Dragonkin: After the Rise of Lucien

[Cubfin]

Wow, this is an awesome thread! Obviously a lot of work and research went into it. I would have posted sooner but my sister was player tetris :P.

[mrdoctorsir]

Perhaps The Dragonkin symbol IS the stone of Jas? Perhaps meaning The dragonkin existed on this plane before Guthix and humans arrived. It is possible that "Jas" is/was a Dragonkin and Guthix used his/her stone to create things which the Dragonkin did not like (eg., Runes, Portals, Ect..). You can see the Dragonkin use magical attacks, so it is likely that the stone also had the same magical properties (eg. "Runes").

 

 

 

Certainly something to think about, that ties Dragonkin into the quest in a different way. If they are the makers/founders of the stone of Jas, its obvious they would have a HUGE impact in this quest.

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion it resembles half of the (presumed) Stone of Jas from the Meeting History cutscene. Also, it looks a bit like the Fist of Guthix. It's interesting, but I wouldn't immediately call it the Dragonkin symbol. But it could be, as Jagex implied that the Kin symbol can already be found in the game, and this is the only mysterious symbol I can think of...

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps The Dragonkin symbol IS the stone of Jas? Perhaps meaning The dragonkin existed on this plane before Guthix and humans arrived. It is possible that "Jas" is/was a Dragonkin and Guthix used his/her stone to create things which the Dragonkin did not like (eg., Runes, Portals, Ect..). You can see the Dragonkin use magical attacks, so it is likely that the stone also had the same magical properties (eg. "Runes").

 

 

 

Certainly something to think about, that ties Dragonkin into the quest in a different way. If they are the makers/founders of the stone of Jas, its obvious they would have a HUGE impact in this quest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't seem all that likely that the dragonkin came before guthix does it? being the god of nature and such.

 

also there's the fact they mention that the dragonkin were corrupted, and guthix is the god of neutrality so there seems to be a missing link of sorts there between guthix being a dragonkin then becoming a god

 

however there still is a possibility, but it doesn't seem like they could be connected very easily

 

(i have no idea how to explain the symbol perhaps jagex thought it was cool lol)

 

If jagex does make a quest connecting guthix and the dragonkin it seems like it would just go that guthix had morals(and was one of the dragonkin obviously) and rose to being a god like how zamorak did, but then jagex would have to deal with the fact that he's the most powerful and ancient god (although i say zammy ftw =P)

[thetruesmzchaos]

:shock: maybe some of the Mahjarrat are dragonkin

 

maybe the dragonkin have somethin with the big quest mmm i would love to kill a dragonkin and would explain alot maybe the dragonkin are the ones that made Drakan/vampires of rs ect. seeing thay made dragons thers a lab ther. :shock: what if im right i hate to face a super powered undead vampire dragon lol only time will tell hopefull soon -.- hates waitin

[Da_Latios]

 

Bigger picture I have from when I recorded the cutscene in fullscreen.

[riakk]

Kudos to all the ppeople who have put this thread together.

 

I too love the concept of the Dragonkin so this was an awesome read.

 

 

 

Keep searching :

[vooovv]

that truly is a spectacular post well done!!!! :thumbsup: I really enjoyed reading it and perhaps the quest next week will answer a few of your questions. It only makes me want the quest even more.

[Psycho_Robot]

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Bigger picture I have from when I recorded the cutscene in fullscreen.

 

 

 

That's great! And huge :shock:

 

 

 

I'll add that right away!

[Shelby_Polo]

[hide=Yep, they are the same]

 

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Look half the symbol, and look at the floor from "Castle Dragonkin"

 

Yaaaa

[Ravenkana]

Oh and Psycho Robot, imagine the Runecrafting skillcape emote, and replace the runes with some history stuff, thats what I'm doing at the moment, IN YOUR FACE!! Calling me a washed up historian, shame on you! :shame:

 

I'll never apologize! I meant what I said!

 

 

 

I'm adding a new section to the main post about whether the dragonkin are related to the Mahjarrat.

 

 

 

Also, Frenaskrae is a PLACE not a race or a tribe. I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THIS. Any post or quote you see saying otherwise is a LIE AND A FORGERY! Probably made by my super-arch-nemesis Hippodo the washed up historian! Don't fall for his treachery! BEWARE!

You are obviously superior- your hypno toad avatar whispers this to me. ALL HAIL THE HYPNO TOAD!

 

 

 

And someone mentioned the symbol looking like the Stone of Jas. Someone else verified you see a similar symbol in Casa de Dragonkin. In Making History, I believe Guthix mentioned something about Elder Gods creating Runescape to the human family. What if the Elder Gods were Dragonkin? Incapable of reproducing because of their godhood, maybe when Guthix found the plane they left it to him out of fear of extinction given how powerful Guthix is supposed to be. Maybe collectively the Dragonkin are stronger, but alone they are weaker and they feared the death of their race.

[Hajutze]

if this is true or near the truth ... they could just use the stone of jas to kick guthix's [wagon] ...

[Psycho_Robot]

[hide=Yep, they are the same]

 

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Look half the symbol, and look at the floor from "Castle Dragonkin"

 

Yaaaa

 

 

 

That's a fantastic find! But before I can add it to the main post, Hippodo the washed up historian has to tell me exactly where he took that screenshot! Or someone else could I suppose.

[killjoyfuly]

wow i never thought id say this but you have reingited my old passion for runescape lore ill probably spend endless nights on kb now :wall: :wall:

 

 

 

thank you

[Choulapa87]

What about this? This could be a potential theory about Bob.

 

 

 

 

And another thing about Bob.

 

 

 

He took the form of both man and jaguar, in rebirth.

 

 

 

The Man domesticates the jaguar side, and turns it into a cat, yet retains the black form of the jaguar, and intelligence of man.

 

 

 

But wait.

 

 

 

A dragonkin died there too. Is it possible that a small amount of Dragonkin was mixed with Bob?

[Psycho_Robot]

What about this? This could be a potential theory about Bob.

 

 

 

 

And another thing about Bob.

 

 

 

He took the form of both man and jaguar, in rebirth.

 

 

 

The Man domesticates the jaguar side, and turns it into a cat, yet retains the black form of the jaguar, and intelligence of man.

 

 

 

But wait.

 

 

 

A dragonkin died there too. Is it possible that a small amount of Dragonkin was mixed with Bob?

 

 

 

To be honest I was never exactly clear why the heck Robert the Strong turned into a cat... I did the quest twice and never really figured that out... Its so weird :?

[Tesset]

What about this? This could be a potential theory about Bob.

 

 

 

 

And another thing about Bob.

 

 

 

He took the form of both man and jaguar, in rebirth.

 

 

 

The Man domesticates the jaguar side, and turns it into a cat, yet retains the black form of the jaguar, and intelligence of man.

 

 

 

But wait.

 

 

 

A dragonkin died there too. Is it possible that a small amount of Dragonkin was mixed with Bob?

 

 

 

To be honest I was never exactly clear why the heck Robert the Strong turned into a cat... I did the quest twice and never really figured that out... Its so weird :?

 

 

 

Well, Robert's cat Oddyseus(misspelled, I know) was incredibly strong(compared to the cats of today) and mostly died fighting the dragonkin. Maybe it was in honor of him? or maybe the dragonkin forced him to that shape. Note that I haven't done the quest, but those are my thoughts.

[losthopeandwings]

i dont think this grand master quest would just come out with the dragonkin immediately it seems runescape has been building up the legends of the dragonkin for years and its thare big mystery so they wouldn't just reveal it all in one quest im guessing that as u move deeper into the cave u enconter more powerfull dragons and more legends to the dragonkin another mystery that is unsolved is how all gods demi gods or heroes in some quest speak of going east as if their prepareing for something is this somehow involved with the dragonkin? we dont know but we do know if these are the 2 major story lines of runescape ive noticed so far they will not just spring it on us all at once as we sit here stupified they will drag it out to make the game as its ment to be to go on for what seems like forever

 

 

 

this is only my opinion i am a history buff about runescape myself i find it interesting just like greek and norse mythology

 

and your article was made brilliantly and u had alot of information it was quite interesting to read to further increases my nerd like powers xD

 

 

 

That is a good point. Even if the dragonkin themselves are behind the mithril door, its very unlikely that they will see us and say "Hey, an outsider got into our city! Come, come, let us show you around. Do you notice the floor? There's a funny story to go with that! You see..." No, I imagine the dragonkin would be rather ticked off at you for dropping in and would try to, um, kill you. If dragonkin are as powerful as I suspect, it won't be very hard. So there really might be a dragonkin city beyond there, but it its unlikely that the dragonkin will reveal very many of their secrets. In fact, they probably don't even speak english. Maybe french!

 

 

 

lol yes seeing as how all the dragons from ur information stated they want to kill us all there are probably deep ties from the first or 4th age that made them hate us since from what u said it is completely apparent they were the main race before humans on runescape so they have a eternity of hate for us and the mith cave seems a tad small for such a powerful race as them i doubt they would settle for living in a tiny little cave for thousands of years just to avoid puny humans if anything i would say their are more chambers behind the door like addy and rune dragons and after those 2 the dragonkin would reveal themselves if they experimented with mithril why not with the more powerful ores seeing as how some players can kill 6 mith dragons at a time they will want to make more powerful metal dragons anyways so players cant come and kill a bunch at a time secondly seeing as how powerful races rarely soil thare hands they would proboly send some horrific dragon like monster to kill you anyhow maybe they are creating a huge army to take back runescape and all the gods are going east to prepare for the attack maybe the gods going east is unrelated i doubt anything as powerfull as the gods would see the dragonkin as a threat even as powerful as they probably have become because well....thare gods

 

i doubt that we will be able to smith dragon weapons on the forge runescape seems to be against things like that also seeing as how you have to be one of the best smiths in runescape to make a rune plate making a dragon item would take even more experienced smithers and u just cant go past lv 99 lol it is proboly a quest related thing maybe you can make a metal dragon as a pet? idk maybe you have to make a dragon weapon just for that quest maybe it doesn't do anything or maybe you have to destroy ti to stop them from creating more dragons i was hopeing the grand master quest would reveal more about the gods going east to prepare for whatever but when it stated about the mithril dragons layer i was disappointed now that u stated about the dragonkin i kind of am more interested in finding out about that first

[Silver_Corner]

[hide=Yep, they are the same]

 

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Look half the symbol, and look at the floor from "Castle Dragonkin"

 

Yaaaa

 

 

 

That's a fantastic find! But before I can add it to the main post, Hippodo the washed up historian has to tell me exactly where he took that screenshot! Or someone else could I suppose.

 

 

 

Beat him to it :P

 

Here it is

 

 

 

 

and another one

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: And a Third AND fourth!

 

 

 

 

 

 

The location is only accessible after "Summers End". Also this hints that Summers end could be a Pre-Req. To the new quest?

 

 

 

This proves there is some sort of connection with the Dragonkin and the Stone of Jas, as they are both on the same Icon. Their connection likely wont be stated until the quest next week, but either way its interesting because it shows they both had to of been around the same time era.

 

 

 

Also important. The Figure is etched in a castle, possibly built by the Dragonkin. Maybe this is the castle in the Robert the Strong cutscenes, now in ruins, rather than Drakan castle? So if that were so, then the portal is not in Drakan castle, but rather deep in the wilderness, or both. Either way, its intresting.

 

 

 

Keep your eyes spotted for more of these symbols elsewhere. Perhaps take a walk around Drakan castle or more areas to see if any more show up?

 

 

 

Edit2: Now that I think about it, the Dragonkin symbols look ALOT like the ones in the Fist of Guthix. We assumed they were Saradomin symbols, but maybe their not? Maybe they were Dragonkin symbols all along.

[Zaaps1]

What FOG symbols?

[Aneron]

 

 

 

I'd say there's a pretty clear resemblance

 

 

 

wilderness castle is an interesting combination of both

 

 

 

wasn't it theorized that the fist of guthix is where the stone originally was before guthix put it in juna's cave?

[Zaaps1]

Ah you mean the actual Fist? Ok.

 

 

 

Yes, the Oracle once said "The great snake of guthix guards more than she knows" (Lol sounds like it's from the Bible or something). That's an idea, maybe see if the oracle has any more clues to offer other than that capes are always in fashion...

[Psycho_Robot]

[hide=Yep, they are the same]

 

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Look half the symbol, and look at the floor from "Castle Dragonkin"

 

Yaaaa

 

 

 

That's a fantastic find! But before I can add it to the main post, Hippodo the washed up historian has to tell me exactly where he took that screenshot! Or someone else could I suppose.

 

 

 

Beat him to it :P

 

Here it is

 

PICTURE

 

 

 

and another one

 

PICTURE

 

 

 

Edit: And a Third AND fourth!

 

PICTURE

 

 

 

The location is only accessible after "Summers End". Also this hints that Summers end could be a Pre-Req. To the new quest?

 

 

 

This proves there is some sort of connection with the Dragonkin and the Stone of Jas, as they are both on the same Icon. Their connection likely wont be stated until the quest next week, but either way its interesting because it shows they both had to of been around the same time era.

 

 

 

Also important. The Figure is etched in a castle, possibly built by the Dragonkin. Maybe this is the castle in the Robert the Strong cutscenes, now in ruins, rather than Drakan castle? So if that were so, then the portal is not in Drakan castle, but rather deep in the wilderness, or both. Either way, its intresting.

 

 

 

Keep your eyes spotted for more of these symbols elsewhere. Perhaps take a walk around Drakan castle or more areas to see if any more show up?

 

 

 

Edit2: Now that I think about it, the Dragonkin symbols look ALOT like the ones in the Fist of Guthix. We assumed they were Saradomin symbols, but maybe their not? Maybe they were Dragonkin symbols all along.

 

 

 

The symbol in the Fist of Guthix is, I'm fairly certain, the impression made by the Stone of Jas when it was pushed into the ground, possibly by Guthix himself. So the Stone of Jas symbol and the symbol in the Fist of Guthix are synonymous

 

 

 

By the way thanks for the pictures! I'll update the first post with them as soon as I can

[Winner5555]

Wow, very nice research, tons of things I didn't know, and now it looks like i'll have to go exploring 8-)

 

 

 

Nothing to add, except I can't wait for the new quest now

[sauromon222]

Wow good pictures you guys. =D> You actually found stuff he missed, which is good, I will be on the look out for more information as well. :^o :wall:

[Silver_Corner]

Actually I was refering to these FOG symbols:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They do look like Saradomin, but also have a resemblance to Dragonkin.

 

 

 

Also observing this, another interesting note... Saradomin's often claim other items for their own, such as the "Eye of Saradomin" (Stone of Jas), or Claiming that Saradomin created the world. The wise old man supports this fact. Its possible Saradomin might have stolen his symbol from the Dragonkin, as they symbols are quite simiar looking.

[cstrasiotto]

Lots of you were saying that the kin compared themselves with Guthix(or something similar)...perhaps they were saying that they were a creation gorm guthix, sort of made by him to act as a counter balance to the humans or whatever... I dont really know... you guys can work it out if you are so inclined...