i see every1 has great ideas and have done their research great topic

 

 

 

this might be nothing but even without the south marker i lined up the plces on the front page and they seem to intersect at the digsite might be nothing though

 

 

 

Care to explain that comment?

 

How can a bunch of locations interdect at the digsite (not saying your wrong or they can't, just want to know how).

 

 

 

For who/what Jas is. I see two possibilities. You can take the obvious meaning of the oracles words (which is rarely a good idea) and assume Jas is an elder God (which is possible because we know the elder Gods did exist and may still exist). The seoncd interpretation is that Jas is an event. This would be like saying 'the big bang left a black hole behind'. This woudl mean the stone of Jas is the product of some (cataclysimic) event.

 

 

 

If I may state what I think the stone of Jas actualy is. There was a series (Young Wizards) I read. And in it they talked about some kind of (world) kernal. This kernal controlled the place/place/world it existed on/in. I think the stone of Jas may be some kind of kernal for gielinor, making it the perfect tool to shape a world, and giving it near omni potent power while in the Gielinor plane.

 

 

 

some one suggest that there could be something where the suggested strongholds intercepted. at the digsite there seems to be something to with zaros there and zaros was mentioned quite a bit. it could be nothing though. im noot good at looking at things

have you noticed, on the youtube vid, about robert the strong, when you examined the dragon-kin it said "creator of the dragons"! This is conclusive evidence that they did create the dragons!Awesome thread btw, i love all this runescape history stuff! =D> :thumbup: :thumbsup:

I just read through the entire Ghostly Robes conversation provided by Randox, and there were no mention of Wyrms, only a single mention, in passing, of "dragon riders" being in Zamoraks honor guard along with Viggora. That said, I don't think there is anything that adds to the story of the dragonkin in the ghostly robes miniquest, except for the off-chance that it happens in the first 7 chat boxes.

Before reporting in your topic I've read that conversation too, but I just presumed that it was evidence for Wyrms too. Now I read your post, I think I read something about Wyrms at the Varrock Museum, at the exhibit of the Red Dragon, but maybe I'm just confused.

Very nice thread, you even found some screw-ups by Jagex (not like they're rare lol : ). They probably did originally intend for the Mahajarrat to be the creators of Dragon Weapons, but then changed their minds.

 

 

 

Hope you guys can figure this out...

 

 

 

-Pasty

 

 

 

PS: Somebody from Jagex is probably reading this thread and thinking of ways to further confuse evidence, just to screw with you. :lol:

:ohnoes:

 

 

 

i was really fasinated by this, so i did some research, if you look at the world map, castle draken and the baxtorian falls are the east and west, the spirit dragonkin castle is the north, so if we assume this to be correct, the south may be menaphos, as ichtarin is a god of the mahjarrat and the mahjarrat and dragonkin seem to be very close, if we find the center of all these, it roughly comes out as.....dranor manor!!!! well thats all......

stone of jas: source code for runescape :XD:

 

 

 

what I mean is that it might give powers unimaginable, powers to shape worlds and cast magic with unbelieable force, maybe the dragonkin used it to train with?

 

 

 

 

 

Necro=undead

 

I dont think dragonkin are undead, just a strange naming thing

 

 

 

Also, the kbd's message, we will rise from the ashes of defeat or something like that, dragonkin will come back to life, or back out from hiding, probably much much stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has been proven that BOB is robert the strong, how he got into cat form and why he lost his memory and why he lives for a milinia and a half is unknown, but he is robert, so, if (when) the dragonkin return, they could hunt out bob, seeking revenge, maybe seeing the dragonkin will trigger a reaction and turn him back into robert. Also, is Odyseus really dead, did he die in the cutscene fight? will he meet with bob?

 

 

 

Another (very unlikely) thought... Dragon kin might be the mahjarrat? transformation? maybe the DK's made the mahjarrat like they made dragons?

 

 

 

to continue the chain of dragons: there might be an addy/runite dragon, giving a dragon platebody, or maybe more weapons that never came out: warhammer, shortsword, pickaxe, fullshield, claws, and maybe even a dragon staff or cape!

 

 

 

other stuff you didn't touch on:

 

 

 

Draconic visage: does this have anything to do with the dragonkin?

 

 

 

how come random monsters have dragon wepons for the dropping?

 

 

 

what is dragonstone? does it have anything to do with the dragonkin?

 

 

 

And dosn't the cutscene fight look a little suspishous? like, no other dragonkin attack him, even though there comerade is getting killed, and robert was only almost killed, but not quite, could the fight have been set up? is robert just a way of confuzing humans?

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

about the dragonkin being evil? I belive so, afterall, even though robert was the attacker, I belive that he was defending humans, because 'the dragonkin crave bloodshed' they dont just do it for survival, the CRAVE it, take some sick pleasure in it, etc...

Maybe i've misread or i'm speculating, but knowing that the new quest involves the 'staff of armadyl' , i think the new runescape banner may have something to do with it? who knows.

 

The skeleton holding the staff (which may be of armadyl) also had a green diamond on it's skull, which i believe is a colour used by armadyl (pendant of lucien)?

 

Who knows :)

stone of jas: source code for runescape :XD:

 

 

 

what I mean is that it might give powers unimaginable, powers to shape worlds and cast magic with unbelieable force, maybe the dragonkin used it to train with?

 

 

 

 

 

Necro=undead

 

I dont think dragonkin are undead, just a strange naming thing

 

 

 

Also, the kbd's message, we will rise from the ashes of defeat or something like that, dragonkin will come back to life, or back out from hiding, probably much much stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has been proven that BOB is robert the strong, how he got into cat form and why he lost his memory and why he lives for a milinia and a half is unknown, but he is robert, so, if (when) the dragonkin return, they could hunt out bob, seeking revenge, maybe seeing the dragonkin will trigger a reaction and turn him back into robert. Also, is Odyseus really dead, did he die in the cutscene fight? will he meet with bob?

 

 

 

Another (very unlikely) thought... Dragon kin might be the mahjarrat? transformation? maybe the DK's made the mahjarrat like they made dragons?

 

 

 

to continue the chain of dragons: there might be an addy/runite dragon, giving a dragon platebody, or maybe more weapons that never came out: warhammer, shortsword, pickaxe, fullshield, claws, and maybe even a dragon staff or cape!

 

 

 

other stuff you didn't touch on:

 

 

 

Draconic visage: does this have anything to do with the dragonkin?

 

 

 

how come random monsters have dragon wepons for the dropping?

 

 

 

what is dragonstone? does it have anything to do with the dragonkin?

 

 

 

And dosn't the cutscene fight look a little suspishous? like, no other dragonkin attack him, even though there comerade is getting killed, and robert was only almost killed, but not quite, could the fight have been set up? is robert just a way of confuzing humans?

 

 

 

EDIT:

 

 

 

about the dragonkin being evil? I belive so, afterall, even though robert was the attacker, I belive that he was defending humans, because 'the dragonkin crave bloodshed' they dont just do it for survival, the CRAVE it, take some sick pleasure in it, etc...

 

 

 

Random monsters drop dragon weapons because they've been circulating ever since they dragonkin released them or lost them, depending on which would better serve their motives. The draconic visage coudl very well be related to the dragonkin, but there's really no way to prove that seeing as how there's no information on it, really. As for dragonstone, there's really no reason to believe that its anything besides a name. It seems most likely to me that the dragonkin are evil as well, but we have to acknowledge the possiblity that they aren't. I mean read the postbags when the KBD answers: he tells of the dragonkin craving blood and showing no mercy; doesn't sound very friendly to me!

Maybe i've misread or i'm speculating, but knowing that the new quest involves the 'staff of armadyl' , i think the new runescape banner may have something to do with it? who knows.

 

The skeleton holding the staff (which may be of armadyl) also had a green diamond on it's skull, which i believe is a colour used by armadyl (pendant of lucien)?

 

Who knows :)

 

 

 

 

 

I found some concept art of that skeleton, it's holding the staff of armadyl, or so i'm guessing, because of the wings on it. they look excatly like the wings on the gwd arma boss

 

 

 

here's an image of the 2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MORE INFO:

 

 

 

 

 

the name of the runescape banner is:

 

runescape.com/img/main/layout/head_image_mahjarrat.jpg

 

 

 

First off: Great and awesome thread!

 

Alright, now for some info.

 

I haven't looked through evreything yet, but;

 

Dear King Black Dragon,

 

 

 

[hide=]Have you noticed that you're not the strongest monster in runescape anymore? After the Kalphite queen and now the Chaos Elemental came along, they made you look weak. You cannot let this happen to you! Fight them! You could own them if you tried. Tell me if you get back your title as strongest monster.

 

 

 

Later,

 

Hobbman

 

 

 

Our time here is short. Our masters only leave us this place so we may bring false hope to the humans. With defeat comes rebirth, with rebirth comes conflict. With conflict comes passion, with passion comes power. With power comes a price. New challenges will only bring them closer to the end, to the precipice of the unknown, to the Kin, and they will show no mercy.

 

 

 

Your perception of strength will be your undoing, tasty morsel.[/hide]

 

 

 

Alright. I think this means; That the Dragonkin cannot get ''baby Dragonkin'' so to say. Rather, that they are REBORN.

 

Also, what I think the line means from the ''with ... comes ...'' is that, eventually, when they are reborn, they get MORE power. Which might also mean, that ''Bob'' fought one of the EARLIEST Dragonkin. Or, so to say; we might end up fighting one that's for instance stronger then the Kalphite queen or even stronger then the ''Spirit General'' or something like that. Which makes sense, seeing that we'll probably have to fight the Dragonkin in the ''master'' quest.

 

~Zeaal (The complicated). :lol:

First off: Great and awesome thread!

 

Alright, now for some info.

 

I haven't looked through evreything yet, but;

 

Dear King Black Dragon,

 

 

 

[hide=]Have you noticed that you're not the strongest monster in runescape anymore? After the Kalphite queen and now the Chaos Elemental came along, they made you look weak. You cannot let this happen to you! Fight them! You could own them if you tried. Tell me if you get back your title as strongest monster.

 

 

 

Later,

 

Hobbman

 

 

 

Our time here is short. Our masters only leave us this place so we may bring false hope to the humans. With defeat comes rebirth, with rebirth comes conflict. With conflict comes passion, with passion comes power. With power comes a price. New challenges will only bring them closer to the end, to the precipice of the unknown, to the Kin, and they will show no mercy.

 

 

 

Your perception of strength will be your undoing, tasty morsel.[/hide]

 

 

 

Alright. I think this means; That the Dragonkin cannot get ''baby Dragonkin'' so to say. Rather, that they are REBORN.

 

Also, what I think the line means from the ''with ... comes ...'' is that, eventually, when they are reborn, they get MORE power. Which might also mean, that ''Bob'' fought one of the EARLIEST Dragonkin. Or, so to say; we might end up fighting one that's for instance stronger then the Kalphite queen or even stronger then the ''Spirit General'' or something like that. Which makes sense, seeing that we'll probably have to fight the Dragonkin in the ''master'' quest.

 

~Zeaal (The complicated). :lol:

 

grats on your 1st post and welcome to itp.it :

 

 

 

so you think that when the dragonkin die, they come back to life stronger? like goku from DBZ :XD: lol

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

First off: Great and awesome thread!

 

Alright, now for some info.

 

I haven't looked through evreything yet, but;

 

Dear King Black Dragon,

 

 

 

[hide=]Have you noticed that you're not the strongest monster in runescape anymore? After the Kalphite queen and now the Chaos Elemental came along, they made you look weak. You cannot let this happen to you! Fight them! You could own them if you tried. Tell me if you get back your title as strongest monster.

 

 

 

Later,

 

Hobbman

 

 

 

Our time here is short. Our masters only leave us this place so we may bring false hope to the humans. With defeat comes rebirth, with rebirth comes conflict. With conflict comes passion, with passion comes power. With power comes a price. New challenges will only bring them closer to the end, to the precipice of the unknown, to the Kin, and they will show no mercy.

 

 

 

Your perception of strength will be your undoing, tasty morsel.[/hide]

 

 

 

Alright. I think this means; That the Dragonkin cannot get ''baby Dragonkin'' so to say. Rather, that they are REBORN.

 

Also, what I think the line means from the ''with ... comes ...'' is that, eventually, when they are reborn, they get MORE power. Which might also mean, that ''Bob'' fought one of the EARLIEST Dragonkin. Or, so to say; we might end up fighting one that's for instance stronger then the Kalphite queen or even stronger then the ''Spirit General'' or something like that. Which makes sense, seeing that we'll probably have to fight the Dragonkin in the ''master'' quest.

 

~Zeaal (The complicated). :lol:

 

 

 

Welcome to TIF! Your idea is very intriguing to me, and it makes perfect sense! One of the things the dragonkin could be doing in the ancient cavern or wherever they're holed up is offing each other in order to become stronger. A very strange ritual, but an effective one nonetheless!

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

 

 

 

Perhaps all dragons are female, except the King Black Dragon? I've seen that in a few movies and stories. I can't think why that wouldn't make sense in Runescape.

 

 

 

I don't really get what you meant by saying 'then where's...?'. I can't see how that had anything to do with/gone against my previous statement.

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

 

 

 

I shall restate my theory then, backed by my understanding of mathematics.

 

 

 

The KBD has 3 heads, doesn't it? Well I think that the middle head is the female one. Why? Let's suppose we assign each a number. Males being -1 and female being 1. The KBD's gender could then be expressed by -1+1+1, or 2-1. What is 2-1? It's 4 of course, I mean 1. And what is 1 in our equation? Male. So one male and the female would cancel each other out, leaving one male left, which is why it is called the KING Black Dragon, and not the King-Queen-King. This would explain why the KBD respawns, because the dragon as a single unit can fertilize itself, leaving a spawn.

 

 

 

Why the middle head? Well the other head would get jealous if the second got the female all to himself :lol:

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

 

 

 

Just because the king black dragon CAN reproduce normally doesn't mean he IS reproducing. Also, just because the king black dragon ISN'T reproducing normally, doesn't mean he CAN'T.

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

 

 

 

I shall restate my theory then, backed by my understanding of mathematics.

 

 

 

The KBD has 3 heads, doesn't it? Well I think that the middle head is the female one. Why? Let's suppose we assign each a number. Males being -1 and female being 1. The KBD's gender could then be expressed by -1+1+1, or 2-1. What is 2-1? It's 4 of course, I mean 1. And what is 1 in our equation? Male. So one male and the female would cancel each other out, leaving one male left, which is why it is called the KING Black Dragon, and not the King-Queen-King. This would explain why the KBD respawns, because the dragon as a single unit can fertilize itself, leaving a spawn.

 

 

 

Why the middle head? Well the other head would get jealous if the second got the female all to himself :lol:

 

*Ignores the fact that it's a joke* If there are two male heads and one female and -1 is assigned to male, the wouldn't it be -1+1-1? So it would make -1, and we all got it horribly wrong! Human women don't like it if they get mistaken for men, so what would a dragon do!? Holy [bleep] :shock: !! ... just like in Shrek... heh :lol:

 

 

 

Oh and welcome to Tif Zeaal : Your theory sounds kinda possible. Another thing it could mean is that it's about the dragons themselves. The KBD is talking about how the dragons are bringing false hope to us right? Maybe the dragons are just here so we can use our Dragon weapons more, so that the dragonkin get more power through their powerlink with the weapons.

 

 

 

Hmm, that sounds like it has been mentioned before in this topic...

Someone was asking about the dragonstones...Remember the tower of life quest? When you explain to the creature that the wizards create? At the end of the quest, you can steer it's thoughts towards either magic or science/technology by answering a bunch of questions. One of the questions is where does dragon breath come from? The magic path answer has to do with a magical dragonstone in their stomach.

 

 

 

And it says the dragonkin hid from the lands, because although they die no natural death, they were in great fear of dying because they cannot reproduce. Hence why they made the dragons to protect them. If this is true, then it's illogical that they come back to life - if it was so, they would be TRULY immortal, and would have no need of a protector. It is quite possible that the dragonkin Robert the strong killed was an isolated dragonkin - it never said anywhere that dragonkins are social creatures did it?

Someone was asking about the dragonstones...Remember the tower of life quest? When you explain to the creature that the wizards create? At the end of the quest, you can steer it's thoughts towards either magic or science/technology by answering a bunch of questions. One of the questions is where does dragon breath come from? The magic path answer has to do with a magical dragonstone in their stomach.

 

 

 

And it says the dragonkin hid from the lands, because although they die no natural death, they were in great fear of dying because they cannot reproduce. Hence why they made the dragons to protect them. If this is true, then it's illogical that they come back to life - if it was so, they would be TRULY immortal, and would have no need of a protector. It is quite possible that the dragonkin Robert the strong killed was an isolated dragonkin - it never said anywhere that dragonkins are social creatures did it?

 

His to sounds a bit more accurate. There's no reason for the Dragonkin to fear death if it just means they'll come out stronger. In fact, it would mean they would seek out death. Then they'd have no reason to hide.

But that would mean normal dragons wold undergo the same process, since after all the KBD is the one saying it. And the KBD isn't spawning 1 level higher each time it respawns, otherwise we'd have a problem.

 

 

 

Although since the Dragonkin created dragons, perhaps they did not let this apply to them?

 

 

 

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now.

 

 

 

However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn.

 

 

 

 

 

then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;)

 

 

 

I shall restate my theory then, backed by my understanding of mathematics.

 

 

 

The KBD has 3 heads, doesn't it? Well I think that the middle head is the female one. Why? Let's suppose we assign each a number. Males being -1 and female being 1. The KBD's gender could then be expressed by -1+1+1, or 2-1. What is 2-1? It's 4 of course, I mean 1. And what is 1 in our equation? Male. So one male and the female would cancel each other out, leaving one male left, which is why it is called the KING Black Dragon, and not the King-Queen-King. This would explain why the KBD respawns, because the dragon as a single unit can fertilize itself, leaving a spawn.

 

 

 

Why the middle head? Well the other head would get jealous if the second got the female all to himself :lol:

 

*Ignores the fact that it's a joke* If there are two male heads and one female and -1 is assigned to male, the wouldn't it be -1+1-1? So it would make -1, and we all got it horribly wrong! Human women don't like it if they get mistaken for men, so what would a dragon do!? Holy [bleep] :shock: !! ... just like in Shrek... heh :lol:

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah, so then just make 1 assigned to male and -1 assigned to female. Then it'll work out.

 

 

 

Well this is math, not social science :

Grasle: Yer, all dragons but the kbd are female, just examine one :o "mother dragon"

great topic made my hair stand on my back coz of all ure theories, as i read it i had sum ideas but i found that you had used them already.

 

One of the best topics ive seen in ages.

Grasle: Yer, all dragons but the kbd are female, just examine one :o "mother dragon"

 

 

 

Metal dragons do not have specific genders.

 

 

 

Yet I remember there being eggs in the Iron/Steel lair.