Salvia - Should it be illegal?

[Woodcut Lvr]

Ok, I know I shouldn't quote Wiki, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically. It's a legal drug with the same potency of LSD. Can die on first dose.

 

 

 

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Salvia, also known as Diviners Sage, ska María Pastora, Sage of the Seers, or simply by the genus name, Salvia, is a psychoactive herb which can induce strong dissociative effects. It is a member of the sage genus and the Lamiaceae (mint) family. The Latin name Salvia literally translates to sage of the seers.

 

 

 

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Salvia has become both increasingly well-known and available in modern culture. The rise of the Internet since the 1990s has allowed for the growth of many businesses selling live salvia plants, dried leaves, extracts, and other preparations. Medical experts as well as accident and emergency rooms have not been reporting cases that suggest particular salvia-related health concerns, and police have not been reporting it as a significant issue with regard to public order offences. Despite this, Salvia has attracted heightened negative attention lately from the media and some lawmakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Media stories generally raise alarms over salvias legal status in some places and are often headlined with not necessarily well-supported comparisons to LSD. Parental concerns are raised by focusing on salvias usage by younger teensthe emergence of YouTube videos purporting to depict its use being an area of particular concern in this respect. The isolated and controversial case of Brett Chidester, a 17-year-old Delaware student who purchased salvia some four months prior to committing suicide in January 2006, has received continued media attention. Salvia remains legal in most countries and, within the United States, is legal in the majority of states. However, some have called for its prohibition. Most proposed bills have not been made into law, with motions having been voted down in committee, failed, died, or otherwise stalled. There exist more recent bills that are currently still in the early proposal stage, however. Thus far, there have not been many publicised prosecutions of individuals violating anti-salvia laws in the few countries and states in which it has been made illegal.

 

 

 

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The situation may be subject to future change but at present Salvia remains legal in most countries. Exceptions as at June 2008, countries where there is some form of control, include Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Italy, Japan, Spain, Germany, and Sweden. In the United Kingdom, following a local newspaper story in October 2005, a parliamentary Early Day Motion was raised calling for Salvia to be banned there. However, it only received 11 signatures and has not been debated or further escalated.

 

 

 

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In the United States, salvia is not regulated under the Controlled Substances Act but some states, including Delaware, Louisiana, Missouri and others, have passed their own laws. Several other states have proposed legislation against salvia, including Alabama, Alaska, California, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Texas. Many of these proposals have not made it into law, with motions having failed, stalled or otherwise died, for example at committee review stages.

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Should this drug be illegal?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mod Edit: Although discussions about the drug's legality/morality etc. are allowed, please do not post any kind of personal experiences or anecdotes with drugs, or we'll have to take action. Thanks! :

 

 

 

~meol

[Skull]

I've never used it, so I can't actually say what it does, but from what I've heard it does have a pretty strong link with suicide. My opinion on the subject would be that it should probably be regulated, maybe illegal to people under 18 or 21? I think that there is a stronger case for making it illegal than there is for having cannabis illegal though.

[Deiophobus]

You failed to mention that it only has an effect that lasts about 10 minutes, or less. I'm not sure about legality really. From what I've seen, people don't try to do extremely stupid stuff on it, and they know enough to have sober people around when they're doing it.

[meol]

There's been some discussion in the staff about threads like these, and we agree you're mature enough to handle it. However, remember we're just debating its legality, but we're not talking about personal experiences, at all. Thanks!

[Woodcut Lvr]

You failed to mention that it only has an affect that lasts about 10 minutes, or less.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for leaving that part out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Chewing the leaf makes the effects come on more slowly, over a period of 10 to 20 minutes, the experience then lasting from another 30 minutes up to one and a half hours."

 

 

 

But that too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ Meol. You can only hope :3

[Faux]

Ok, I know I shouldn't quote Wiki, but...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically. It's a legal drug with the same potency of LSD. Can die on first dose.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Awesome. Let those people get removed from the gene pool.

[user1991]

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if a drug was guaranteed to kill you, it should still be legal. Such is the concept of freedom.

[Kenshinjapan]

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if a drug was guaranteed to kill you, it should still be legal. Such is the concept of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We should also allow you to murder, because we don't want to impose on your natural abilities :roll: .

[Adam007]

I only skimmed the wikipedia, but where do you get that you can die on the first dose?

[ElkNight]

Wait, i thought salvia had no negative effects on the body. :?

[Faux]

We should also allow you to murder, because we don't want to impose on your natural abilities :roll: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can have freedom so long as it doesn't intrude with someone else's

[user1991]

 

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if a drug was guaranteed to kill you, it should still be legal. Such is the concept of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We should also allow you to murder, because we don't want to impose on your natural abilities :roll: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Laws will not be needed sometime in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as Shadow said.. the line is drawn when you impose upon the freedoms of someone else. Of course we need to clarify exactly what that means for more specific examples but as a general guideline I think it works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And drugs/prostitution, it's a no brainer to me really. Let people do whatever they want to themselves.

[whiteguy]

 

 

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if a drug was guaranteed to kill you, it should still be legal. Such is the concept of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We should also allow you to murder, because we don't want to impose on your natural abilities :roll: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Laws will not be needed sometime in the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as Shadow said.. the line is drawn when you impose upon the freedoms of someone else. Of course we need to clarify exactly what that means for more specific examples but as a general guideline I think it works.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And drugs/prostitution, it's a no brainer to me really. Let people do whatever they want to themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly what i think about this. If you are not affecting anyone else, then why not? Let people do whatever they want, as long as they don't damage anyone else.

[venomai]

It's a legal drug with the same potency of LSD. Can die on first dose.

 

 

 

Did you read the Wiki article at all? The drug hasn't been shown to be significantly harmful to your health, and it certainly wont kill you on your "first dose."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never used it, so I can't actually say what it does, but from what I've heard it does have a pretty strong link with suicide.

 

 

 

This assumption is based on only a single suicide case. It's highly unlikely that any considerable link exists at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that there is a stronger case for making it illegal than there is for having cannabis illegal though.

 

 

 

Why is this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The prohibition of salvia is a proposal that will result in far more problems than it's attempting to resolve.

[Fist_of_ozzy]

I'm pretty sure I started this exact topic a few months ago. Of course it should be legal and it already is in some states but is slowly becoming illegal. It's non addictive, non habit forming, and the effects only last about 10 minutes. Basically its not harmful to your health.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a legal drug with the same potency of LSD. Can die on first dose.

 

 

 

No. First off, Salvia has a more intense trip than LSD but that doesn't mean it is more dangerous. Secondly, There is no such thing on overdosing on this drug. Unlike LSD, Salvia is not mixed with lab made active hallucinogen properties.

[warri0r45]

 

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if a drug was guaranteed to kill you, it should still be legal. Such is the concept of freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We should also allow you to murder, because we don't want to impose on your natural abilities :roll: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's talking about being allowed to do what you want with your own body, not someone elses. The point would be to do what you want as long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of someone else to do the same. I suppose he's talking about Libertarianism of some sort.

[BlueTear]

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

Let's say you take a drug that impairs your judgement - we could really just use alcohol for this example. Let's say you overdose, or wander into traffic, or does something exceptionally stupid hurting yourself or others, or destroy something that shouldn't have been destroyed. No matter how you slice it, this is likely to cost someone money, or possibly hurt, or if you were really, really stupid, their life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think anyone really gives a [cabbage] about what you do with your own life or money, the problem lies in the various drugs that'll cost other people money. "Take what you want, and pay for it". Find a way to guarantee you're the one paying for it, and knock yourself out.

[venomai]

Unlike LSD, Salvia is not mixed with lab made active hallucinogen properties.

 

 

 

Neither is LSD. The hallucinogenic properties are innate to the drug -- they are not "mixed" in. In the case of LSD-25 synthesized from ergot, the chemical itself is hallucinogenic. In the case of salvia, the chemical salvinorin A (found in salvia) is hallucinogenic.

[venomai]

 

Of course, it should be legal, as should ALL drugs. I don't understand the concept of making a drug/prostitution illegal.. really. It blows my mind that people can actually say "you can't do this with your own body." It's basically the same as saying "we own your body."

Let's say you take a drug that impairs your judgement - we could really just use alcohol for this example. Let's say you overdose, or wander into traffic, or does something exceptionally stupid hurting yourself or others, or destroy something that shouldn't have been destroyed. No matter how you slice it, this is likely to cost someone money, or possibly hurt, or if you were really, really stupid, their life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think anyone really gives a [cabbage] about what you do with your own life or money, the problem lies in the various drugs that'll cost other people money. "Take what you want, and pay for it". Find a way to guarantee you're the one paying for it, and knock yourself out.

 

 

 

Many drugs can cause problems when they are abused, but the way to solve this isn't through prohibition and zero-tolerance. If anything, such a reaction would likely increase the rates of use and abuse.

[Sam]

Any drug can become a problem, so yes.

[l0l0lpur32]

Yes, it should be banned.

[Necrobean]

No, it should not. Either way this one of the few psychedelics that only last up to 30 minutes and it's quite weak (well that depends with 10x, 20x, ...) and even if one would get "caught" with Salvia most policemen are to ignorant to even know what the effects are or how it looks like. (or even think it's cannabis)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides in Italy there has been a case that one smoked cannabis and he got away with it because it's a spiritual part of his religion; rastafarism. Thus people... Our excuse is that we're all shamans ;) .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But no, it seriously shouldn't be made illegal. Someone would just grow a plant or go out in the fields and harvest some mushrooms (which are found ALL over the world).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Renate.

[Deiophobus]

 

It's a legal drug with the same potency of LSD. Can die on first dose.

 

 

 

Did you read the Wiki article at all? The drug hasn't been shown to be significantly harmful to your health, and it certainly wont kill you on your "first dose."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never used it, so I can't actually say what it does, but from what I've heard it does have a pretty strong link with suicide.

 

 

 

This assumption is based on only a single suicide case. It's highly unlikely that any considerable link exists at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that there is a stronger case for making it illegal than there is for having cannabis illegal though.

 

 

 

Why is this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The prohibition of salvia is a proposal that will result in far more problems than it's attempting to resolve.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. You spelled my name wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. I didn't say any of that stuff...

[venomai]

Sorry bout the misquote... I wasn't fully "with it" when I wrote that post.

[user1991]

I don't understand the mentality of these people who think drugs/prostitution should be illegal..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you take certain chemicals you can actually be locked in a cell for doing so. This is basically the same as saying "WE OWN YOU."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Really, it is. How can you possibly even attempt to justify telling someone what they can and cannot do with their own body?