*facepalm*

 

 

 

nobody has made an ontopic reply yet..

 

 

 

Did you really expect to get a bunch of replies talking about alien sightings from today? Seriously kid, you have no idea how Off Topic works :roll:

Aliens don't exist.

 

Chances are, they do exist. Just not here.

 

Chances are, they don't. Y Guy is correct.

 

Got anything to support that assertion?

 

 

 

Given the immensity of the multiverse, it would be irrational to believe that Earth is the only planet which can bear life. :lol:

 

 

 

Yes, I agree. Considering there's got to be hundreds of billions of stars and even more planets, who knows might be there. In fact, there is actually a possibility aliens have visited Earth. As, on those worlds, there could be different elements to build spacecraft, and the aliens could possibly not need oxygen like we so much need ourselves.

The probability that aliens exist is very high, but the probability that they would come to earth is extremely low.

 

 

 

Its just conspiracy-hungry fakers, or idiots that swore to have seen aliens.

Also, 100% no offense meant, but sometimes americans seem like their ego is bigger than the moon.. Why out of all 200+ countries of the world, aliens are always supposed to visit USA? Probably not a coincidence that USA likely has the biggest number of tinfoil-hat nutjobs who propagate those theories, compared to any other country. Hence it has the most UFO "sightings" and people who claim they were abducted in the middle of the night.

 

China has massive amounts of sightings. Chinese scientists claimed to have found a mass burial site for aliens in the eighties. Dunno what you're talking about. However, they would probably visit the U.S, Europe, or Japan, simply because of the amount of lights, which means life.

 

 

 

Anyways. None here.

 

 

 

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In fact, it is very likely that there is a planet just like earth with a species that are just like humans, and only 1 thing in its history is different.

 

Now you're getting into the multi-worlds theory, something I've given some thought to. It says that there are billions of universes coexisting inside of each other, but every choice or other little thing can change the history of one and split it in two - like a cell dividing. I believe it states that atoms, being so small, yet so large (you understand, I believe?), allow other atoms to nestle inside of those. First come up with by a guy who was tired of deja vu, I believe.

Aliens don't exist.

 

Chances are, they do exist. Just not here.

 

Chances are, they don't. Y Guy is correct.

 

Got anything to support that assertion?

 

 

 

Given the immensity of the multiverse, it would be irrational to believe that Earth is the only planet which can bear life. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

You have no proof to back up your theory, and niether do I. So lets move on, since a debate will most liekly turn into a flame war.

Aliens don't exist.

 

Chances are, they do exist. Just not here.

 

 

 

i'm just asking if anyone has claimed to have seen aliens today yet..

 

Sorry, no aliens today. What makes these three days any different?

 

 

 

 

 

Chances are, they don't. Y Guy is correct.

 

 

 

Sorry Saru but "God" (big magical all knowing force) is just as believable as a other worldly being :| , you were just brought up to believe in only one.

 

 

 

Ain't seen any aliens, I'll report back if I do. What's the prophets claims based on? My guess he's just looking for his 15 mins of fame like every other insane prophet.

 

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In fact, it is very likely that there is a planet just like earth with a species that are just like humans, and only 1 thing in its history is different.

 

Now you're getting into the multi-worlds theory, something I've given some thought to. It says that there are billions of universes coexisting inside of each other, but every choice or other little thing can change the history of one and split it in two - like a cell dividing. I believe it states that atoms, being so small, yet so large (you understand, I believe?), allow other atoms to nestle inside of those. First come up with by a guy who was tired of deja vu, I believe.

 

I think he's just saying that the possibility that another planet existing exactly like earth is far more likely than the possibility that there are other lifeforms in the entire universe.

 

 

 

And is this the guy you're talking about?

 

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Aliens don't exist.

 

Chances are, they do exist. Just not here.

 

 

 

i'm just asking if anyone has claimed to have seen aliens today yet..

 

Sorry, no aliens today. What makes these three days any different?

 

 

 

 

 

Chances are, they don't. Y Guy is correct.

 

 

 

Sorry Saru but "God" (big magical all knowing force) is just as believable as a other worldly being :| , you were just brought up to believe in only one.

 

 

 

Ain't seen any aliens, I'll report back if I do. What's the prophets claims based on? My guess he's just looking for his 15 mins of fame like every other insane prophet.

 

 

 

Read the post above you. ;)

 

Also, I was also trying to show him, that niether of us are sure. (I mean, I am, but you guys like to disregard any evidence I bring up XD)

 

 

 

And also, I wasn't brought up to believe anything. I was raised in a Christian household, but found God on my own, and believe in him ,not because of my parents, but because of me.

 

 

 

But that's just plain off-topic.

 

 

 

 

 

I remember seeing a show about alien conspirators. It made me lolol (lol out loud).

 

 

 

That youtube vid is why people think Christians are illogical idiots.

Well, sorry if the subject has been changed, but I don't really have enough time to read all the posts.

 

 

 

I haven't seen any aliens/UFOs in Las Vegas, and I live here.

 

 

 

And on the question, yes I believe in aliens.

 

 

 

I think it's incredibly ignorant and selfish to think we're the only intelligent beings in this vast universe.

Augh, don't [bleep]ing bring religion into this.

 

 

 

I think it's incredibly ignorant and selfish to think we're the only intelligent beings in this vast universe.

 

Ignorant, yes. Selfish, no. The aliens' feelings won't be hurt.

Augh, don't [bleep] bring religion into this.

 

 

 

I think it's incredibly ignorant and selfish to think we're the only intelligent beings in this vast universe.

 

Ignorant, yes. Selfish, no. The aliens' feelings won't be hurt.

 

 

 

Okay, maybe I should say egotistical, to say that there are no intelligent alien beings is like saying we own the universe, which could be selfish/egotistical.

We should own the universe. If there eds up intergalactic travel, with aliens and whatnot, I doubt we'll all coexist in peace. We need to kick some gelatinous, nineteen-legged, assless [wagon]!

They should come to Australia. That way we can trade our boomerangs for their flying saucers. That'd be sweet.

Got anything to support that assertion?

 

 

 

Given the immensity of the multiverse, it would be irrational to believe that Earth is the only planet which can bear life. :lol:

 

 

 

Can't we just say the burden of proof is on you?

No, of course your not going to see anything about the UFO sightings in the news, we'd rather have people tell us that Obama blinked 3 times in a row today while getting on his plane. Will this have any effect on the presidential elections? Stay tuned to find out.

I don't see why people don't believe in aliens. I'm not saying to believe in naked, big headed, green guys, with 3 eyes but do you guys seriously think that there isn't another planet out there that can support life like on Earth? Don't get me wrong it'll probably be millenniums before we make alien contact. Weather the aliens are more humans, dogs, or big headed green guys there just has to be another planet that can support life

yes i believe in aliens. not that they have to have technology or anything significant because Hollywood said so. i doubt they will visit us now unless we can find a way to track down alien life without disturbing the hostile ones :mrgreen: .

Can't we just say the burden of proof is on you?

 

The burden of proof lies on those who claim that a particular feature of our Solar System leads to the Earth being the only planet in the entire universe on which life can form.

 

 

 

Unlike Saruman44 and Y_Guy, I am making no positive assertion on the (non-)existence of aliens. I am simply suggesting that, given the current evidence, there is no reason to suspect that life can only originate on this planet, and therefore it is more rational to believe in the existence of alien life. ;)

I don't see why people don't believe in aliens. I'm not saying to believe in naked, big headed, green guys, with 3 eyes but do you guys seriously think that there isn't another planet out there that can support life like on Earth? Don't get me wrong it'll probably be millenniums before we make alien contact. Weather the aliens are more humans, dogs, or big headed green guys there just has to be another planet that can support life

 

 

 

Going by strict logic and laws of probability, even though I don't believe in paranormal/supernatural/outworldly stuff, it would be ignorant to think there isn't any intelligent life in the vast universe besides our tiny little planet. It's almost inevitable given the amount of existing stars/planets/stellar systems

 

 

 

The topic question, though, was basically "have you seen any lately". There's no verifiable evidence in existence that other assumed life forms have ever visited Earth (grainy youtube videos don't count as proof), it would be kind of absurd to think they suddenly become visible in Oct 14-17, just another 'scam'..

 

 

 

Prof. Stephen Hawking has written a very interesting (though lenghty) study/essay on the forming of life in the universe, you can read it http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/life.html

 

 

 

The fact that several pulsars are observed to have planets suggests that a reasonable fraction of the hundred billion stars in our galaxy may also have planets. The necessary planetary conditions for our form of life may therefore have existed from about four billion years after the Big Bang.

 

 

 

One possibility is that the formation of something like DNA, which could reproduce itself, is extremely unlikely. However, in a universe with a very large, or infinite, number of stars, one would expect it to occur in a few stellar systems, but they would be very widely separated. The fact that life happened to occur on Earth, is not however surprising or unlikely. It is just an application of the Weak Anthropic Principle: if life had appeared instead on another planet, we would be asking why it had occurred there.

What makes Oct 14-17 so special? Am I missing something?

 

 

 

Anyway, the thread owner seems to want this thread to be strictly on these dates. I can tell you now, it will not happen. There is very limited discussion for the three day event, and the thread would die quickly if it simply ended on the 18th with "nothing happened. End of discussion". You should be glad you're thread is successful, usually threads like this end in stupid youtube clips and back and forth "aliens are fake. No, they're real. no, they're fake".

 

 

 

Ans as others have said, I have to agree that the sheer number of bodies in the universe just makes it practically impossible that none of them can support life. And who knows, they're not necessarily carbon and oxygen based like we are. Maybe somewhere there are creatures based mainly on.. oh I don't know... lead? Sulfur? I'm no science expert, but it still seems impractical that so many planets are out there and none can support life, even if they don't follow the same parts of living things as we do. There was some movie where aliens invaded that were nitrogen based. Was pretty cool.

The burden of proof lies on those who claim that a particular feature of our Solar System leads to the Earth being the only planet in the entire universe on which life can form.

 

 

 

Unlike Saruman44 and Y_Guy, I am making no positive assertion on the (non-)existence of aliens. I am simply suggesting that, given the current evidence, there is no reason to suspect that life can only originate on this planet, and therefore it is more rational to believe in the existence of alien life. ;)

 

 

 

Am I the only one who sees the two-way streets of these "burdens of proof"?

Am I the only one who sees the two-way streets of these "burdens of proof"?

 

It's not my job to prove to you that God doesn't exist, or that Bush isn't actually a reptile, or that there isn't some unseen feature of our Solar System that makes Earth the only planet in the universe that can bear life. The burden of proof lies on those making these assertions.

 

 

 

"If I were to suggest that ... there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense." - Russell's Teapot

But since when is saying aliens exist not a positive assertion, Venomai?

 

 

 

But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.

 

 

 

This is exactly what you are doing.

 

 

 

I'm not saying I don't believe in aliens. It just sounds like you're contradicting your own beliefs.

But since when is saying aliens exist not a positive assertion, Venomai?

 

Say that somebody claims Earth is the only planet in the universe that can hold liquid water. In such a situation, the burden of proof rightly lies on the person making the assertion. Attempting to shift the burden of proof would be a logical fallacy.

 

 

 

We assume that liquid water exists elsewhere in the universe because we see no reason to suspect that the Earth is unique in bearing water.

 

 

 

A similar situation is happening here. Y_Guy and Saruman are claiming that Earth is the only planet in the universe that can bear life. They are making the assertion, and thus the burden of proof lies on them.

 

 

 

It must be realized that the existence of aliens is a logical result of accepting that the Earth is not unique in bearing life. Likewise, the existence of liquid water outside of Earth is a logical result of accepting that Earth is not unique in bearing water.

 

 

 

But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.

 

 

 

This is exactly what you are doing.

 

Although we assume that life, as well as liquid water, is not unique to Earth, we are not making an assertion that cannot be disproved.

 

 

 

On the other hand, claiming an unknown and unseen feature of Earth makes it unique in bearing life and/or water is an assertion that cannot be disproved.

By Aliens do they, by any chance, mean foreign illegal immigrants? If so then it's quite likely they've been spotted in america. If they mean the little green men from Mars... Then they should get their coats...