Our Generation

Deiophobus · November 23, 2008

Officially, our generation is older than 19.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y

Lenticular_J · November 23, 2008

You guys are all whiny little buggers. I just felt like saying this.

Quoi_Tu · November 23, 2008

Since no one's posted it:

[hide=The Who]People try to put us d-down (talkin bout my generation)

People try to put us d-down (talkin bout my generation)

Just because we get around (talkin bout my generation)

Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin bout my generation)

I hope I die before I get old (talkin bout my generation)

This is my generation

This is my generation, baby

Why dont you all f-fade away (talkin bout my generation)

And dont try to dig what we all s-s-say (talkin bout my generation)

Im not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (talkin bout my generation)

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This is my generation

This is my generation, baby

Why dont you all f-fade away (talkin bout my generation)

And dont try to d-dig what we all s-s-say (talkin bout my generation)

Im not trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (talkin bout my generation)

Im just talkin bout my g-g-generation (talkin bout my generation)

This is my generation

This is my generation, baby

People try to put us d-down (talkin bout my generation)

Just because we g-g-get around (talkin bout my generation)

Things they do look awful c-c-cold (talkin bout my generation)

Yeah, I hope I die before I get old (talkin bout my generation)

This is my generation

This is my generation, baby

This is my generation, baby[/hide]

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

You don't teach kids by hitting them. It does work, but it also creates fear and hate associated with the hitting and eventually with the one hitting. By hitting them you can also unknowingly be teaching them that if someone does something bad, you hit them. Parents can yell at their kids though and then as punishment for whatever they did, deprive them of something they like, such as computer games. If a kid knows that he won't be able to play computer games for a 5 days if he stays out late, then he will stay out late less often.

Wouter828 · November 23, 2008

I think it's true that kids are generally getting more feral, loosing respect for parents, etc. You could probably put it down to crappy parenting for the most part. This whole attitude that parents have to be friends to their kids is nonsense and needs to change. Parents are the authority figure, and should act as such. Sure, after some time the parents role as authority figure will morph into being friends, but younger kids (up to the age of 15, especially) need to be taught respect and be given boundaries.

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

That is not the way it works. Hitting a child won't teach him anything other than that violence is THE way to get what you want and that hitting people to make them do things is nothing short of normal.

My mom has never hit me, she always told me what was and what wasn't acceptable, and if I got into a fight with her we might've gotten very angry at eachother, but she never used her hands, only words or punishment in the form of no pocket money or go to your room.

The need of a parent using violence to make a his kid do what he wants is a very sad example of a very sad person, powerless in words against a 3 year old. They have an undeveloped sense of

cause => consequence and don't reason like adults. A hard hand won't help develop that part of the brain.

Your kid doesn't listen to you and doesn't seem to understand your reasoning or why rules exist, what wrong or right it? No waaaaii! Just give him a good smack, so he really feels the pain, and not just once, if he ever does it again just hit him even harder so that everytime he gets the urge sometime in his life, he'll remember the pain. Sure, that should do him good.

Say what? He hit a girl in school for taking his candy? I wonder where he learnt that behaviour! Time for a good spanking. :roll:

Parents like that have issues.

RichieMcD · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

Wouter828 · November 23, 2008

You guys are all whiny little buggers. I just felt like saying this.

no u

Riku3220 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Wouter828 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Why not just sit in the corner for 5 minutes? Why 'smack your kids [wagon] a little' aswell? I was never hit by my mother and I still listened to her eventually. Most parents just don't have the patience.

Riku3220 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Why not just sit in the corner for 5 minutes? Why 'smack your kids [wagon] a little' aswell? I was never hit by my mother and I still listened to her eventually. Most parents just don't have the patience.

because 99.9% of children have a "Oh big deal, she's not going to do anything to me except put me in a corner" mentality. The hitting will make the child not want to be hit again, thus will try harder not to do what got him in trouble.

Lenticular_J · November 23, 2008

Meh, my parents used physical punishment with me, and I'll use it on my kids.

Hurts like hell. But they also used mind games on me.

Ginger_Warrior · November 23, 2008

The kids of today are no more worse than the kids of a generation ago, or the kids when Plato was still around.

If you don't like popular culture, don't indulge yourself in it. I can't say I'm the norm for my age either, but I'm not gonna sit here and [bleep] about other people my age when their lives are really none of my business.

Zierro · November 23, 2008

You could probably put it down to crappy parenting for the most part.

I also think it has to do with the law system too. Practically any form of punishment can be considered child abuse nowadays. I remember stories my grandparents told me about how their parents punished them severely... and it worked wonders on them.

You don't teach kids by hitting them. It does work, but it also creates fear and hate associated with the hitting and eventually with the one hitting. By hitting them you can also unknowingly be teaching them that if someone does something bad, you hit them. Parents can yell at their kids though and then as punishment for whatever they did, deprive them of something they like, such as computer games. If a kid knows that he won't be able to play computer games for a 5 days if he stays out late, then he will stay out late less often.

It's more of the natural cause and effect type of thing. You know, operant conditioning. And scientifically speaking, it does work.

The kids of today are no more worse than the kids of a generation ago, or the kids when Plato was still around.

I do think there is a decrescendo of respect.

Wouter828 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Why not just sit in the corner for 5 minutes? Why 'smack your kids [wagon] a little' aswell? I was never hit by my mother and I still listened to her eventually. Most parents just don't have the patience.

because 99.9% of children have a "Oh big deal, she's not going to do anything to me except put me in a corner" mentality. The hitting will make the child not want to be hit again, thus will try harder not to do what got him in trouble.

How does a kid compare it to anything worse when you haven't done anything like that to the kid before? Standing in the corner might be taken as worse as getting hit, by a kid who has never been hit before. If you don't give it anything to compare the kid sumply can't. Also, standing in the corner is often very effective in combination with talking to the kid why you've punished it that way and what shouldn't be done next time. You should watch one of those programs about raising kids, you know, when the professional comes over to teach desperate helpless, children hitting parents to do it the right and effective way.

Quoi_Tu · November 23, 2008

because 99.9% of children have a "Oh big deal, she's not going to do anything to me except put me in a corner" mentality. The hitting will make the child not want to be hit again, thus will try harder not to do what got him in trouble.

They might rethink that mentality if they have to sit in the corner all day, or go with out any source of fun for a day. I'd almost rather be hit a few times and allowed to go about my day than have to spend time bored in a corner.

The kids of today are no more worse than the kids of a generation ago, or the kids when Plato was still around.

If you don't like popular culture, don't indulge yourself in it. I can't say I'm the norm for my age either, but I'm not gonna sit here and [bleep] about other people my age when their lives are really none of my business.

I noticed the same thing in highschool with regard towards freshmen height. Each year, the class above freshmen, sophomores and higher usually, would say that this freshmen class was the shortest they had seen. They did this every year I was there without fail, seeming not to realize that they were the ones getting taller.

Riku3220 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Why not just sit in the corner for 5 minutes? Why 'smack your kids [wagon] a little' aswell? I was never hit by my mother and I still listened to her eventually. Most parents just don't have the patience.

because 99.9% of children have a "Oh big deal, she's not going to do anything to me except put me in a corner" mentality. The hitting will make the child not want to be hit again, thus will try harder not to do what got him in trouble.

How does a kid compare it to anything worse when you haven't done anything like that to the kid before? Standing in the corner might be taken as worse as getting hit, by a kid who has never been hit before. If you don't give it anything to compare the kid sumply can't. Also, standing in the corner is often very effective in combination with talking to the kid why you've punished it that way and what shouldn't be done next time. You should watch one of those programs about raising kids, you know, when the professional comes over to teach desperate helpless, children hitting parents to do it the right and effective way.

Hit the child, make them stand in corner, talk to them about what they did. All 3 work well when put together. Hitting them shows dominance which a parent must have, having time-out is the punishment, and talking to them afterwards makes them understand what they did wrong and why not to do it again.

Ginger_Warrior · November 23, 2008

The kids of today are no more worse than the kids of a generation ago, or the kids when Plato was still around.

I do think there is a decrescendo of respect.

Where?

And is this really exclusive to our generation or is it more representative of a wider erosion of respect in the whole of society, adults included?

Personally, I come onto Tip.It, I see plenty of people my age here and there's plenty of respect for each other in comparison to the rest of the Internet. I see people my age are much more politically aware than they were a generation ago. The number of kids these days who would take the [bleep] out of a gay person, or a black person are much less than twenty years ago. I think less kids would have come out against the Iraq War twenty years ago than did five years ago. I go out, and if I'm not drinking, people my age respect that. Twenty years ago, I'd have been called weird for not wanting to get drunk.

I just think we have a habit of blowing crime and disrespect out of all proportion. Forty years ago, there were riots in America. How likely do you think that is now?

Hit the child, make them stand in corner, talk to them about what they did. All 3 work well when put together. Hitting them shows dominance which a parent must have, having time-out is the punishment, and talking to them afterwards makes them understand what they did wrong and why not to do it again.

It doesn't. It teaches them using or threatening violence is a method of getting what they want out of someone.

Zierro · November 23, 2008

Where?

And is this really exclusive to our generation or is it more representative of a wider erosion of respect in the whole of society, adults included?

Sorry, I guess I should have specified - the respect kids give adults nowadays. And yeah, I meant the latter.

I do have to say that sex has always been about the same - the only difference is that the media accepts it nowadays. But back then, incest, pedophilia, and all that were common practices until just a little while ago.

Saru Inc · November 23, 2008

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but yea... this generation is garbage.

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sooo hot.

Agreed. I'd hit that, but I wouldn't stick around long enough to hear her talk.

God no, Rihanna ftw. ;) ;)

Oh well, each generation has degraded, I bet people in the last one, were hated by their parents, because of stuff we don't even care about.

And not all music is like that. But, I'll agree with you there on the movies, I like the classics better, really an awesome plot is alllll I need. It's also giving us all an attention span of 5.432 seconds.

gedboy2112 · November 23, 2008

Everyone sees our generation (10-19) as animals who have no moral standards and only act upon sexual instinct. Its becoming more true by the minute, with new contraceptives and ideas that casual sex is okay.

I agree with what you say.

Ya know I sorta think that casual sex is not to bad, it's PLEASURE/REPRODUCTION nothing anymore.

Wouter828 · November 23, 2008

Well parenting can be blamed. The parents nurturing and not wanting to yell at their kids because "It's not right." The kids then grow up thinking that they can do anything and have no respect. Another reason is parents not smacking kids. I hate that. If you do something wrong, you get smacked. Not "Tommy, stealing is wrong and you should think before you do it next time. Ok? I love you precious."

Just smack the kid. They'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned you must have a serious lack of parenting and communication skills if you must hit someone much weaker than you to either gain respect or get your point across. That method also teaches that if you want something done then use violence, and where does that get us?

Might as well beat your spouse if they do something out of line :roll:

No that method teaches "I've told you 5 times to stop climbing onto everything, you didn't stop and you got punished"

Seriously were you never hit as a child for being bad? It's not like you punch them in the face or anything just smack their [wagon] a little and make them sit in a corner for 5 minutes and when you progress into your teenage years 5 minutes turn into weeks/months. This method has taught me to listen to adults when they tell you to do something.

I think they should bring back the paddle in schools -.-

Why not just sit in the corner for 5 minutes? Why 'smack your kids [wagon] a little' aswell? I was never hit by my mother and I still listened to her eventually. Most parents just don't have the patience.

because 99.9% of children have a "Oh big deal, she's not going to do anything to me except put me in a corner" mentality. The hitting will make the child not want to be hit again, thus will try harder not to do what got him in trouble.

How does a kid compare it to anything worse when you haven't done anything like that to the kid before? Standing in the corner might be taken as worse as getting hit, by a kid who has never been hit before. If you don't give it anything to compare the kid sumply can't. Also, standing in the corner is often very effective in combination with talking to the kid why you've punished it that way and what shouldn't be done next time. You should watch one of those programs about raising kids, you know, when the professional comes over to teach desperate helpless, children hitting parents to do it the right and effective way.

Hit the child, make them stand in corner, talk to them about what they did. All 3 work well when put together. Hitting them shows dominance which a parent must have, having time-out is the punishment, and talking to them afterwards makes them understand what they did wrong and why not to do it again.

It does not show dominance, maybe to the kid, and even then only at the moment, but in a world full of grown ups your just a sad person not able of handeling their kid without using the violent way. And in the end your kids grow up to be an ethic failure and a problem to society.

dragoonson · November 23, 2008

Both of you aren't exactly right.The hitting is more of a sign that "I have given the [bleep] up on you" to the child,and should only be used when wronging is continuous.Its not seen as being unable to discipline your child,as many parents do it.

They do not neccesarily become "failures",since they realise that its a pretty big deal to be given up by your parents,see.

Zierro · November 23, 2008

What the hell is up with the taboo against physical pain? :lol: You guys are acting like you have a mental disease if you do something that causes pain upon someone.

No pain no gain!

Ginger_Warrior · November 23, 2008

Sorry, I guess I should have specified - the respect kids give adults nowadays. And yeah, I meant the latter.

Kids rebel against authority. Have done since the times of ancient Greek city states. What age exactly was Joan d'Arc? It's just a fact of life, and so far as I can see, over half of children in the UK go to college and the vast majority will still get on fine with their peers.

It's part of growing up, learning to see things for yourself.

Zierro · November 23, 2008

We could really get into this, because I'm positive that kids are becoming more and more disrespectful towards adults and you seem to be positive that they're not, but it is just going to turn into a battle of our own personal experiences.

Tribal · November 23, 2008

I love our generation. The reason you DON'T is because you're probably not enjoying it. EVERY generation is looked at "Wow, they're so crazy" and the next generation will show up and SHOW US UP on how crazy you can get. It's a never ending cycle that will be repeated time and time again.

Live it up, drink it down, smoke it up, get with girls, go to parties, get TWISTED. If you don't live it up now, you never will and you will regret it.

if I could take it all back now I wouldn't I would of done more [cabbage] that people said that I shouldn't.. but we're all grown up now and outdated and graduated and better drugs been updated.Cmon you're still young you got a lot of drugs to do, girls to screw parties to crash sucks to be you - EMINEM

Live every day like its your last.

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