

Dude. What the hell. You live in America, yet you disrespect the country by burning our flag? People have died for the flag, and you're pretty much burning the people who have worked for the flag. Seriously, you have won the "National Commy Award", how do you feel?

 

 

 

Nobody dies for a flag. When will we get this straight? People may die for the ideals of the country the flag represents. I know that's what your getting at, but please, just say it instead of "people have died for the/that flag".

 

 

 

I don't know how burning a flag is somehow connected with "burning the people who have worked for the flag". Burn all the flags you want. I believe that burning a flag (if it's done in a peaceful protest of some nature) is very bluntly stating you're sick and tired of what that flag represents. Burning a flag is a cry for change. Both of my grandfathers fought in wars, and in no way do I feel like someone is disrespecting what they did by burning a flag. They are not disrespecting the past so much as they are concerned for the future.

 

 

 

A flag is a flag. Don't get caught up in someone lighting some cloth on fire.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually people have died for the actual flag itself.

[DaN]

Dude. What the hell. You live in America, yet you disrespect the country by burning our flag? People have died for the flag, and you're pretty much burning the people who have worked for the flag. Seriously, you have won the "National Commy Award", how do you feel?

 

 

 

Nobody dies for a flag. When will we get this straight? People may die for the ideals of the country the flag represents. I know that's what your getting at, but please, just say it instead of "people have died for the/that flag".

 

 

 

I don't know how burning a flag is somehow connected with "burning the people who have worked for the flag". Burn all the flags you want. I believe that burning a flag (if it's done in a peaceful protest of some nature) is very bluntly stating you're sick and tired of what that flag represents. Burning a flag is a cry for change. Both of my grandfathers fought in wars, and in no way do I feel like someone is disrespecting what they did by burning a flag. They are not disrespecting the past so much as they are concerned for the future.

 

 

 

A flag is a flag. Don't get caught up in someone lighting some cloth on fire.

 

 

 

 

 

Actually people have died for the actual flag itself.

 

 

 

That's like having died for a paper bag.

[onuasdad]

In most US laws and stuff it says that all US ctizens must honor the flag. I DESPISE the flag. Some people might threaten you or other stuff but there's nothing literally bad taht can happen to you.

[Nero]

I couldn't really care less.