With the latest quest's release, I'm more and more thinking that for the defeat of Lucien, we won't need entirely good chaps like we used in WGS. We are, according to the prophecy of Hazelmere, followers of Guthix, this leads me to the belief that we also need soms "bad guys" in Crux Equal to defeat Lucien.

 

Look at the Ritual: one of the Mahjarrat will be killed, I'm pretty sure some will unite to stop a slaughter on their side (AKA Zarosian side, Zamorakian side or maybe a Lucien side). Jhallan for exemple is someone who could fit for this, as he owes us his new place to undergo the Rejuvinating Ritual. But also think of Azzandra, he's (kind of) friendly towards us and he hates Lucien and Zamorakian Mahjarrats. Hazeel might help some of us too, because some of use helped reviving him. Finaly, there is Enakthos (I think), who also seems to appreciate us.

 

 

 

This all makes me really think that some nice quests are still to be seen. :P

 

Don't forget Ghost Rider.

 

 

 

I think you're forgetting that during the quest, Jhallan basically said that the Mahjarrats must fight eachother to survive. Looking at it from this way, they might not be entirely opposed to enemy forces killing their fellows for them. It sounds a bit like Highlander...

 

Also, during the quest, Jhallan implies that Mahjarrat aren't skeletal at full power.

 

 

 

As for Hazelmere and his prophecies, I'm quite unliking that they're not really giving us a choice about which side we support. For such big, ground-breaking quests, we shouldn't be so limited....

 

 

 

Maybe somewhere in all this the Shadow Sword will be upgraded to a respectable weapon... Or maybe the Blood, or Ice Sword.

 

 

 

If we have to one day fight the Dragonkin, or even a fully-powered Mahjarrat, I hope it's a huge team quest.

 

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They need to kill each other to survive, but only at the time of the ritual - if one dies between rituals it only hurts them because it means there is one less mahjarrat to potentially be sacrificed.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

Well, giving us a choice in the masterquest would lead to too many development. If Lucien for example wins because we *suddenly* become loyal to him, then the whole world will change I think, races as elves, gnomes, humans etc will be slaves and so every scenery should be changed. :P

 

Oh, no, I never meant to join Lucien. I meant for what god we follow. This could potentially change who we go to for help or what equipment we use and maybe even what rewards we get. I don't like Guthix or being forced to follow Guthixian ways or being labled Guthixian.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

 

 

Lucien, Zemouregal, and Jhallen, from my personal stash of pictures. I don't have chat heads of anything out pre-HD. I won't check right now but General Khazard probably still has a plain skull for a head - no fangs or gems or glowing eyes.

 

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I think they will be some ways of completing it: we either killed Hazeel ot disturbed his resurrection. This one thing shall play some role here.

 

 

 

Also, I'm getting curious: why are Zarosians, Azzanadra and Jhallan, described as not evil by Ali the Wise? Was Zaros the good guy?

 

 

 

 

They need to kill each other to survive, but only at the time of the ritual - if one dies between rituals it only hurts them because it means there is one less mahjarrat to potentially be sacrificed.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

 

 

If one dies between Rituals, it doesn't make any difference: Lucien, Hazeel, Khazard already died. I think the only way of destroying a Mahjarrat is their Ritual, in which they face the void: death?

very nice theard, i liked all what i read, except for one point.

 

 

 

in your final conclusion, you said guthix took the stone with him, barbarians that turned into lunar mages stole it, guthixians got it back, and then lucien stole it. i have evidence to prove it wrong.

 

 

 

as proved in other forums, "eye of saradomin", "fist of guthix" (and some belive zamorak also got it, combined with staff of armadyl to take zaros godhood, wich makes sense why lucien tried to get it aswell), all refer to the stone of jas. if you'll go to the shadow realm in chaos temple near bounty hunter, he'll tell you that it was passed between the gods while the god wars. so maybe as we was in WGS cutsence, barbarian did touched it and turned a new "race" of lunar mages, but stone of jas passed much more times. this would be my guess:

 

 

 

-jas let dragonkin to protect the stone, and they or used it or saved on it.

 

-*someone* took from them the stone. my guess would be saradomin, as his iceyne(sp?) took the morytania castle after them, they most likely took that aswell. but it may be also zamorak for taking the godhood from zaros. meanwhile dragonkin starts to hide or join a side of god?

 

-while the godwars, that's one (or maybe even main reason) they fought for. passed between at least the 2 gods saradomin and zamorak (spirit in shadow realm at chaos temple says so) and about bandos and armadyl it's unknown.

 

-at end guthix get's angry and stops the war, armadyl is leaving because *he thinks* all his avainsies are dead. bandos, saradomin and zamorak suspended and guthix take the stone to stop the fight over this huge power.

 

-humans gain acess to magic and start controlling the lands they do today

 

-(theory) dragonkin notice theres no gods, and they only need to invide and try to take by their own the stone of jas. (end of theory) as we see in the cats quest, robert the strong was manage to fight and kill at least 1 dragonkin, and eventually the dragonkin must go back to hide.

 

-lucien gets staff of armadyl (theory) and he finds out zamorak used also secretly stone of jas power to get the godhood (/theory) lucien aims to get also the stone of jas, and after the player manage to find it for him he's stealing it, and the dragonkin notice.

 

-majharrat ritual/dragonkin back - very epic grandmaster quest....

 

 

 

from that i see dragonkin were most of the time behind the scences. their trying to take the stone while theres no god to stop them, like before gods arrive gielinor or when only leftover from godwars is left. they most likely trying to get it again, because not only the place of the stone is now known to them, they have only 1 foe to take it from, a majharrat that *supposed* to be weakened since the last ritual, he have 2 great artifacts that make him incredibly strong, but i'm sure the dragonkin prefer to take it from him before he'll be in ritual and have full power...or zaros or any other god is back for second godwars...will the dragonkin sucess? the dragon weps we used every day made them strong enought?

 

 

 

hope you understand all, i was kinda rush and out of time...hope at least some of this helps, even if that's more stone of jas related than dragonkin related :?

very nice theard, i liked all what i read, except for one point.

 

 

 

in your final conclusion, you said guthix took the stone with him, barbarians that turned into lunar mages stole it, guthixians got it back, and then lucien stole it. i have evidence to prove it wrong.

 

 

 

as proved in other forums, "eye of saradomin", "fist of guthix" (and some belive zamorak also got it, combined with staff of armadyl to take zaros godhood, wich makes sense why lucien tried to get it aswell), all refer to the stone of jas. if you'll go to the shadow realm in chaos temple near bounty hunter, he'll tell you that it was passed between the gods while the god wars. so maybe as we was in WGS cutsence, barbarian did touched it and turned a new "race" of lunar mages, but stone of jas passed much more times. this would be my guess:

 

 

 

-jas let dragonkin to protect the stone, and they or used it or saved on it.

 

-*someone* took from them the stone. my guess would be saradomin, as his iceyne(sp?) took the morytania castle after them, they most likely took that aswell. but it may be also zamorak for taking the godhood from zaros. meanwhile dragonkin starts to hide or join a side of god?

 

-while the godwars, that's one (or maybe even main reason) they fought for. passed between at least the 2 gods saradomin and zamorak (spirit in shadow realm at chaos temple says so) and about bandos and armadyl it's unknown.

 

-at end guthix get's angry and stops the war, armadyl is leaving because *he thinks* all his avainsies are dead. bandos, saradomin and zamorak suspended and guthix take the stone to stop the fight over this huge power.

 

-humans gain acess to magic and start controlling the lands they do today

 

-(theory) dragonkin notice theres no gods, and they only need to invide and try to take by their own the stone of jas. (end of theory) as we see in the cats quest, robert the strong was manage to fight and kill at least 1 dragonkin, and eventually the dragonkin must go back to hide.

 

-lucien gets staff of armadyl (theory) and he finds out zamorak used also secretly stone of jas power to get the godhood (/theory) lucien aims to get also the stone of jas, and after the player manage to find it for him he's stealing it, and the dragonkin notice.

 

-majharrat ritual/dragonkin back - very epic grandmaster quest....

 

 

 

from that i see dragonkin were most of the time behind the scences. their trying to take the stone while theres no god to stop them, like before gods arrive gielinor or when only leftover from godwars is left. they most likely trying to get it again, because not only the place of the stone is now known to them, they have only 1 foe to take it from, a majharrat that *supposed* to be weakened since the last ritual, he have 2 great artifacts that make him incredibly strong, but i'm sure the dragonkin prefer to take it from him before he'll be in ritual and have full power...or zaros or any other god is back for second godwars...will the dragonkin sucess? the dragon weps we used every day made them strong enought?

 

 

 

hope you understand all, i was kinda rush and out of time...hope at least some of this helps, even if that's more stone of jas related than dragonkin related

 

 

 

That might've been a really good post if I could have understood what the hell you just said. :-s

I think they will be some ways of completing it: we either killed Hazeel ot disturbed his resurrection. This one thing shall play some role here.

 

 

 

Also, I'm getting curious: why are Zarosians, Azzanadra and Jhallan, described as not evil by Ali the Wise? Was Zaros the good guy?

 

 

 

 

They need to kill each other to survive, but only at the time of the ritual - if one dies between rituals it only hurts them because it means there is one less mahjarrat to potentially be sacrificed.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

 

 

If one dies between Rituals, it doesn't make any difference: Lucien, Hazeel, Khazard already died. I think the only way of destroying a Mahjarrat is their Ritual, in which they face the void: death?

 

So we must use the ritual to kill Lucien! It sort of fits, doesn't it? We somehow aid the other Mahjarrat in killing Lucien.

But considering how strong they are now, after the ritual, they'll be even stronger and play a bigger and nastier role in the future. Or they'll leave to go do some stuff. Whatever.

I think they will be some ways of completing it: we either killed Hazeel ot disturbed his resurrection. This one thing shall play some role here.

 

 

 

Also, I'm getting curious: why are Zarosians, Azzanadra and Jhallan, described as not evil by Ali the Wise? Was Zaros the good guy?

 

 

 

 

They need to kill each other to survive, but only at the time of the ritual - if one dies between rituals it only hurts them because it means there is one less mahjarrat to potentially be sacrificed.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

 

 

If one dies between Rituals, it doesn't make any difference: Lucien, Hazeel, Khazard already died. I think the only way of destroying a Mahjarrat is their Ritual, in which they face the void: death?

 

So we must use the ritual to kill Lucien! It sort of fits, doesn't it? We somehow aid the other Mahjarrat in killing Lucien.

 

 

 

When Zammy got Zaros's power he was just a warrior. Lucien was a insanely powerful mage, he got the Godstaff of Armadyl then got Stone of Jas which gave Zammy power to become a God and strengthened Guthix and Sara, and even without the power of God himself he is considered to have god-like power. Imagine if he gets more power from the Ritual and then attacks Zamorak...

 

We have to kill him! Jhallan, Akthanakos and Azzanadra should help, as he supported the rebel, but after Lucien is sacrificed all Zamorakians are about to become stronger; We don't stand a chance :? he will die but others will cause us a big threat...

 

 

 

One other thought: Anybody has transcript of what balance elemental says? I thought of one gnome, natural follower of Guthix, particularly skilled in magic and also in melee skills...

I think they will be some ways of completing it: we either killed Hazeel ot disturbed his resurrection. This one thing shall play some role here.

 

 

 

Also, I'm getting curious: why are Zarosians, Azzanadra and Jhallan, described as not evil by Ali the Wise? Was Zaros the good guy?

 

 

 

 

They need to kill each other to survive, but only at the time of the ritual - if one dies between rituals it only hurts them because it means there is one less mahjarrat to potentially be sacrificed.

 

 

 

I assume those pictures are jhallan, zemouregal, and lucien but what order are they? or is one khazard/akthanakos o.o

 

 

If one dies between Rituals, it doesn't make any difference: Lucien, Hazeel, Khazard already died. I think the only way of destroying a Mahjarrat is their Ritual, in which they face the void: death?

 

So we must use the ritual to kill Lucien! It sort of fits, doesn't it? We somehow aid the other Mahjarrat in killing Lucien.

 

 

 

When Zammy got Zaros's power he was just a warrior. Lucien was a insanely powerful mage, he got the Godstaff of Armadyl then got Stone of Jas which gave Zammy power to become a God and strengthened Guthix and Sara, and even without the power of God himself he is considered to have god-like power. Imagine if he gets more power from the Ritual and then attacks Zamorak...

 

We have to kill him! Jhallan, Akthanakos and Azzanadra should help, as he supported the rebel, but after Lucien is sacrificed all Zamorakians are about to become stronger; We don't stand a chance :? he will die but others will cause us a big threat...

 

 

 

One other thought: Anybody has transcript of what balance elemental says? I thought of one gnome, natural follower of Guthix, particularly skilled in magic and also in melee skills...

 

 

 

I think that when this ritual takes place, it will naturally turn into a two sided affair between those that sided Zaros and those that sided with Zamorak. After that, it's anyone's guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if the sacrifice of Lucien + Armadyl Staff + power from the Stone of Jas would result in the return of Zaros.

Do you think Lucien may lose the fight? He has godly powers, while Zemouregal failed to claim the Shield of Arrav, Hazeel is weak, Khazard Dead, Azzanadra somehow weakened, Akthanakos weakened by thousands of years, Enakhra has broken power. It is unlikely, however nice theory about His return. I used to follow Guthix since I got to know about Gods, however if Zaros proves not to be bad I may change this; His story is fascinating...

Do you think Lucien may lose the fight? He has godly powers, while Zemouregal failed to claim the Shield of Arrav, Hazeel is weak, Khazard Dead, Azzanadra somehow weakened, Akthanakos weakened by thousands of years, Enakhra has broken power. It is unlikely, however nice theory about His return. I used to follow Guthix since I got to know about Gods, however if Zaros proves not to be bad I may change this; His story is fascinating...

 

 

 

Personally, if I had to guess, with all these guys not being at their full strength, Lucien is going to attempt to sacrifice all of Zarosian Mahjarrat to garner the necessary power to achieve godhood. I mean, Zammy used the power of Zaros to get himself Godhood, so maybe the power of a half dozen or so Mahjarrat would do the trick.

 

 

 

However, again, this is me guessing, we'll somehow interfere to stop him, and the others will kill off the Zamorakian Mahjarrat and use that power (hazeel, zemouregal, Enahkra, Lucien, etc) plus the Staff of Arma, and the Stone of Jas to resurrect Zaros.

So I take it that the Stone of Jas has miraculous powers that can bend life itself?

 

 

 

- Gives you incredible power.

 

- Power that allowed a race to destroy life on an entire world.

 

- Alters life around it. (Cave Goblins/Goblins, Dragons/Dragonkin, Lunar/Fremennik etc..)

 

 

 

Whoever this Jas person is, it must have incredible power...

I'm looking forward to the next quest in this series :D.

So I take it that the Stone of Jas has miraculous powers that can bend life itself?

 

 

 

- Gives you incredible power.

 

- Power that allowed a race to destroy life on an entire world.

 

- Alters life around it. (Cave Goblins/Goblins, Dragons/Dragonkin, Lunar/Fremennik etc..)

 

 

 

Whoever this Jas person is, it must have incredible power...

 

 

 

Jas is believed to be one of the Elder Gods. However we know only that he is/was a person that enslaved the Dragonkin to protect his Stone. Also, Stone doesn't alter life around: Goblins changed because of living under surface, Dragonkin created dragons, only one of the Fremennik touched the Stone and he understood magic, it was their beliefs which caused them to separate.

 

 

 

I'm not sure about destroying whole planet... Guthix only supplied his power with Stone's.

Just wanna say that the fist of guthix is where the stone of jas once was... look at it on a small fog world and it has the honey-comb look the the stone does 8-)

Just wanna say that the fist of guthix is where the stone of jas once was... look at it on a small fog world and it has the honey-comb look the the stone does 8-)

 

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Also, are the Elder Gods 'dead', or sleeping, or what?

Also, are the Elder Gods 'dead', or sleeping, or what?

 

We know they're not around anymore, but that's about it. And we're not even certain about that.

Also, are the Elder Gods 'dead', or sleeping, or what?

 

We know they're not around anymore, but that's about it. And we're not even certain about that.

 

All we know about the elder gods is that they're not walking around talking to us.

Also, are the Elder Gods 'dead', or sleeping, or what?

 

We know they're not around anymore, but that's about it. And we're not even certain about that.

 

All we know about the elder gods is that they're not walking around talking to us.

 

 

 

Says who?

 

 

 

Also, are the Elder Gods 'dead', or sleeping, or what?

 

We know they're not around anymore, but that's about it. And we're not even certain about that.

 

All we know about the elder gods is that they're not walking around talking to us.

 

 

 

Says who?

 

 

 

 

So sayeth I, demigod of all things Dragonkin!

what if you are one of the elder gods reborn moral? ;P that means we see thousands of eldergods a day. lol

what if you are one of the elder gods reborn moral? ;P that means we see thousands of eldergods a day. lol

 

If it turns out that the elder gods are actually the players themselves, or something corny like that, I'm gonna be really pissed :lol:

jagex arent that stupid; i was just having a joke :P

jagex arent that stupid; i was just having a joke :P

 

Sorry son, but dragonkin are

 

jagex arent that stupid; i was just having a joke :P

 

Sorry son, but dragonkin are

 

 

what? dragonkin...serious? never! they are cute little bunnies! cute, psychotic, malicious and deadly bunnies, that is