Working out topic

[mrpez]

there is nothing wrong with a 50 minute workout. 45-1hour workouts are the most efficient if you work hard.

 

 

 

maybe provide some more detail.

[assassin_696]

Rarex, if you're trying to build muscle and working out properly you shouldn't be able to work out everyday of the week. You really don't seem to be understanding this but rest days are fundamental, so let me give you an analogy. If I do my arms (triceps/biceps) on a Saturday, my triceps will be so sore the next day that I couldn't possibly go and do my chest/back routine because triceps are important with any chest press exercise. When I do my legs, properly, I can barely walk down stairs the next day. I'm not then going to go and do deadlifts with my back because i'd be collapsing after a couple (deadlifts utilise hamstrings). If you can work out every day of the week, and claim to be building mass, you're not doing it properly.

 

 

Your program may help you see results, but you could be getting much better results if you actually took some serious advice and stuck to a proper program.

[BlueLancer]

 

Working out 2 hours a day (zero cardio sutff, just exercises for arm muscles; biceps, triceps, and deltoids) for 5 days a week, DOES get you somewhere. It's a lot better... I can name many examples.. but the primary one, I guess, is that if you work out hard enough, your arms will feel sore for the next 24 hours and if you work even harder, you might be able to move your biceps or triceps WITHOUT moving your arm, hands, or forearm at all. What is so good about feeling sore? Well, it's great to feel sore for 24 hours lol. You have to "have it" to know why.

 

 

 

 

 

So, you do get somewhere. I understand where you're coming from (since that is common belief -.^)

 

 

 

Sleeping is also very important. I once saw a Discovery Channel show that when you sleep, your brain rebuilds and does things :)

 

 

 

What I mean by a hard 2 hour work out is NOT: After you're done with a set of some exercise, you stop and rest for 1-4 minutes (sounds like little but it really adds up), look around, act like you are tired, or start talking to someone else and then do another set of that same exercise or a different one.

 

 

 

I don't like getting personal, but you have been seriously mis-informed (besides the sleep part obviously). For mass building purposes...

 

 

 

- You have to take 30-90 second breaks between high power, low-rep sets, it's an important part of the program (those "jocks" you refer to were probably not 'acting' tired)

 

 

 

- If your muscles are allowing you to work more than 3-4 days a week, you're not building mass at optimal level (or not gaining at all due to improper muscle tissue repairing)

 

 

 

- Feeling sore is no indicator of mass built.. In some cases it can even be bad if you're not in the beginner phase and suddenly start feeling too sore

 

 

 

- If you can actually work out for 2 hours, you're doing 'tone' excercises which has little to do with real working out/bodybuilding, most programs will take from ½ hours to maximum of 1 hour

 

 

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

 

 

 

Been posting there for some 5-6 years now, if you want good advice, a lot of pro's and medical PhD's post there as well, you might be able to obtain valuable info...

[Rarex]

I will "perform" (not on purpose tho) a test on myself to see if resting the whole weekend vs no resting (explained later on). which gives better results

 

 

 

Normal week:

 

monday to friday 2 hour work out each day

 

sat & sunday, 1hr work out ea day @ home

 

 

 

This week

 

worked out monday to thu, no friday.

 

saturday (so far, its 5pm) no work out. looks the same for tomorrow.

 

 

 

On Monday, I will compare my results to my previous monday...

 

 

 

hmm.. right now.. I can notice (view, see) some differences.. -_-

 

 

 

This hasn't been my week. im hoping i can work out today, saturday... :(..

 

 

 

 

- Feeling sore is no indicator of mass built.. In some cases it can even be bad if you're not in the beginner phase and suddenly start feeling too sore

 

 

Weather that is true or not, probably is, whenever I feel sore, it is when I most "feel" my muscles. Therefore, that is enough reason for me to make myself feel it :)

 

 

 

i will see how I look on monday and try to remember the last, previous, monday...

 

 

 

>_>

 

 

 

im loosing inspiration/motivation. looking at bubs bouncing while running (threadmill) isn't giving me inspiration anymore :wall: :wall:

[Rebdragon]

Your going to use one week of working out to test mass gain?

 

 

 

How much mass do you think you gain in a week? There's no frikkin' way to qualitatively analyze that little gain.

 

 

 

And I believe it's been a week and still no pic.

[deloriagod]

 

"a day long break" = sunday & saturday, unless I feel desperate and I can see my little veins popping out, I will do some 1 hr work out for each weekend day..

 

 

 

 

Again, I couldn't handle reading past the first sentence. The ONLY lifting that you're actually benefiting from is the lifting you do on Fridays. The rest of the week is a total waste because you're not letting you muscle repair correctly before you destroy them again. I know I might come off as an [wagon], but I do know what I'm talking about. I don't know who gave you the information you have, but I think they just wanted to [bleep] with you.

 

 

 

deloria, it does work simply because it was worked beautifully for me.

 

 

 

And you have yet to post any pictures of yourself that I have seen. Seems odd that you're so amazingly handsome, ripped, and perfect yet you choose to hide your raw beauty from everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for your little test. You can't test that in a single week. Try doing it over at least a 6 month period with 2 different subjects (with similar body structures). Doing it your way will prove absolutely nothing.

[BlueLancer]

I will "perform" (not on purpose tho) a test on myself to see if resting the whole weekend vs no resting (explained later on). which gives better results

 

 

 

Normal week:

 

monday to friday 2 hour work out each day

 

sat & sunday, 1hr work out ea day @ home

 

 

 

This week

 

worked out monday to thu, no friday.

 

saturday (so far, its 5pm) no work out. looks the same for tomorrow.

 

 

 

On Monday, I will compare my results to my previous monday...

 

 

 

hmm.. right now.. I can notice (view, see) some differences.. -_-

 

 

 

This hasn't been my week. im hoping i can work out today, saturday... :(..

 

 

 

 

- Feeling sore is no indicator of mass built.. In some cases it can even be bad if you're not in the beginner phase and suddenly start feeling too sore

 

 

Weather that is true or not, probably is, whenever I feel sore, it is when I most "feel" my muscles. Therefore, that is enough reason for me to make myself feel it :)

 

 

 

i will see how I look on monday and try to remember the last, previous, monday...

 

 

 

>_>

 

 

 

im loosing inspiration/motivation. looking at bubs bouncing while running (threadmill) isn't giving me inspiration anymore :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

I don't want to jump on some dumb bandwagon to flame you or bring ego in it. If anything, I genuinely hope you make progress at the gym.

 

 

 

But a week of training isn't an indicator of anything. You shouldn't lose motivation or feel down just because you can't see results in a week.

 

 

 

Do you know how much pure muscle mass a beginner/intermediate could put on in 1 year with perfect training and diet? About 10 pounds (5kg) of sheer volume. Which comes down to 96 grams per week. It's absolutely unnoticeable. (as you progress and gain mass it will become harder to put on even 5 pounds a year)

 

 

 

For progress tracking, take a pic of yourself now, and take a pic 6 months later. By losing fat and increasing your muscle mass by 5 pounds you'll already see a difference. Two years down the road you'll see massive change. You don't even have to post those pics; Just for your own comfort and record.

[db300]

I go to the gym every day for two hours, alternating easy and hard days. I always finish by swimming ten 100's (meters). Only about an hour of it is lifting, with the rest being cardio. I don't think I've ever "power lifted", always just a lot of reps. Also, during the day I do random sets of push ups and sit ups. I've usually had problems sticking to a workout routine, but this one seems to work.

 

 

 

My favorite muscles to train are my calves, thighs, and shoulders. :thumbsup:

[mrpez]

i would greatly appreciate it if one of the moderators that frequents this thread could possibly sticky it. (this topic, or create a new one).

 

 

 

a working out topic is a valuable topic to everyone that posts in off-topic. benefits mental and physical health.

[deloriagod]

i would greatly appreciate it if one of the moderators that frequents this thread could possible sticky it. (this topic, or create a new one).

 

 

 

a working out topic is a valuable topic to everyone that posts in off-topic. benefits mental and physical health.

 

 

 

Agreed. Though we need to be sure people are getting good information.

[db300]

is anyone a swimmer here?

 

 

 

if you're looking for a heart-pumping workout that is tough on your upper and lower body, try some 200IMs back-to-back.

 

 

 

to get my heart-pumping i do 5 100m freestyles and try to keep the pace under 30 seconds for each set.

 

 

 

That is similar to what I do, but I'm not that good yet to do 200IM's back to back though. Swimming is fun though, it's a great cardio workout that uses almost all of your muscles, and I personally enjoy it a lot more than running.

[mrpez]

yeah it is. im glad i found someone else on this thread that swims, no matter how good you are. the main reason i prefer swimming to running is that you dont feel the sweat dripping all over you while you swim.

 

 

 

make sure you change your swimming schedule every once in a while or else you might get used to it.

 

 

 

i used to do sets of 1250m, then i changed to 500m, etc.

[Rebdragon]

I go to the gym every day for two hours, alternating easy and hard days. I always finish by swimming ten 100's (meters). Only about an hour of it is lifting, with the rest being cardio. I don't think I've ever "power lifted", always just a lot of reps. Also, during the day I do random sets of push ups and sit ups. I've usually had problems sticking to a workout routine, but this one seems to work.

 

 

 

My favorite muscles to train are my calves, thighs, and shoulders. :thumbsup:

 

Try working out alternitavely, and harder. Do some running and swimming Monday, then lift a bit Tuesday, cardio Wednesday, etc. When lifting go to failure or as close as you are comfortable- that means actually using weights that properly strain you, making the workout last forty-five minutes at most before you can't even move. As has been said, if you aren't dead at the end of it and for pretty much the next twenty four hours, well, you're doing about as much as Micheal Scott in his toning workouts.

 

 

 

Oh, and I'd really recommend training evenly rather than picking "favorite muscles". Sure, it never hurts to have awesome calves compared to the rest of your body, but if you train unevenly you'll notice it when you lift. From personal experience, I've trained my delt's, biceps, lower back, and abdominals more on average than than the other parts of my upper body. As a result I often find myself failing before I can't breathe, simply because my pecs can't push what my shoulders and upper arms can. It just makes things more complicated than they need to be, and creates disportion, which isn't always an appealing physical quality.

[mrpez]

anyone tried incline bench? thats some workout.

 

 

 

great for upper body and pecs. repping on the incline bench made it hell to swim the next day.

[deloriagod]

anyone tried incline bench? thats some workout.

 

 

 

great for upper body and pecs. repping on the incline bench made it hell to swim the next day.

 

 

 

Incline and decline are amazing. Throw in just a regular bench press and you've just blasted your pecks for the day ;)

[Deiophobus]

Pez, I don't remember exactly what we did, because some of the exercises had names I don't remember. But it was basically varying back and forth between cardio on standing bikes (it was raining, otherwise we would have gone running) and exercises of different types (yeah, sorry for so little detail), then core work.

[db300]

Oh, and I'd really recommend training evenly rather than picking "favorite muscles". Sure, it never hurts to have awesome calves compared to the rest of your body, but if you train unevenly you'll notice it when you lift. From personal experience, I've trained my delt's, biceps, lower back, and abdominals more on average than than the other parts of my upper body. As a result I often find myself failing before I can't breathe, simply because my pecs can't push what my shoulders and upper arms can. It just makes things more complicated than they need to be, and creates disportion, which isn't always an appealing physical quality.

 

 

 

Yeah, I know it's important to have an all around work out, I was just stating what I enjoy doing most. My muscles are kind of uneven though, I have weak arms.

 

 

 

Thanks for the advice by the way.

[mrpez]

anyone tried incline bench? thats some workout.

 

 

 

great for upper body and pecs. repping on the incline bench made it hell to swim the next day.

 

 

 

Incline and decline are amazing. Throw in just a regular bench press and you've just blasted your pecks for the day ;)

 

 

 

incline/decline is the greatest way to train pecs. decline focuses on lower pecs while incline focuses more on upper body.

 

 

 

deiphobus (never can get your name right, sorry) try to remember some of the names of the exercises next time so others can provide some advice. or maybe just tell us what you'd like to work on specifically?

[rangeor]

What would you guys say the best way to get a six pack is? I've been doing crunches for about a year and a half now, increasing every night (though sometimes I would forget/not have time..), and I still have nothing. And I recently found out that crunches are bad for getting a six pack, so I switched to doing situps on a decline every day. (i'd do crunches on my floor). Will this work? Or is there something better?

[Rebdragon]

I will burn the eyes of everyone here and bring back sickening, terrible memories for the sake of drilling this point into your heads.

 

 

 

[hide=HANGING LEG LIFTS.][/hide]

 

 

 

Point your toes and hold them for one second each, dammit. None of this woosie flailing crap I see every [other] day at the gym.

[mrpez]

rebdragon you should try holding a 30lb weight between your ankles while doing leglifts. indeed, it is a good workout with or without the weight. also it looks like (if that is you in the picture) that you need to work on your obliques. im sure you know how to already via hanging leg lifts so i wont bother to tell you. unless you dont. then ill tell you.

 

 

 

id also like to reiterate that this topic (or some form of working out topic) should be a sticky for the betterment of humanity. anything else is a crime.

[assassin_696]

What would you guys say the best way to get a six pack is? I've been doing crunches for about a year and a half now, increasing every night (though sometimes I would forget/not have time..), and I still have nothing. And I recently found out that crunches are bad for getting a six pack, so I switched to doing situps on a decline every day. (i'd do crunches on my floor). Will this work? Or is there something better?

 

 

 

Don't just do crunches, if you really want to build ab muscles you've got to find a whole host of exercises that target them. Your abs isn't just one muscle block that you can hit hard like your pecs with the bench press. This article explains what I mean more and gives you something of a decent workout program, but don't feel obliged to stick to it.

 

 

 

I must confess the abs is one muscle group i've probably never really given enough serious attention to. I've never been a flabby kinda guy, so it's always been reasonably defined and i've preferred to focus on "bulking up" my other muscle groups, which is a little hard for the abs. The aesthetic appeal of an obvious six pack has never been something i've really gone after.

[amoeba_009]

My basic chest day is 3sets flat, 3sets incline, 3sets decline. I feel so pumped after that. Then i just blast triceps. Any one got small protips on squats and deadlifts?

[Rebdragon]

rebdragon you should try holding a 30lb weight between your ankles while doing leglifts.

 

You would need some insane abs to do something crazy like that. Even then, I doubt even the people with the strongest abs in the world could even do ten of those before being completely dead.

 

 

 

Now, dips with weights, that's pretty intense.

[deloriagod]

What would you guys say the best way to get a six pack is? I've been doing crunches for about a year and a half now, increasing every night (though sometimes I would forget/not have time..), and I still have nothing. And I recently found out that crunches are bad for getting a six pack, so I switched to doing situps on a decline every day. (i'd do crunches on my floor). Will this work? Or is there something better?

 

 

 

Crunches for a year and a half? Oh trust me, you have some good abs. Problem is, you won't really see them until you get your body fat down to ~12%. So you need a good diet and plenty of cardio to burn off the fat that's covering your beautiful abs ;)