9/11 7 years later

[Zierro]

Technically since we citizens elected all our representatives, members of congress, and our president, we indirectly declared war. I think most of the country backed declaring war when this all happened. Our elected officials represent the population of The United States of America. Personally, they do not represent me, but that's only because I choose to remain apathetic.

 

 

 

Yeah, indirectly. How much weight does that comment hold?

[Range_This11]

 

Yeah, indirectly. How much weight does that comment hold?

 

Haha not much, just thought I'd get you on a technicality :P

[Ginger_Warrior]

You honour the dead by declaring a war in which tens of thousands of innocent people are killed? Damn, I would hate to die in your presence.

 

 

 

Yes, Ginger. We are sympathetic about 9/11, so we citizens declared war. -.-

 

 

 

Possibly your worst post ever.

 

I don't recall saying you personally did, or even that America in general did, before you attempt to bring old personal scores up, Zierro.

 

 

 

I was referring to the video Jack posted, which seems to imply 9/11 is a just cause for the war in Iraq.

 

 

 

For the matter, Bush's approval rating of around 85% when the War on Terror began. Not that that means you chose war directly, but the majority didn't exactly oppose it at the time either.

[Zierro]

First off, in my defense your post was a reply to Jack saying it is nothing but a tribute. Second off, people don't have the power to see into the future. So saying that we declared a pointless war with tons of casualties is just silly. I'm sure no one (in their right mind) would want thousands and thousands of innocent people to die, so I don't see why you would use that against someone. That's putting very negative words into mouths and I don't think that's fair.

[Ginger_Warrior]

First off, in my defense your post was a reply to Jack saying it is nothing but a tribute.

 

That means nothing. His "tribute" had a clear political point to it, which I replied to. One of the qualities I have always held true to is honesty. If you don't like my honest opinion, that really isn't my problem, and it doesn't make my post bad.

 

 

 

Second off, people don't have the power to see into the future. So saying that we declared a pointless war with tons of casualties is just silly. I'm sure no one (in their right mind) would want thousands and thousands of innocent people to die, so I don't see why you would use that against someone.That's putting very negative words into mouths and I don't think that's fair.

 

It was clear to anyone using rational thinking at the time that a war equates to innocent people dying. War always does.

 

 

 

It was also clear Iraq would not be as easy a problem to deal with as Afghanistan, and that war would last longer as a result. The fact the number of casualties ended up thousands is neither here nor there. Of course no one wants people to die, but that's the stone-cold reality of war.

 

 

 

Innocent people are dying in Iraq as a result of our occupation there, on a massive scale, and the only validation the US government, along with people who follow purely pro-American agendas can come with is the 9/11 attacks, with the constant implication that we are never totally safe from the threat of terrorism (when in reality, I'm more likely to die from cancer than a terrorist attack).

 

 

 

It annoys me that people would use the deaths of innocent people as a justification for a war in which more innocent people are killed, even if only inadvertently. I have total sympathy for those who were affected, and I actually do pay my respects on 9/11 each year, but the OP claiming he was "upset" 9/11 isn't topic-worthy seven years after it happened is over the top.

[Zierro]

That means nothing.

 

 

 

So you don't accept my apology? Maybe you misunderstood. I'm not pro-war at all. I just got pissed when I saw you say, "You honour the dead by declaring a war in which tens of thousands of innocent people are killed? Damn, I would hate to die in your presence."

[Shazarabbit]

This is a disastrous event that occurred several years ago. However having said that due to the fact this is still even after all this time a controversial topic, You all need to remember that; We all have different opinions, we should all respect each other for voicing these opinions.

 

 

 

Remember that just because one may disagree with it's posting does not make them any less of a person. We all see things differently. But we all live in this world we should make the best of it. Any further flaming will result in this topic being closed. Bufoman is merely asking how everyone feels about the incident now but it seems many have strayed off topic (or not even read the first post) and just jumped straight to conclusions.

 

 

 

As for my opinion, I think continuously reminding people of this event is holding America back. Yes it was disastrous, Yes it should not have happened but you cannot change it. You can remember the ones we lost, but from what i see many people are just losing themselves deeper in this tragedy.

 

 

 

For me I remember watching the planes hit, the night (Australian Eastern Standard Time) I was violently ill, i had dreams of planes crashing all that night. When i got up for the seventh time in five hours, I found my mother watching television and there infront of my very eyes i saw the second plane crash in the second tower, I also remember the Fox News presenter shouting out obscenities at the shock of this, I also remember watching the towers fall and crying because I felt great sadness for those who lost their lives, those who lost loved ones and those who were running for their lives.

 

 

 

As of now it scares me that there are people who wish to cause this destruction on their fellow man. But I go on, with the hope that things will change, and they will. It will only take time.

[warri0r45]

Damn. I don't know whether to thank you or what, Jack. That video of the 3 men trapped at the top of WTC2 on the phone to 911 is absolutely chilling.

[xSxqPowerx]

Should I refrain from posting some of 4chan's 9/11 pictures, then?

[Zygimantas]

Should I refrain from posting some of 4chan's 9/11 pictures, then?

please don't.. i'm eating :|

[dangeresque]

As for my opinion, I think continuously reminding people of this event is holding America back.

 

 

 

Erm, America is "moving on." So they hold commemorations and what-not on 9/11, as they should, but it's not like our whole nation stops on that day by any means. People go to work, kids go to school, retired people sit on their couch all day, everything is normal, except we give time to remember.

 

 

 

Personally, I think 9/11 should never be forgotten, not only for those who died, but also as a good lesson for our nation, and the world for that matter.

 

Yw

 

 

 

Also, a new documentary came out that is completely amatuer footage of the event called "102 minutes that changed America", It pwned so hard.

[Ouchy]

I was talking about this with my dad the other day. We both agreed that this could be the last year that services will be held for it, as construction has already started on the new building. However, I hope that this is not the case. A tragedy such as this should not be forgotten. Think about how the Widows, and family would feel if they stopped doing it.

[fgfuyfyuiuy0]

I'll just leave this here

 

 

 

 

 

9/11 still confuzzles me. So much has happened since then and the whole debate as whether it was a government plan or actually an act of terrorism is still a hot topic after 7 years. Glad I will be leaving the U.S and living in Canada or the U.K come the end of my college years.

[dangeresque]

I was talking about this with my dad the other day. We both agreed that this could be the last year that services will be held for it, as construction has already started on the new building. However, I hope that this is not the case. A tragedy such as this should not be forgotten. Think about how the Widows, and family would feel if they stopped doing it.

 

 

 

One of the buildings is in memorial of the attacks I think.

[Deiophobus]

I'll just leave this here

 

 

 

 

 

9/11 still confuzzles me. So much has happened since then and the whole debate as whether it was a government plan or actually an act of terrorism is still a hot topic after 7 years. Glad I will be leaving the U.S and living in Canada or the U.K come the end of my college years.

 

 

 

I plan to do that too, a British passport comes in handy sometimes :P

[user1991]

I'll just leave this here

 

 

 

 

 

9/11 still confuzzles me. So much has happened since then and the whole debate as whether it was a government plan or actually an act of terrorism is still a hot topic after 7 years. Glad I will be leaving the U.S and living in Canada or the U.K come the end of my college years.

 

 

 

Don't come to the UK.

 

 

 

Sure, we don't have the such a strong evangelical Christian presence, but our political system is nearly as messed up as yours, if not just as.. Our PM now is terrible, he wasn't elected, his policies are laughable, pretty much all he does is bring in new laws to try and win votes from select demographics because he knows he has lost and he knows it's the only way he'll be able to attain support - but by doing this, he's messing up the country even more.

 

 

 

The sad thing is, the conservatives are likely going to get into power, it isn't definite but its likely, and with our first past the post voting system only labour and the conservatives have a real chance of winning. Both parties are terrible, and whilst our population may not be as open to war as yours in the US, I still think that if the government produced "evidence" of a so called "threat", we would go to war in a heartbeat. The government still side step on every major issue, war on terror, drugs, etc, and refuse to actually acknowledge any alternative ways of helping society.

 

 

 

Canada is a better option.

[jackattack]

You honour the dead by declaring a war in which tens of thousands of innocent people are killed? Damn, I would hate to die in your presence.

 

 

 

Yes, Ginger. We are sympathetic about 9/11, so we citizens declared war. -.-

 

 

 

Possibly your worst post ever.

 

I don't recall saying you personally did, or even that America in general did, before you attempt to bring old personal scores up, Zierro.

 

 

 

I was referring to the video Jack posted, which seems to imply 9/11 is a just cause for the war in Iraq.

 

 

 

For the matter, Bush's approval rating of around 85% when the War on Terror began. Not that that means you chose war directly, but the majority didn't exactly oppose it at the time either.

 

 

 

I know it talks about the war a little bit but it the song was written before Iraq and it explicitly says it is about Afghanistan. If there were pictures of Saddam mixed in there with Bin Laden you would have a point. And don't make this about the war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Todd Beamer. Bay Area native who lead the charge into the cockpit of Flight 93. Before they made there move an operator who was still on the line heard him speak his immortal last words. "Lets Roll"

 

 

 

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The lights never should have come down.

 

 

 

Damn. I don't know whether to thank you or what, Jack. That video of the 3 men trapped at the top of WTC2 on the phone to 911 is absolutely chilling.

 

 

 

When the building falls the scream is just terrifying.

[Range_This11]

 

Todd Beamer. Bay Area native who lead the charge into the cockpit of Flight 93. Before they made there move an operator who was still on the line heard him speak his immortal last words. "Lets Roll"

 

 

Ok really, these sudo-patriotic bits you're posting are getting quite annoying. Everyone knows the "story" of 9/11 and all of the heroic acts that *apparently* happened. I don't believe any of those phone calls were real from the planes, and I also don't believe the planes other than the WTC were terrorist controlled.

[jackattack]

So you believe the government was working in tandem with Al Qaida to pull off a combo terrorist attack/government conspiracy? It's almost stupid enough to be true. And you spelled pseudo wrong, but I used the wrong there so we are even.

 

 

 

To unspam.

[Range_This11]

So you believe the government was working in tandem with Al Qaida to pull off a combo terrorist attack/government conspiracy? It's almost stupid enough to be true. And you spelled pseudo wrong, but I used the wrong there so we are even.

 

First of all, way to correct my first spelling mistake in probably over a year on here. I suppose that I'll keep correcting you on your ever increasing moronic logic if you take care of my spell-check duties in the near future. Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

But to the main point of this, I do not believe the government worked with anyone on this. Anyone with some scientific background and minimal observational skills can tell that the "plane" that crashed into the Pentagon was definitely NOT a plane. Like stated in the Alex Jones movies, all the government has to do to get me on their side is release pictures with the actual plane in the picture instead of just a few explosion pictures. By the way, I think Alex Jones is quite moronic (ironically he reminds me a lot of you) in his documentary and I don't believe half the things that are said in it. But if you step back from the whole situation and instead of looking at the tragedy and heroic pictures the government is painting for us, you look at the aftermath and all the things that have fallen into place because of it, you'll understand. I guess I can't say anything else besides that. Maybe witnessing the government lying to us for almost the entire last century makes me skeptical of believing anything they tell me.

[jackattack]

Kent State and Bloody Sunday have nothing to do with 9/11.

 

 

 

So you believe the government was working in tandem with Al Qaida to pull off a combo terrorist attack/government conspiracy? It's almost stupid enough to be true. And you spelled pseudo wrong, but I used the wrong there so we are even.

 

First of all, way to correct my first spelling mistake in probably over a year on here. I suppose that I'll keep correcting you on your ever increasing moronic logic if you take care of my spell-check duties in the near future. Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

But to the main point of this, I do not believe the government worked with anyone on this. Anyone with some scientific background and minimal observational skills can tell that the "plane" that crashed into the Pentagon was definitely NOT a plane. Like stated in the Alex Jones movies, all the government has to do to get me on their side is release pictures with the actual plane in the picture instead of just a few explosion pictures. By the way, I think Alex Jones is quite moronic (ironically he reminds me a lot of you) in his documentary and I don't believe half the things that are said in it. But if you step back from the whole situation and instead of looking at the tragedy and heroic pictures the government is painting for us, you look at the aftermath and all the things that have fallen into place because of it, you'll understand. I guess I can't say anything else besides that. Maybe witnessing the government lying to us for almost the entire last century makes me skeptical of believing anything they tell me.

 

 

 

Yes. I'm the one using moronic logic and you think the government attacked it's own building but the world trade center was still terrorists. Genius.

 

 

 

OT since the victims at the Pentagon are the forgotten ones...

[ChaosFlames]

..Wow, and to think it all happened 7 years ago. It feels kind of like yesterday,(okay not yesterday, but not long ago) It was a normal day of school. Once the towers were hit, and everyone was sent home all i remember was thinking "cool no school lololol". Then around 7-8 hours later, I went to the top of my hill and looked out over NY. I could STILL see the smoke pouring out of what was left of the buildings, and I stopped to think "Whoa..maybe this is more serious than i thought." I wont ever forget that moment.

 

 

 

Anyways, God bless all those who died, and/or lost family members in that tragic event.

 

 

 

Edit: I was in 3rd grade when it happened >_>

[Range_This11]

Yes. I'm the one using moronic logic and you think the government attacked it's own building but the world trade center was still terrorists. Genius.

 

Well it seems to me that since Bush in the pockets of most of the major oil companies, he'd have a great reason to plan this. Oil prices soar, oil companies make record profits, and Bush and his criminal friends profit from the oil companies' success.

 

 

 

There are things about the towers collapsing that are still fishy to me, but at least we have evidence that planes actually hit them. Then again it wouldn't be the first time the country killed its own civilians to support a personal agenda. After 9/11 we relinquished some of the freedoms we had in exchange for the illusion of security, when in reality, we are no more secure than we were pre-9/11. Maybe if you took off the red, white, and blue glasses you seem to be looking through, you MIGHT see some of the atrocities that are happening in this country, and maybe that might make you think about the government a little differently.

 

 

 

Edit: So I watched like 30 seconds of that video for kicks and they put a picture of Jesus crying in there? Come on...

[jackattack]

How is the President in the pockets of oil companies? It's been illegal for oil companies to contribute to candidates for almost 100 years. And you think they planned 9/11 just so they could look at people library records(which to my knowledge they have only done once to an actual terrorist) or listen in when people call members of Al Qaida overseas? Say that out loud. If you still believe that I have some lovely oceanfront property in Arizona you might want to have a look at. There aren't atrocities happening and Bush doesn't gain anything from higher gas prices. Not to mention that there were witnesses who saw the plane, and that they have identified all but two of the victims with DNA testing.

 

 

 

OT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_man

[Range_This11]

How is the President in the pockets of oil companies? It's been illegal for oil companies to contribute to candidates for almost 100 years. And you think they planned 9/11 just so they could look at people library records(which to my knowledge they have only done once to an actual terrorist) or listen in when people call members of Al Qaida overseas? Say that out loud. If you still believe that I have some lovely oceanfront property in Arizona you might want to have a look at. There aren't atrocities happening and Bush doesn't gain anything from higher gas prices. Not to mention that there were witnesses who saw the plane, and that they have identified all but two of the victims with DNA testing.

 

Are you sure that those two examples are the only things that have happened since 9/11? I love your factual evidence that is put behind them as well. Maybe if you understood the constitution a little better, you'd see why those are atrocities. I've said it before, but I don't care if someone is suspected of terrorism or not, if they are a citizen of the United States, they deserve to be backed by the constitution in their private matters. Yet since 9/11, the government has taken that away from them. What about the suspension of Habeas Corpus? In other words, the government can hold suspected terrorists, without trial, for as long as they desire in captivity. Oh yeah and I forgot one other thing: They don't get lawyers either. Sounds like the table is tilted just a little bit, don't you think? I think that if you really try hard, you can see where these actions are going, but I doubt you're willing to think outside of the box. Those red, white, and blue blinders you have on seem to fit you pretty well.

 

 

 

Here's a little reading material for you.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200409/s1195161.htm

 

Imagine how many more could be out there that they have illegally detained.