Revolutionary Summoning training method- Brainstorm

[compfreak847]

I've tested Wallaskis, was there for 30 minutes and I just teleported out. Disguisted. I'm going to run some extensive testing later to set these rumours straight.

 

Yeah, wallaskis are nowhere near what has been claimed. I'm assuming someone went there for a few hours, got decent charm drops but failed to actually count how many\how long he was there, pulled out some random numbers, and posted it on one of the H&A threads. Quite a few people seem to have jumped on it from there, but all of them are quoting numbers far higher then what you actually get. And lagging out there is bad news...

 

 

 

Anyway, why don't people just range avansies and burst rock lobsters with the money? You'll get more XP all around.

[green9090]

Math indicates that even if geyser titan pouches were easy to get in large numbers, it would only be possible to gain well under 20k exp/hour transforming them into scrolls. We are not looking at scroll crafting here.

 

 

 

Looking at using scrolls, I doubt it could gain much exp. I thought about using summoning potion to repeatedly cast fruitfall, but the scroll gives like 1.4exp- you'd have to do tens of thousands of scrolls an hour. Impossible. Even the talon beast scroll, which is the highest exp yield and, incidentally, won't make any money, would take almost 5000 casts an hour to live up to this method.

[Inuashakent]

I've tested Wallaskis, was there for 30 minutes and I just teleported out. Disguisted. I'm going to run some extensive testing later to set these rumours straight.

 

Yeah, wallaskis are nowhere near what has been claimed. I'm assuming someone went there for a few hours, got decent charm drops but failed to actually count how many\how long he was there, pulled out some random numbers, and posted it on one of the H&A threads. Quite a few people seem to have jumped on it from there, but all of them are quoting numbers far higher then what you actually get. And lagging out there is bad news...

 

 

 

Anyway, why don't people just range avansies and burst rock lobsters with the money? You'll get more XP all around.

 

 

 

No you won't... Your better off powertraining range then slayer/waterfiends.

[BabyPunchers]

If Kent says something about Summoning, you know it's right.

[compfreak847]

I've tested Wallaskis, was there for 30 minutes and I just teleported out. Disguisted. I'm going to run some extensive testing later to set these rumours straight.

 

Yeah, wallaskis are nowhere near what has been claimed. I'm assuming someone went there for a few hours, got decent charm drops but failed to actually count how many\how long he was there, pulled out some random numbers, and posted it on one of the H&A threads. Quite a few people seem to have jumped on it from there, but all of them are quoting numbers far higher then what you actually get. And lagging out there is bad news...

 

 

 

Anyway, why don't people just range avansies and burst rock lobsters with the money? You'll get more XP all around.

 

 

 

No you won't... Your better off powertraining range then slayer/waterfiends.

 

Only if you value slayer XP highly; if you can earn over 450k an hour (not exact, it's been a while since I calculated it all out), lobsters beat waterfiends. And powertraining range? I get around 60K xp\hour at avansies, the only way I know of to beat that is chinchompas. True, I don't use the 'standard' avansie method, but I still make around 450-480k an hour if I'm paying attention. If you like GWD and can earn plenty of money there, chins are a better choice, but lobsters would then be better also.

[nyyankees588]

Ok- just to set a few things straight about my comments about walleskies- I cannoned them for around 20 hours. Those were the drop rates a few months ago, I cannot be sure of the profit now because I don't know prices of the pieces anymore. I am not saying these are even faster then fiends, I simply mentioned that these were fast blue charms and that you made a profit.

[xSxqPowerx]

His rates for wallasalki charms were fairly accurate.

 

I managed to get 38 blue, 30 crimson, 60 gold, 15-20 green in an hour.

 

That is with cannon, msb/rune arrows, and steel titan.

 

Also 120k range exp.

 

 

 

As far as cost for that method goes - you MIGHT be able to profit if you could pick up all of the skeletal stuff.

[compfreak847]

His rates for wallasalki charms were fairly accurate.

 

I managed to get 38 blue, 30 crimson, 60 gold, 15-20 green in an hour.

 

That is with cannon, msb/rune arrows, and steel titan.

 

Also 120k range exp.

 

 

 

As far as cost for that method goes - you MIGHT be able to profit if you could pick up all of the skeletal stuff.

 

Really? I'm surprised, couldn't get close to that myself. Then again, rune arrows and steel titan aren't exactly typical.

[Inuashakent]

His rates for wallasalki charms were fairly accurate.

 

I managed to get 38 blue, 30 crimson, 60 gold, 15-20 green in an hour.

 

That is with cannon, msb/rune arrows, and steel titan.

 

Also 120k range exp.

 

 

 

As far as cost for that method goes - you MIGHT be able to profit if you could pick up all of the skeletal stuff.

 

 

 

Who buys skeletal anyways? I assume it's junk, but I could be wrong... Steel titan... lol, theres your answer. :lol:

 

 

 

Only if you value slayer XP highly; if you can earn over 450k an hour (not exact, it's been a while since I calculated it all out), lobsters beat waterfiends. And powertraining range? I get around 60K xp\hour at avansies, the only way I know of to beat that is chinchompas. True, I don't use the 'standard' avansie method, but I still make around 450-480k an hour if I'm paying attention. If you like GWD and can earn plenty of money there, chins are a better choice, but lobsters would then be better also.

 

 

 

60x xp/hour is impossible at aviancies... am I wrong on this? Slayer/Waterfiends gives alot of combat xp, which I would value more than mage xp too. But I guess this is part opinion. Also, slayer xp is highly valuable. If you can make 450k+ an hour it's worth bursting? I will do the math right here so I can add this to my guide.

 

 

 

First, let me ask if this starting info is correct.

 

 

 

Charms/1k burst: 230

 

Bursting/ hour: ???

 

Charms/ hour at Waterfiends: At least 100.

[green9090]

It would take right around 70 blues per hour to get 50k exp/hour, assuming one can craft 1.2k pouches in an hour. Not impossible, but definitely unlikely. It would definitely be a monster that few people have ever killed in any significant amount- you would notice pretty quickly getting more than one blue charm a minute.

[My_Eggs]

It would take right around 70 blues per hour to get 50k exp/hour, assuming one can craft 1.2k pouches in an hour. Not impossible, but definitely unlikely. It would definitely be a monster that few people have ever killed in any significant amount- you would notice pretty quickly getting more than one blue charm a minute.

 

 

 

 

 

Green, if its really eating at you so badly to know this method, assuming there is one... Why don't you get a list of every monster that drops charms, and go kill each one for an hour, see whats the best blue charm dropper, even if the monster doesn't seem likely to be a good dropper, do it anyways. Really, thats the only way your gonna figure this out, cause it doesn't seem like hes gonna be telling the method anytime soon... If none of the monsters work out for the methods calculations, then you'll know, its not monster killing that is the method, but you'll also know, you just wasted a lot of time. ;)

[Inuashakent]

It would take right around 70 blues per hour to get 50k exp/hour, assuming one can craft 1.2k pouches in an hour. Not impossible, but definitely unlikely. It would definitely be a monster that few people have ever killed in any significant amount- you would notice pretty quickly getting more than one blue charm a minute.

 

 

 

 

 

Green, if its really eating at you so badly to know this method, assuming there is one... Why don't you get a list of every monster that drops charms, and go kill each one for an hour, see whats the best blue charm dropper, even if the monster doesn't seem likely to be a good dropper, do it anyways. Really, thats the only way your gonna figure this out, cause it doesn't seem like hes gonna be telling the method anytime soon... If none of the monsters work out for the methods calculations, then you'll know, its not monster killing that is the method, but you'll also know, you just wasted a lot of time. ;)

 

 

 

Actually this topic sparked alot of good discussion about summoning, albeit not exactly what this topic is about...

 

 

 

If Kent says something about Summoning, you know it's right.

 

 

 

Wow. I wish, thanks. I'm not perfect. :XD:

[compfreak847]

It would take right around 70 blues per hour to get 50k exp/hour, assuming one can craft 1.2k pouches in an hour. Not impossible, but definitely unlikely. It would definitely be a monster that few people have ever killed in any significant amount- you would notice pretty quickly getting more than one blue charm a minute.

 

 

 

 

 

Green, if its really eating at you so badly to know this method, assuming there is one... Why don't you get a list of every monster that drops charms, and go kill each one for an hour, see whats the best blue charm dropper, even if the monster doesn't seem likely to be a good dropper, do it anyways. Really, thats the only way your gonna figure this out, cause it doesn't seem like hes gonna be telling the method anytime soon... If none of the monsters work out for the methods calculations, then you'll know, its not monster killing that is the method, but you'll also know, you just wasted a lot of time. ;)

 

 

 

Actually this topic sparked alot of good discussion about summoning, albeit not exactly what this topic is about...

 

 

 

If Kent says something about Summoning, you know it's right.

 

 

 

Wow. I wish, thanks. I'm not perfect. :XD:

 

True, true. I'm glad to see that not everyones going crazy with "WHATS THE METHOD!!1!1!1!1111!", and I'm learning quite a bit. And killing every monster would likely result in you finding out the 'secret', so go ahead and do it. The good news is you'll be able to get slightly faster summoning XP; the bad news is that you'll hit 200m in all combat stats before getting it :-#

 

 

 

Now we just need to change the name and subject of the topic, and this will be a great discussion on summoning :)

[Inuashakent]

Last information and I can do my math. Does ANYBODY know how much bursts/hour you get at rock lobs?

[compfreak847]

Last information and I can do my math. Does ANYBODY know how much bursts/hour you get at rock lobs?

 

7 lob spot: 750-800 if your GOOD. And I have gotten that, so don't argue :thumbsup:

 

9 lob spot: Not as sure, but Artemis was quoting figures of 650-750, with 700 being most likely.

[Inuashakent]

Time to do some pro math :)

 

 

 

700

[green9090]

7 lob spot: 750-800 if your GOOD. And I have gotten that, so don't argue :thumbsup:

 

The more you say, the more I'm inclined to believe that everything you say is an exaggeration. You do not get 800 crimsons an hour bursting rock lobsters. That's ridiculous.

[Inuashakent]

7 lob spot: 750-800 if your GOOD. And I have gotten that, so don't argue :thumbsup:

 

The more you say, the more I'm inclined to believe that everything you say is an exaggeration. You do not get 800 crimsons an hour bursting rock lobsters. That's ridiculous.

 

 

 

Casts per hour, not crimsons.

[Inuashakent]

230 charms/1k burst

 

700 burst/hour

 

180k xp/hour

 

120 crimsons/hour at waterfiends (piety) You break even, if not gain profit there... I'll count it as break even.

 

(78% crimson drops) 153 kills/hour. 128 hp. 19,584 hp/hour= 78,336 combat xp, 26,111 hp xp/hour.

 

 

 

1020k/1k bursts.

 

230/1k bursts.

 

 

 

4434 gp/Charm at Rock lobsters

 

0gp/charm at Waterfiends (Assume, although you gain profit...)

 

 

 

120 charms/hour at Waterfiends

 

0.7x230 = 161/hour

 

 

 

What I have so far. It's messy... let me post a new one and use this one as reference.

[compfreak847]

230 charms/1k burst

 

700 burst/hour

 

180k xp/hour

 

120 crimsons/hour at waterfiends (piety) You break even, if not gain profit there... I'll count it as break even.

 

(78% crimson drops) 153 kills/hour. 128 hp. 19,584 hp/hour= 78,336 combat xp, 26,111 hp xp/hour.

 

 

 

1020k/1k bursts.

 

230/1k bursts.

 

 

 

4434 gp/Charm at Rock lobsters

 

0gp/charm at Waterfiends (Assume, although you gain profit...)

 

 

 

120 charms/hour at Waterfiends

 

0.7x230 = 161/hour

 

 

 

What I have so far. It's messy... let me post a new one and use this one as reference.

 

Waterfiends are a tad off - I haven't tried with void melee\SS, but with z spear and the usual best stuff (super sets, piety, unicorn, fighting as fast as I can etc.), I top out at 103 crimson as the absolute max per hour, and that was a run where almost every charm was crimson. I usually get around 95-98, but not 120. 2 more strength levels\void melee\SS might help a bit, but I'm not convinced that void melee is good there - I like the prayer bonus from proslyte.

[BabyPunchers]

230 charms/1k burst

 

700 burst/hour

 

180k xp/hour

 

120 crimsons/hour at waterfiends (piety) You break even, if not gain profit there... I'll count it as break even.

 

(78% crimson drops) 153 kills/hour. 128 hp. 19,584 hp/hour= 78,336 combat xp, 26,111 hp xp/hour.

 

 

 

1020k/1k bursts.

 

230/1k bursts.

 

 

 

4434 gp/Charm at Rock lobsters

 

0gp/charm at Waterfiends (Assume, although you gain profit...)

 

 

 

120 charms/hour at Waterfiends

 

0.7x230 = 161/hour

 

 

 

What I have so far. It's messy... let me post a new one and use this one as reference.

 

Waterfiends are a tad off - I havn't tried with void melee\SS, but with z spear and the usual best stuff (super sets, piety, unicorn, fighting as fast as I can etc.), I top out at 103 crimson as the absolulte max per hour, and that was a run where almost every charm was crimson. I usually get around 95-98, but not 120. 2 more strength levels\void melee\SS might help a bit, but I'm not convinced that void melee is good there - I like the prayer bonus from proslyte.

 

 

 

Void melee is supposed to be the absolute best thing here from what I've heard. :-#

[green9090]

Casts per hour, not crimsons.

 

Oops.

[Inuashakent]

120 Charms/hour at waterfiends, free.

 

161 Charms/hour at Rock lobsters, 713,874 gp/hour.

 

(34% faster)

 

180k mage xp/hour, 78k combat xp/hour.

 

 

 

I would say the xp you get is worth about ~2x at Rock lobsters (factoring in mage is easier to get than combat) (Edit 2: Ignore this, I'm 99% sure I'm completely wrong. Getting info now.)

 

 

 

(Just for the hell of it. If you discount xp, if you make 2.09m+/hour, it's worth it..)

 

 

 

I'll finish it later, I have to find out how much mage xp is worth, and how much combat xp is worth.

[compfreak847]

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230 charms/1k burst

 

700 burst/hour

 

180k xp/hour

 

120 crimsons/hour at waterfiends (piety) You break even, if not gain profit there... I'll count it as break even.

 

(78% crimson drops) 153 kills/hour. 128 hp. 19,584 hp/hour= 78,336 combat xp, 26,111 hp xp/hour.

 

 

 

1020k/1k bursts.

 

230/1k bursts.

 

 

 

4434 gp/Charm at Rock lobsters

 

0gp/charm at Waterfiends (Assume, although you gain profit...)

 

 

 

120 charms/hour at Waterfiends

 

0.7x230 = 161/hour

 

 

 

What I have so far. It's messy... let me post a new one and use this one as reference.

 

Waterfiends are a tad off - I havn't tried with void melee\SS, but with z spear and the usual best stuff (super sets, piety, unicorn, fighting as fast as I can etc.), I top out at 103 crimson as the absolulte max per hour, and that was a run where almost every charm was crimson. I usually get around 95-98, but not 120. 2 more strength levels\void melee\SS might help a bit, but I'm not convinced that void melee is good there - I like the prayer bonus from proslyte.

 

 

 

Void melee is supposed to be the absolute best thing here from what I've heard. :-#

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I'm not sure with piety; everyone I met there with void wasn't using piety, and I was outhitting them by far. The prayer bonus from proslyte\nezinot helm seem rather large, and void's max hit is nearly equal. The accuracy boost isn't all that great either, considering your giving up +12 from the barrows gloves.. Obviously its slightly superior offensivewise, but the prayer bonus from my standard outfit makes me think \it would be better.

[BabyPunchers]

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230 charms/1k burst

 

700 burst/hour

 

180k xp/hour

 

120 crimsons/hour at waterfiends (piety) You break even, if not gain profit there... I'll count it as break even.

 

(78% crimson drops) 153 kills/hour. 128 hp. 19,584 hp/hour= 78,336 combat xp, 26,111 hp xp/hour.

 

 

 

1020k/1k bursts.

 

230/1k bursts.

 

 

 

4434 gp/Charm at Rock lobsters

 

0gp/charm at Waterfiends (Assume, although you gain profit...)

 

 

 

120 charms/hour at Waterfiends

 

0.7x230 = 161/hour

 

 

 

What I have so far. It's messy... let me post a new one and use this one as reference.

 

Waterfiends are a tad off - I havn't tried with void melee\SS, but with z spear and the usual best stuff (super sets, piety, unicorn, fighting as fast as I can etc.), I top out at 103 crimson as the absolulte max per hour, and that was a run where almost every charm was crimson. I usually get around 95-98, but not 120. 2 more strength levels\void melee\SS might help a bit, but I'm not convinced that void melee is good there - I like the prayer bonus from proslyte.

 

 

 

Void melee is supposed to be the absolute best thing here from what I've heard. :-#

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I'm not sure with piety; everyone I met there with void wasn't using piety, and I was outhitting them by far. The prayer bonus from proslyte\nezinot helm seem rather large, and void's max hit is nearly equal. The accuracy boost isn't all that great either, considering your giving up +12 from the barrows gloves.. Obviously its slightly superior offensivewise, but the prayer bonus from my standard outfit makes me think \it would be better.

 

 

 

But with Pros wouldn't you get hit by those mage attacks quite a lot? The upside to Void is that it has wierdly high mage defense and the obvious offensive power. But then again, I'm not much of an expert at Waterfiends.