Non-pkers on PVP

[josh181830]

After realizing that there wasn't really a point to pk the old fashion way (one on one, or what not), since I generally end up losing more than I gain, I have decided to attack the people who skill on a pvp world. Although I bet that some of you will say that I am not "morale", I guess that's true, but a pvp world is a pvp world.

 

 

 

So I have my main in edgeville, log onto him, take a look around the yew trees (generally where the cutters are), I saw no one his lv, but I did see 3 lv 20-30's. Then I logged onto one of my pures (lv 30), whom I haven't pked with since the last wildy. I realized I didn't have worthy pking equipment, so I just used steel arrows. It went pretty well as I killed 2/3 of them, all trash-talking me. The 3rd lv 26 is at bank, and he puts on his "pking" equipment and starts bragging about how he can easily kill lv 30's without food. I ask him to fight, he calls me a noob (man.. I hate this word..) and then says some more trash. A few minutes later, one of the lv 20's that I had killed earlier came back to edgeville and started trash-talking (I hate this too).

 

 

 

Why can't anyone realize that pvp worlds are for pvp...? Sure, they might have less people on the trees, but if they're gonna cut them, they know that they're running the risk of being attacked. I want to turn my private off, but I'm also paranoid of missing out on some valuable information or what not... :wall:

[Alg]

I'd think you should PK them anyway, they know what they're risking, trash talking and threats aren't going to change the fact that they're out there with a chance to be killed.

[josh181830]

I'd think you should PK them anyway, they know what they're risking, trash talking and threats aren't going to change the fact that they're out there with a chance to be killed.

 

 

 

I do pk them... and I got more loot than I've ever gotten on the pvp worlds, which I find quite awkward..

[FrostyGrunt]

I have to agree that attacking skillers on a PVP world is somewhat shameful, it gives off the impression that you're either too scared or too weak to fight an armed opponent. However even though I say that I do acknowledge that PVP worlds are primarily for player killing, so if someone chooses to skill in a PVP world they are willingly exposing themselves to that danger, and if they are attacked and killed they can blame no one but themselves. Not even their attackers cowardice. :roll:

[josh181830]

I have to agree that attacking skillers on a PVP world is somewhat shameful, it gives off the impression that you're either too scared or too weak to fight an armed opponent. However even though I say that I do acknowledge that PVP worlds are primarily for player killing, so if someone chooses to skill in a PVP world they are willingly exposing themselves to that danger, and if they are attacked and killed they can blame no one but themselves. Not even their attackers cowardice. :roll:

 

 

 

Of course it's shameful, but if you fight a well-prepared opponent on f2p, I can guarantee that they'll run, and you end up wasting food/equipment...

[fenrir321]

I have to agree that attacking skillers on a PVP world is somewhat shameful, it gives off the impression that you're either too scared or too weak to fight an armed opponent. However even though I say that I do acknowledge that PVP worlds are primarily for player killing, so if someone chooses to skill in a PVP world they are willingly exposing themselves to that danger, and if they are attacked and killed they can blame no one but themselves. Not even their attackers cowardice. :roll:

 

Read about the term "Real Politik" and you'll understand why attacking skillers should be more widespread.

 

Of course, it depends on the goal.

 

If you want fun and thrill, killing an unarmed opponent won't do that.

 

If you want rewards and can't do it while killing armed opponents, then kill skillers.

 

It's quite simple really. Is it "moral" to do what the world is meant for? Why SHOULD someone spare a skiller? Last time I checked, you can get some good cash off of mage tree cutters...

 

Who really cares that these people would trash talk? Those people don't know you and won't know you ever most likely.

 

It's a game. They take a risk by entering a pvp world. I'm sure that Jagex would say that expected not to be attacked on a pvp world is expecting to get a dragon chainbody from a dust devil. It's possible but highly unlikely. Of course, you said just that in the last half of your post, but I just wanted to restate it \

 

If we lived in a world without politics, the world would be so much nicer, but then we wouldn't be human :lol:

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I have to agree that attacking skillers on a PVP world is somewhat shameful, it gives off the impression that you're either too scared or too weak to fight an armed opponent. However even though I say that I do acknowledge that PVP worlds are primarily for player killing, so if someone chooses to skill in a PVP world they are willingly exposing themselves to that danger, and if they are attacked and killed they can blame no one but themselves. Not even their attackers cowardice. :roll:

 

What? Shameful? I don't think so -- if they're on a PvP world, they're fair game, no matter what they're doing. Being attacked by someone if you're skilling there isn't really cowardice, since the person NOT doing PvP is well aware of the dangers.

 

 

 

Anyway, it's their fault that they so happened to be on a PvP server. All excuses go to the incinerator after that.

[legilgalad2]

I have to agree that every player on PvP world are fair game pkers or skillers alike. People who complain otherwise are just like those peole who advocated the 'honour code' of the old wilderness. The place is supposed to be lawless and high risk with people using unorthodox and 'questionable' tactics making it so much the more interesting. Knd of like in real life

[Yomyth105]

pk them, why not?

[Moad14]

I deliberately skill on PvP worlds for the thrill of getting jumped by a clan. I would consider attacking skillers very rude, but it keeps me entertained. :

[The_Maddest]

I deliberately skill on PvP worlds for the thrill of getting jumped by a clan. I would consider attacking skillers very rude, but it keeps me entertained. :

 

I wouldn't consider there to be a thrill in being bound to the floor and kissing it within the same 3 seconds to be honest.

[Mystik01]

As a skiller, i do believe that if they play in a pvp world, they deserve to die. Please kill all the pvp skillers.. =)

[FrostyGrunt]

Most peope here seem to be all for killing them, but why? There are little to no incentives. There's no thrill or sense of accomplisment killing an unarmed skiller, nor is there much profit to be had. The drops you get from PKing also depend on what your opponent has on them, so most likely you will get even worse drops than you do fighting someone who is semi-prepared.

 

 

 

Also most skillers do their thing near banks, so if attacked they can easily turn on a protect prayer, run inside and hope they live out the ten seconds and if they have decent stats, they will. And if you use freeze or bind spells so what? You're going to get a crappy drop anyway, so it's not worth the money.

 

 

 

No thrill, no skill, no profit. So why? All it does is make you look like a noob/jerk to anyone who has a sense of chivalry. No offense, I don't want to start a flame war (and anyone who attempts it will be duely ignored) but that's just how some people view it. And for the record I never agreed or supported the old "Wild Honor Code", I think it's perfectly fine to use any means necessary to defeat a mutually combative opponent, that includes just wearing armour or weapons.

 

 

 

P.S. - Anyone who says they get better drops killing skillers is obviously lying or exaggerating, read the PVP update details on the RS homepage. What your opponent has on them is factored into the drop table; GF.

[josh181830]

Most peope here seem to be all for killing them, but why? There are little to no incentives. There's no thrill or sense of accomplisment killing an unarmed skiller, nor is there much profit to be had. The drops you get from PKing also depend on what your opponent has on them, so most likely you will get even worse drops than you do fighting someone who is semi-prepared.

 

 

 

Also most skillers do their thing near banks, so if attacked they can easily turn on a protect prayer, run inside and hope they live out the ten seconds and if they have decent stats, they will. And if you use freeze or bind spells so what? You're going to get a crappy drop anyway, so it's not worth the money.

 

 

 

No thrill, no skill, no profit. So why? All it does is make you look like a noob/jerk to anyone who has a sense of chivalry. No offense, I don't want to start a flame war (and anyone who attempts it will be duely ignored) but that's just how some people view it. And for the record I never agreed or supported the old "Wild Honor Code", I think it's perfectly fine to use any means necessary to defeat a mutually combative opponent, that includes just wearing armour or weapons.

 

 

 

Uh, I disagree with you on a lot. From my experiences in the pvp worlds, I have killed a total of 3 (I think, I know it's not a lot, I'm a noob; sorry) skillers, all at edgeville yews. I have killed 1 with my main (lv 90, using a rune skimmy), and the other 2 on my lv 30 range/mage hybrid (using steel arrows). Sure, I got trash from the one that I killed with my main, but on my hybrid, I actually got a def/str amulet from each. I know this may not seem much "profit", but losing about 10 steel arrows max, I believe that I have profited.

 

 

 

 

P.S. - Anyone who says they get better drops killing skillers is obviously lying or exaggerating, read the PVP update details on the RS homepage. What your opponent has on them is factored into the drop table; GF.

 

 

 

I disagree with that also. Sure it's obvious that you can possibly hit the gold, and get something that's worth some money, but what are the chances of KO-ing someone that's lv 80-100 in f2p? I can see that if you pk with a team, killing skillers is pointless, but I usually "pk" solo. Attacking someone who's fully prepared, they're also fully prepared to run into a safe spot when they're low on food, or etc. And when they do that, you waste food/runes and arrows (if you use them). So technically, fighting an armed/ready opponent is like gambling, if your successful, you win; if you aren't, you lose. Killing skillers on the other hand, you get small profits, but it's unlikely that you can lose much from it.

[FrostyGrunt]

You raise a good point Josh. But the fact still remains that Jagex has mostly taken out the profiteering aspect of PKing, and the equipment drops are complete rubbish, so why PK for profits/drops in the first place? You could make 10X the amount of money you do from preying on skillers and even other PKers doing something else like fishing, wood cutting, hunting etc. So ultimately killing to "loot" (what's left of it) is a waste of time if you're looking to make money. Thus the only legitimate reason for PKing that is left is the thrill of the kill, and what's so thrilling about killing helpless players? :|

 

 

 

Let me rephrase my last conclusion to compensate for your response; No thrill, no skill, no profit that would warrant not moving on to something else.

[Lets_3ekout]

Most peope here seem to be all for killing them, but why? There are little to no incentives. There's no thrill or sense of accomplisment killing an unarmed skiller, nor is there much profit to be had. The drops you get from PKing also depend on what your opponent has on them, so most likely you will get even worse drops than you do fighting someone who is semi-prepared.

 

Says who? Though you may not necessarily agree, some people enjoy killing defencless players. Is it wrong? No? Yes? In the end it really comes down to the fact that it's none of anyone's business, people do what THEY enjoy and that's the way an ideal game is structured and played.

 

 

 

Also most skillers do their thing near banks, so if attacked they can easily turn on a protect prayer, run inside and hope they live out the ten seconds and if they have decent stats, they will. And if you use freeze or bind spells so what? You're going to get a crappy drop anyway, so it's not worth the money.

 

So there is a bit of a challenge in it, is there? ;) I'm not saying it's hard, but in the end, whether it's for drops or for the thrills, it is a risk that the skiller directly took and if it's up to me, he'll get his risk. In the same way, I will many times accept the risk of skilling in pvp worlds, I accept the fact that people can and will attack me - We agreed to this upon joining a PVP world.

 

 

 

No thrill, no skill, no profit. So why? All it does is make you look like a noob/jerk to anyone who has a sense of chivalry. No offense, I don't want to start a flame war (and anyone who attempts it will be duely ignored) but that's just how some people view it. And for the record I never agreed or supported the old "Wild Honor Code", I think it's perfectly fine to use any means necessary to defeat a mutually combative opponent, that includes just wearing armour or weapons.

 

I'm proud to say I'm no "Honor" follower either :lol: Don't take this post as a flame, though it seems wilderness brings out the worst in everyone, which is the only reason that I would rather the pvp worlds never come out, unfair it may be.

 

 

 

 

 

I whole heartily agree with this topic - anyone who whines about being killed skilling in a pvp worlds really needs to grow a pair and accept it. Rather, they should just listen to themselves and realize how ridiculous their claims are.

 

 

 

Lastly, i'm not going to bother with the "Honor" argument. It's a topic been beat dead over again, though some people try hang on to it, whether it makes them feel good about themselves I don't know, it's completely illogical. In my honest opinion, and if this sparks a flame war I won't reply back, people who truly believe in honor were just brought up badly - they got spoilt and have a difficult time accepting simple fairness. Just to repeat, if a flame war comes up don't expect me to respond lest I see constructive reasons. :|

[LiChef]

Although I bet that some of you will say that I am not "morale"

 

 

 

Although I bet some of us will point out that it's Moral. Unless you're down on morale? Give yourself a pat on the back!

 

 

 

Anyway... I don't see what's wrong with killing skillers on a PVP world.

 

 

 

They chose to take the risk of skilling there. You yourself are the risk factor in their skilling. If nobody killed the skillers there then they'd all be making millions from the empty tree/mine/fishing spots.

 

 

 

You, in a small way, are balancing out the economy.

 

 

 

See, I just made you sound powerful ;)

 

Li Chef

[RSBDavid]

 

 

 

Why can't anyone realize that pvp worlds are for pvp...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because they are Player Versus Player Worlds, it does not mean they are pking worlds. Otherwise tehy would be called Pking worlds. You have the oppurtunity to pk, but you can do what ever you want to do on the worlds as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are the skillers really bothering you that much?

[Aneron]

it's like back when runecrafters complained about being attacked while they runecrafted in the wilderness lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyone in an area where you can be attacked by players must learn to accept that you can attacked by players in such an area

[BloodArgon]

 

 

 

 

Why can't anyone realize that pvp worlds are for pvp...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because they are Player Versus Player Worlds, it does not mean they are pking worlds. Otherwise tehy would be called Pking worlds. You have the oppurtunity to pk, but you can do what ever you want to do on the worlds as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are the skillers really bothering you that much?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PlayerKilling

 

 

 

Player Versus Player

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How are they not the same thing?

 

 

 

Did you miss the giant warning sign on login that warns about PLAYER KILLING going on in these worlds?

[fenrir321]

 

 

 

 

Why can't anyone realize that pvp worlds are for pvp...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because they are Player Versus Player Worlds, it does not mean they are pking worlds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pvp = pking, dangerous or not

 

 

 

...It's a time to abandon all quests, to wave sadly to the hellcat and make the lonesome trek north to the Wilderness's Bounty Hunter and Clan Wars, the west to Castle Wars and the TzHaar Fight Pit, or south to Al Kharid's Duel Arena. It is there that other RuneScapers will be waiting expectantly with a hefty mace and a bloodthirsty smile, ready to introduce fledgling adventurers to the complex world of player killing, or, in more friendly terms, pk-ing.

 

 

 

Are the skillers really bothering you that much?

 

 

 

Yes, they bother me with their existence so much, that I am forced to attack them because I am pvping in a pvp world.

 

 

 

When the defenders of the honor code actually come up with a reason NOT to kill skillers on pvp worlds, I will lend my dragon axe for 24 hours for free to that person.

[obfuscator]

I don't think honor even has anything to do with it. These people know the risk, and they should accept their losses. That is even part of the fun, killing the unsuspecting ;)

[FrostyGrunt]

Just to straighten things out, because I know some people probably took my opinion the wrong way, I'm not defending the whining skillers who go into a PVP world, die and then complain about it. In a sense I don't care that skillers are killed, it's not going to effect me in anyway. It's merely the difference in moral understanding of PVP strategies that has engaged my intelectual interest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why some choose to attack skillers and some don't is all I'm interested in, and there's really no right or wrong answer. It's all a matter of opinion. And to those who replied to my posts thanks for keeping it constructive and mature. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+1 to TIF Community.

[Tim]

I'd think you should PK them anyway, they know what they're risking, trash talking and threats aren't going to change the fact that they're out there with a chance to be killed.

 

 

 

exactly. jagex gives ye'r a bloody warning before you log in saying the potential risks of the PVP server(s), its 100% their fault for not taking heed to the warning.

[l0l0lpur32]

Most people who kill skillers do it because they can't get pks in proper fights, but I don't get why they (the skillers being killed) complain - it's a risk they take.