Revolutionary Summoning training method- Brainstorm

[Zaaps1]

Let me try to understand the math from the Waterfiends/Rock Lobbys you two calculated.

 

 

 

You are weighing the Magic Xp, Summoning Xp, and Hitpoints Xp of Rock Lobsters against the Melee, Summoning, and Hitpoints Xp of Waterfiends? Then you are using that to figure out how much time you save by using Rock Lobsters, and weigh that against the extra cost?

 

 

 

Sounds good to me, when I read it. It was a little confusing though, mind explaining it bit more to this hopeless failure? :-#

[mario_sunny]

Let me try to understand the math from the Waterfiends/Rock Lobbys you two calculated.

 

 

 

You are weighing the Magic Xp, Summoning Xp, and Hitpoints Xp of Rock Lobsters against the Melee, Summoning, and Hitpoints Xp of Waterfiends? Then you are using that to figure out how much time you save by using Rock Lobsters, and weigh that against the extra cost?

 

 

 

Sounds good to me, when I read it. It was a little confusing though, mind explaining it bit more to this hopeless failure? :-#

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure they were basically saying rock lobsters are faster exp, but cost more (obviously), and waterfiends are less exp but cost less. Seems to make sence to me.

[D Jay99]

Let me try to understand the math from the Waterfiends/Rock Lobbys you two calculated.

 

 

 

You are weighing the Magic Xp, Summoning Xp, and Hitpoints Xp of Rock Lobsters against the Melee, Summoning, and Hitpoints Xp of Waterfiends? Then you are using that to figure out how much time you save by using Rock Lobsters, and weigh that against the extra cost?

 

 

 

Sounds good to me, when I read it. It was a little confusing though, mind explaining it bit more to this hopeless failure? :-#

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure they were basically saying rock lobsters are faster exp, but cost more (obviously), and waterfiends are less exp but cost less. Seems to make sence to me.

 

 

 

No, they were trying to calculate how much money/hour you had to make for lobsters to be better. Better means getting the exact same xp in less time.

[compfreak847]

Let me try to understand the math from the Waterfiends/Rock Lobbys you two calculated.

 

 

 

You are weighing the Magic Xp, Summoning Xp, and Hitpoints Xp of Rock Lobsters against the Melee, Summoning, and Hitpoints Xp of Waterfiends? Then you are using that to figure out how much time you save by using Rock Lobsters, and weigh that against the extra cost?

 

 

 

Sounds good to me, when I read it. It was a little confusing though, mind explaining it bit more to this hopeless failure? :-#

 

:shock:

 

A non spam, intelligent post! It's a miracle! (Just kidding)

 

 

 

Yeah, it was kind of confusing when I typed it. Basically, I tried to be as unbiased as possible - I took the XP you get from each method, and using the best method to train each of them, came up with an overall 'xp gain' for each method where the total XP gained from each of them was the same. I left costs and time out, so I ended up with method A giving XP X, taking Y amount of hours and Z amount of GP, and method B giving X XP but taking a different amount of hours and GP. So both methods end up with the same results - a certain amount of XP. The variables are the time and the amount spent. It's the only unbiased way I could think of to do it.

[Perakp]

The situation where you find out some really good training/ money making method before anyone has written a guide about it is very rare. It doesn't mean you were the first one to learn the method, just that others have kept quiet about it. If you want to gain from it, you have to stay quiet too. If you want to be helpful to others, you should post full details to a fansite forum. Then after you've told others about it you can wait it to be ruined by others or nefred by jagex.

 

What would you do?

[compfreak847]

Let me try to understand the math from the Waterfiends/Rock Lobbys you two calculated.

 

 

 

You are weighing the Magic Xp, Summoning Xp, and Hitpoints Xp of Rock Lobsters against the Melee, Summoning, and Hitpoints Xp of Waterfiends? Then you are using that to figure out how much time you save by using Rock Lobsters, and weigh that against the extra cost?

 

 

 

Sounds good to me, when I read it. It was a little confusing though, mind explaining it bit more to this hopeless failure? :-#

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure they were basically saying rock lobsters are faster exp, but cost more (obviously), and waterfiends are less exp but cost less. Seems to make sence to me.

 

 

 

No, they were trying to calculate how much money/hour you had to make for lobsters to be better. Better means getting the exact same xp in less time.

 

The end result was that, but the methods I used to calculate that were the same amount of XP with a different amount of time and cost.

[The_Avatar]

Wow, scandalous. ;)

 

 

 

As it stands I think a new thread should be created for brainstorming a new summoning training method, this ones a whole lot of unneeded personal babble.

[BabyPunchers]

Great thread really. So you need 191k an hour to pay for Rock Lobsters.. Well i'll stick to waterfiends. I think that the reason I and many others will continue doing waterfiends is not because we can't make 191k per hour, it's because we won't. I know that i'm just too lazy to camp at Abby Demons for a whip or make money in any other way. I'd rather just get exp slower and make a small profit at waterfiends.

[Inuashakent]

Great thread really. So you need 191k an hour to pay for Rock Lobsters.. Well i'll stick to waterfiends. I think that the reason I and many others will continue doing waterfiends is not because we can't make 191k per hour, it's because we won't. I know that i'm just too lazy to camp at Abby Demons for a whip or make money in any other way. I'd rather just get exp slower and make a small profit at waterfiends.

 

 

 

Yeah, and we're calculating hugely off the melee:mage xp.

[BabyPunchers]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

[Zaaps1]

Great thread really. So you need 191k an hour to pay for Rock Lobsters.. Well i'll stick to waterfiends. I think that the reason I and many others will continue doing waterfiends is not because we can't make 191k per hour, it's because we won't. I know that i'm just too lazy to camp at Abby Demons for a whip or make money in any other way. I'd rather just get exp slower and make a small profit at waterfiends.

 

 

 

Yes, I think that's the real error in all of these efficiency calculations. Even if you use the most efficient method, if you don't end up spending time to make the money back, it's not worth it. Although, farming/kingdom will yield a bit less than 100k an hour, so you only need to make 91k in your regular training.

 

 

 

I'm taking a break from summoning now, but I will Ice Burst next time I need charms. My magic level is pretty pathetic compared to my melee stats anyway.

 

[hide=Irrelevant]Just as a side note, how does one go about Ice Burst/Barraging Rock Lobsters? Waterbirth Dungeon, I know that. But where, and do you pray or use safespots, what to bring, etc.[/hide]

[compfreak847]

Great thread really. So you need 191k an hour to pay for Rock Lobsters.. Well i'll stick to waterfiends. I think that the reason I and many others will continue doing waterfiends is not because we can't make 191k per hour, it's because we won't. I know that i'm just too lazy to camp at Abby Demons for a whip or make money in any other way. I'd rather just get exp slower and make a small profit at waterfiends.

 

 

 

Yes, I think that's the real error in all of these efficiency calculations. Even if you use the most efficient method, if you don't end up spending time to make the money back, it's not worth it. Although, farming/kingdom will yield a bit less than 100k an hour, so you only need to make 91k in your regular training.

 

 

 

I'm taking a break from summoning now, but I will Ice Burst next time I need charms. My magic level is pretty pathetic compared to my melee stats anyway.

 

[hide=Irrelevant]Just as a side note, how does one go about Ice Burst/Barraging Rock Lobsters? Waterbirth Dungeon, I know that. But where, and do you pray or use safespots, what to bring, etc.[/hide]

 

Except that through merching or whatever, even someone who doesn't have the initiative to make the money can still earn enough in a few minutes per day to make it worth it. 91k an hour though? You could spend 1/5th the time making money... And waterfiends barely breaks even with piety, between the healing scrolls and repair\food\potion costs. Not enough to even make a dent on the 80m or so you spend on the shards\2nds.

[mario_sunny]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

Now on topic: If someone could devote themselves to calculating and testing several of the best known methods today we could find the absolute best one. But then of course, that spot would be crowded, and it would not be the best anymore. Then the second best spot would be chosen, but then it would become crowded. It would all become a cycle between all the best methods, so I don't think one method would really stand out as what we can call 'revoluationary.' Some people on this thread forgot to add the 'crowded' factor.

[Rarex]

Just want to post about "there are no secrets in Runescape" =):

 

 

 

Many of the training spots everyone knows about were once a secret. Spots like: Bandit Camp, Damis Skeletons, Green Dragons, Granite rocks, Monkey Guards (not a secret but wasn't thought of a good training method for a long while) and most recently Monkey Zombies. Though, there still is one great 150k+/hour training spot in p2p. Not many know about it and those that know what it is, think they are horrible.

 

 

 

All of these were once thought to be horrible monkey makers or horrible training spots but now, everyone loves these.

[mario_sunny]

Just want to post about "there are no secrets in Runescape" =):

 

 

 

Many of the training spots everyone knows about were once a secret. Spots like: Bandit Camp, Damis Skeletons, Green Dragons, Granite rocks, Monkey Guards (not a secret but wasn't thought of a good training method for a long while) and most recently Monkey Zombies.

 

 

 

All of these were once thought to be horrible monkey makers or horrible training spots but now, everyone loves these.

 

 

 

They still weren't secrets. I was saying you can't hide methods like that, eventually people find out. And even if they don't care for the method at first, the secret is still discovered.

[BabyPunchers]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may be stupid but I don't know what that is. :-#

[mario_sunny]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may be stupid but I don't know what that is. :-#

 

 

 

What? You aren't Robbin Hood from travian server 7 who happens to have a village named Sherwood forest? Hmph well if you won't admit it maybe I'll just have to send an attack on your town. :P

[BabyPunchers]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may be stupid but I don't know what that is. :-#

 

 

 

What? You aren't Robbin Hood from travian server 7 who happens to have a village named Sherwood forest? Hmph well if you won't admit it maybe I'll just have to send an attack on your town.

 

Ah I looked it up. Travian is some MMORPG. Nope that's not me mate. :-# Great coincidence though.

[mario_sunny]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may be stupid but I don't know what that is. :-#

 

 

 

What? You aren't Robbin Hood from travian server 7 who happens to have a village named Sherwood forest? Hmph well if you won't admit it maybe I'll just have to send an attack on your town.

 

Ah I looked it up. Travian is some MMORPG. Nope that's not me mate. :-# Great coincidence though.

 

 

 

Ah you must be kidding me... that is just too big of a coinsidence. I mean, you just happen to have nearly the same name as him AND have the same village name as in your Location: in your tip.it profile. So you have NO idea how that happened?

 

 

 

Hey if you're not telling the truth it's alright... I'm in your alliance I can't attack you. But I suppose you could be telling the truth.

[BabyPunchers]

Hehe well it is a nice coincidence. But you see, Robin Hoodie is just my love for Robin Hood and my Skeleton hoodie in a name. Sherwood Forest is the "headquarters" of Robin Hood in lore. So it's easy to see why someone named Robbin Hood and Robinhoodie would have a reference to Sherwood.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwood_Forest

[mario_sunny]

Hehe well it is a nice coincidence. But you see, Robin Hoodie is just my love for Robin Hood and my Skeleton hoodie in a name. Sherwood Forest is the "headquarters" of Robin Hood in lore. So it's easy to see why someone named Robbin Hood and Robinhoodie would have a reference to Sherwood.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherwood_Forest

 

 

 

Ack alright I believe you now. Darn you got me all excited! I mean, what are the chances I find someone from a completely different game (and also in my alliance in that game) on tip.it forums who also happens to know one of my friends in runescape as well (Theoknight)? I guess slim.

 

 

 

On topic: Sorry about getting so off topic... now what were we talking about?

[D Jay99]

Ah I get it. Some interesting calculations I'd like to see would be how much money you would make off of Waterfiends from 68-99 Summoning. And then see how many Summoning levels that money would buy.

 

 

 

First off: Hi from travian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may be stupid but I don't know what that is. :-#

 

 

 

What? You aren't Robbin Hood from travian server 7 who happens to have a village named Sherwood forest? Hmph well if you won't admit it maybe I'll just have to send an attack on your town.

 

Ah I looked it up. Travian is some MMORPG. Nope that's not me mate. :-# Great coincidence though.

 

 

 

Ah you must be kidding me... that is just too big of a coinsidence. I mean, you just happen to have nearly the same name as him AND have the same village name as in your Location: in your tip.it profile. So you have NO idea how that happened?

 

 

 

Hey if you're not telling the truth it's alright... I'm in your alliance I can't attack you. But I suppose you could be telling the truth.

 

You guys seriously think there's not more than one guy called something that looks like Robin Hood? Robin Hood is quite a well known figure from a story and he lived in sherwood forest.

 

 

 

I bet there's over 100000 people that have an online account with the name 'Robin Hood' on something that resembles it.

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