Call to Peace

[ddaanniiellh]

Why on Earth do members get so worked up when F2P get something? You aren't the ones that update F2P, Jagex is. Members pay so they get the best updates, they don't pay to keep F2P from getting updates too.

 

And if you'll notice, most of the past F2P updates were to replace the December updates. Jagex wants to keep F2P alive because that's where their members come from. Yes, I agree F2P doesn't "deserve" anything but it's Jagex's game and they're free what they want to do with it. This is called marketing, look it up.

 

You say if F2Pers don't like not getting updates they should either get members or quit, well if you don't like that F2P gets the occasional bread crumb then I suggest you quit too.

 

It's not like Holiday events should count anyway, they're temporary. Unless you think all members updates would count if they were temporary too.

 

As long as members keep getting the updates they deserve (being frequent ones and much better than those for F2P) I'm happy.

 

 

 

Oh, and it's human nature to be greedy. If you expect F2Pers to never whine about wanting updates then thanks for the laugh.

^^QFT^^

 

 

 

Personally, I'm all for F2P updates, although I am a P2Per.

 

 

 

I enjoy most of the F2P updates very much as it allows a much wider range of players to experience, especially in mini-games, giving a wider base of players to compete against.

 

 

 

Although the majority of updates are still going to be P2P, I think it's better to dream and wish for a chance that one of these updates could possibly be F2P, then to never have anything to look forwards to.

 

~Dan

[Bloodkay]

All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

 

 

Not exactly true. I mean, where would you be without many, many resources coming from F2P(Coal, Yews, Willows, Iron, etc)?

 

We do more for the game than we're credited for...

[3hitm4g3u]

All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

 

 

Not exactly true. I mean, where would you be without many, many resources coming from F2P(Coal, Yews, Willows, Iron, etc)?

 

We do more for the game than we're credited for...

 

 

 

I'm not saying the f2p slave labour doesn't have its benefits.

 

 

 

What I meant is that the only reason Jagex still have f2p forever is because they may become members eventually.

[ToxicBlood122]

I just don't get why roughly $6 a month is so hard for some. Paying the small price unlocks a ton of new areas, equipment and quests. I can probably find $6 in change in my couch.

 

 

 

Mow a lawn/shovel snow once a month and you are set!

Exactly then they are all like well WoW is better when in WoW all you do is fight and pay 15$ a month when in rs for 5$ a month you can do a hell of a lot like cut trees burn down stuff and alot more. I would pick RS over WoW anyday.

[Racheya]

 

 

 

I love F2P, I think it is less intense and there's a lot less waving of the proverbial 'e-peen'. I don't think F2P is undeserving of updates but I think that the whiney forum-going minority need to STFU and take Runescape for what it is - a huge game with acres of content if you're willing to pay £3.20 for it, that also provides those unable to pay for it with a very nice sized version for free. Be grateful.

 

 

 

Oh and also... F2P PVP >>> P2P PVP. No contest.

 

 

 

^ This.

 

 

 

I think that people exaggerate how much F2P 'whines' about wanting more updates, and those that do are usually just 13 year old boys who just want everything and anything. I have friends on F2P who don't want to be a P2P member because it's so much bigger and they just want to sit back, relax, do a bit of woodcutting or mining and take the game at their own pace. Sure, I'd say that F2P people do generally get a bit miffed when P2P gets an update, but a majority of them aren't idiots and realise that members pay, therefore it makes sense that they get more. Those who don't realise this are, like I said, just idiots.

 

 

 

If you pay then, you pay. Good for you. If you don't or can't, then why on earth should it matter to those of you who do pay? Those 'whining' F2Pers aren't going to change anything with their 'whining' so what on earth does it matter?

[jimmyjames227]

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Most people who play RuneScape (myself included) come from a generation of 'babying' or instant gratification. To make a long story short, the prevailing attitude of the generation is that they seem to be imbued with a belief that the world ows them something by defult. I am now 18, I get to see the world a bit differently. In the real world, you must do something to get something in return.

 

 

 

The people who play dislike any request from f2p for a valid reson. Despite many p2p'ers beliving in this auto intitlement I talked about, for the purposes of RuneScape content they are now on the side giving something. This clears their entitlement belief about the game, they now see that they are giving something and f2p are not (don't even think about mentioning ads right now; everything in due course). Now if f2p start getting content, p2p can see this as a huge injustice. They don't do anything and they already have a huge demo capable of satisfying many players who never go to members.

 

 

 

F2p ad revenues are probbaly pretty significant. But they don't pay for members. I would guess the ads pay for servers and maintenance and possibly some bandwidth. Members carry the rest. Members most certainly pays for development. When Jagex gives f2p something, its not because their nice people (though that was true at one time). The original holiday events even up to the famous easter event where we got the ring. That was a out of the goodness of their hearts kind of thing, holiday good will. Now, we see events with p2p content. I was brought to members by their campain of p2p updates in f2p areas (the varrock museaum was what got me). Every update for f2p now, is an investment. The extra revenues that Jagex gets from the new members pays for the f2p updates.

 

 

 

Life is not fair. True. You get what you pay for. True (unless its a contractor #-o ). When you factor in teh burden f2p puts on Jagex with the bandwidth costs, the ads don't pay for a whole lot more.

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I totaly agree ecpsecially the contracters part :D

[Salad]

Another useless and flame party thread -.-

 

 

 

It's simple, Members pay to get more stuff and updates, non-members don't pay so they shouldn't be getting new stuff and updates.

 

 

 

All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

 

 

Not exactly true. I mean, where would you be without many, many resources coming from F2P(Coal, Yews, Willows, Iron, etc)?

 

We do more for the game than we're credited for...

 

 

 

F2P get all those stuff because IT'S THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO. And no one is credited for getting resources. Do people get credited when they get a rune full helm from a slayer task? Na, but someone else will be happy with it.

[Omar]

Problem is some people consider F2P to bring nothing to the game. They're wrong. I've always wanted Jagex to remove F2P for two weeks and see what the P2Ps who think that would say then. Yes, I wanted that to happen even when I was F2P.

[Jimmyw3000]

Problem is some people consider F2P to bring nothing to the game. They're wrong. I've always wanted Jagex to remove F2P for two weeks and see what the P2Ps who think that would say then. Yes, I wanted that to happen even when I was F2P.

 

i would love to see what happens if that happened tbh.

[dax1224]

The best things in life are free.

 

 

 

American Proverb quotes

 

 

 

Who cares if F2P want more? Are you telling me that you didnt start out as f2p and then saw how sweet of a game it was and pay up? What if the f2p cant pay up? Maybe they dont have rich mommys and daddys or have jobs to pay for it? Please before you go bashing anyone think of the other side of the story, thats whats wrong with the community, think of others before your self. Believe me it makes the world a much better place. And yes i do pay to play but think free players should get a lot of new stuff just to make it intresting. i vote for a new skill? Theiving or Hunter? :

[fat_klutz]

I support separating F2P and P2P and not allowing trade/interaction between the two. That way P2P does not have to deal with the whiny F2P at all.

 

 

 

But wait... Then P2P would not benefit from everything F2P does like gather coal, iron, yews, blah blah blah. And wait.... then P2P would become unhappy. Hmm.... I guess P2P owes F2P a little more than there willing to admit.

 

 

 

So basically F2P does not deserve every quest, every skill, etc but they should definitely have updates because they play a vital part of keeping the game running.

[Kolin]

What some P2Pers who use the statement "Why don't you just pay" and such don't realize, is sometimes people are F2P because they ENJOY being pure F2P.

 

 

 

I'm a P2Per myself, with a level 138 character. I have paid for members for many years (actually, since members itself came out). However, I have also made another account which is pure F2P, because I enjoy F2P more for the following reasons:

 

 

 

- Exp/hr is drastically cut, makes for a greater challenge

 

- Cash is much harder to earn on f2p, which increases the challenge even more

 

- Most of the training spots in f2p are crowded which... you guessed it... increases the challenge

 

- With the challenge being so much higher than P2P, each level actually feels like it is worthwhile. Those 99s you get on P2P within only a couple weeks, you can actually feel personally proud of that you got it on F2P

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I'm not going to say which version is better, because it all depends on personal preference, but some people only see the side of "It's cheap to buy members, just do it", or "Why train at low exp per hour? That's just stupid!". What these people need to realize is, some people prefer those methods.

 

 

 

Now, concerning the updates, I agree 100% with the fact that F2Pers should NOT beg / whine about the updates, or lack thereof. If you choose to remain F2P, you have to also accept the lack of options available to you. This is also true for some pures who have to accept that with their low stats in particular areas (Defence, strength, attack, combat in general, etc), that not all updates will be available to them.

 

 

 

Another interesting fact : Without F2Pers, you could only really buy Pure Essence, since there would only be PVP worlds, you could only mine pure essence after 30 mining. Therefor, if you ever want to make lower level runes, you will have to pay triple / quadruple the price per rune since you have to use pure ess. (Small fact, I know, but there are many other things that F2Pers contribute to the game, including non in-game things).

[SwreeTak]

Well, I myself have a lot of friends who're F2P and many of them are actually really good friends of mine. I try to always be nice to all players, but there're some players you just can't skip getting mad at. And this more happens with F2Pers than P2Pers, at least for me. And then I spend most of my time in P2P worlds, so it shouldn't really be that way. The simple reason to why it is like this I think is that F2Pers are more often newer to the game and doesn't care about. And before you flame, people like these makes out a miniority of all F2Pers. Of course there are stupid people in P2P aswell, but they seem to be plentier in F2P.

[Troacctid]

Bank space, 68 is plenty, I dont know what you keep in there, majority of the holiday event can be placed by Diago, and its enough for ores and all the common things, unless you are into buying all the trim items, and collect bunch of things.

 

 

 

Monster, ice giants, cockroach soldiers, they are good for money and xp, and its not hard to find a world that is empty of other competitors

 

 

 

Yew logs, and lobster, coal and ores, always a big demand, you can make cash that way.

 

 

 

Fog, duel arena, runecrafting guild, clan wars good for mini game and xp.

 

 

 

With the autoers gone, everything is slowly back to normal, and to be honest, thats all what most F2P ever wanted.

 

Interestingly enough, many of those are fairly recent additions to f2p. Only about a year ago, there were NO minigames in f2p, period. None at all--they were all members-only. Then the duel arena opened its gates to all players, and soon afterward f2p got Clan Wars and Bounty Hunter to replace the old Wilderness pvp system. FoG and TGOP are even more recent. Cockroach soldiers are also a relatively new monster. And if you think yews, coal, and lobsters are good for cash, you should see the stuff we got in members. P2p'ers with no quests and level 1 in every skill can make quintuple the cash of a f2p level 99 lobster fisher. And if you think cockroaches and ice giants are profitable monsters, wait until you try Aviansies. ;)

 

 

 

Anyway, I think Jagex has been really generous with f2p updates in recent times, and I see no reason to begrudge free players their updates. Besides, all the f2p updates are usually even better in members. Ankous and roaches drop charms, herbs, herb seeds, better runes, and clue scrolls when you go to a members world. The runecrafting guild has lots of members-only stuff, like pure essence and high-level teletabs as rewards, omni-talismans, the guy who sells and repairs runecrafting pouches, and you can visit the nature and chaos altars in the minigame. FoG is the only one that disappointed me, because none of the rewards from it were relevant in p2p, since better equipment was already available.

 

 

 

Nothing to complain about on either side, so far as I'm concerned.

[legilgalad2]

Personally I don't care that F2p is limited in what it can do, that's the way it's ment to be. F2p is supposed to give you a taster so you buy the membership. Sure it's fine for F2per's to dream of what will never be but it's the ones who demand it that get on my nerves as they give the rest of the F2p population a bad name.

 

And honestly, I couldn't be happier slaving in the mines and tree plantations for our P2p overlords ;) . It's a job after all right?

[magmaguard3]

Hey let's make YET ANOTHER f2p vs p2p thread discussing discussions on f2p vs p2p.

 

 

 

Yea, originality ftw. Couldn't post in the numerous existing threads, gotta make a new one.

 

 

 

 

 

I noticed that too. This argument has been around forever, and theres like a hundred posts like this.

 

 

 

But OT: F2p should just be content with what they have. Look at f2p Pirates Online, worst f2p game on earth. That makes f2p Rs look like members with a hundred more updates.

[Reztral]

F2P should not get updates because they don't pay. End of story.

[armourdilo]

*starts sequel*

 

 

 

As a free player I prefer having less to do - I normally end up doing less as a member because there is too much to do! No, Free players that want more aren't whiny tight[ASCII]s, they just haven't been on members - it's chaotic!! I'd rather play at my own pace than try to get more done because I've payed X money so I have to make it count. If it is because they are bored maybe it's time they either did pay, or, as an alternative, find new ways to have fun (cabbage bombing anyone? :D). Why not find members and antagonize them? Tell them "LOL you paid X dollars to have as much fun as I can?! FOOL!" Ok, just kidding but you get the idea, you can have as much fun on FTP as on PTP, there is no need for a free player to want more, and no need for a member to complain when the free player asks for something, or when they get it.

 

 

 

I just hope FTP doesn't get as overloaded as PTP.

[3hitm4g3u]

All i'm going to say is f2pers who actively choose not to pay cannot ask for more things, even if they really feel they deserve them.

 

 

 

Those who cannot pay are also in the same category. I mean, if your only 10 years old surely your pocket money or paper round or w/e would be enough to afford £3.20 or $5 for a MONTH. Even if mummy and daddy won't let you get members on their card or phoneline you can go and buy the cards that top up runescape membership.

[vettro]

Ok. I just think people need to remember that for a 100% free game Runescape is gonna be tough to beat. Sure P2P gets all the updates but hey, they pay so they deserve it. F2P doesn't really deserve anything new period. Anything they do get they should appreciate.

[sohkmj1]

P2Pers don't pay to rant against f2pers. P2Pers don't "feel" that an update isn't for f2pers, that's for Jagex to do, not you.

 

You already get more updates than we do. So if we get a couple, what does it mean to you? Does your character get stat-wiped? No. So stop whining. It makes me wonder if paying that $5 a month makes some P2Pers arrogant... It's just a game, don't kill each other over it.

 

And note, while I believe that there's nothing wrong with f2p getting content, I feel that it's not right to actually ask for the updates. And no, I am currently f2p and will be for quite a while.

[ShadowTwisted]

Well, it does seem that in being new, I also got to be ignorant. Everyone who decided to post on this thread without reading a word of it, you get a giant serving of FAIL! Probably the only way to make people actually read what I write is to type everything out backwards. That way everyone would have to take a minute to read it before going off and assuming. If you don't read anything before posting here, I wonder how you ever level ANYTHING in runescape, because you obviously lack patience. If I edited the title, it might help, but what good would it do now. Thanks for the giant flame war thread that I pretty much asked not to have happen.

[Omar]

 

The only thing that really gets my blood boiling is when P2P starts stating that:

 

-F2P is worthless and we do ABSOLUTELY nothing for the game

 

 

 

All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

Yews, oaks, normal logs, willows, most ores, steel bars, a lot of that comes from F2P. I wish you'd just leave instead of constantly being an [wagon].

 

 

 

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All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

 

 

Not exactly true. I mean, where would you be without many, many resources coming from F2P(Coal, Yews, Willows, Iron, etc)?

 

We do more for the game than we're credited for...

 

 

 

I'm not saying the f2p slave labour doesn't have its benefits.

 

 

 

What I meant is that the only reason Jagex still have f2p forever is because they may become members eventually.

 

Fletching would be ridiculously expensive, smithing would be even worse for those who train it, and you can pretty much go on and on with that. Yews used to be 300-350 each, they're almost 460 each since the bots left. Imagine what would happen if they removed F2P...

 

@Shadow: This isn't a flame war between F2P and P2P, this a flame war between that donkey up there and... well whatever you want to call me. It's bound to happen.

[3hitm4g3u]

 

The only thing that really gets my blood boiling is when P2P starts stating that:

 

-F2P is worthless and we do ABSOLUTELY nothing for the game

 

 

 

All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

Yews, oaks, normal logs, willows, most ores, steel bars, a lot of that comes from F2P. I wish you'd just leave instead of constantly being an [wagon].

 

 

 

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All f2p does is provide potential members.

 

 

 

Not exactly true. I mean, where would you be without many, many resources coming from F2P(Coal, Yews, Willows, Iron, etc)?

 

We do more for the game than we're credited for...

 

 

 

I'm not saying the f2p slave labour doesn't have its benefits.

 

 

 

What I meant is that the only reason Jagex still have f2p forever is because they may become members eventually.

 

Fletching would be ridiculously expensive, smithing would be even worse for those who train it, and you can pretty much go on and on with that. Yews used to be 300-350 each, they're almost 460 each since the bots left. Imagine what would happen if they removed F2P...

 

@Shadow: This isn't a flame war between F2P and P2P, this a flame war between that donkey up there and... well whatever you want to call me. It's bound to happen.

 

 

 

Do you have reading difficulties?

 

 

 

I stated I'm talking about benefits for jagex, not members and their economy.

[Omar]

Do you have any idea how many members would quit if the economy was messed to that point?

 

Also, those cards only exist in the US. Thanks for considering anything beyond your country....