Dragon - Taking A New Turn?

[Mike_Ike111]

I have never seen someone come up to a level 70 and say, "Nice Torag's Platebody!!". But as soon as he puts on his Dragon Plate the tide of conversation changes.

 

 

 

It isn't about how good defense something is. If it was, party hats would be next to nothing and most treasure trail rewards would be useless. People in this game are rich, and they need a way to get rid of their money. In most cases, the better of items aren't too expensive, so they go to the rare to get items.

[Aneron]

If Jagex wants reasonably priced dragon armor they will have to make it easier to get - it has become such an iconic part of RS that there will be great demand for anything that can't be bought from a shop. An item that must be made from 3 other items, attainable only by doing the hardest quest in the game or killing many level 450 demons that use every attack style and protection prayers is going to be very expensive.

 

 

 

I agree that in terms of stats dragon is pretty inferior to the alternatives (and repairing barrows doesn't cost nearly enough to make the massive bonuses not worth it). The trouble is, making currently existing armors easier to get would make them crash and be pretty unfair to the people who have them. And there aren't that many more pieces to release.

 

 

 

I think it would be completely reasonable to make those items easier to get when/if they are released though.

 

 

 

It's all about whether jagex wants dragon armor to be a status symbol or a practical armor.

[Creator288]

Dragon armour, including the new plate shards, are really easy to get.

 

Do'nt forget, that dragon armours' used to be a symbol of wealth, but sence then the market has been over run with dragon skirts, Dmeds, ect they have become too common.

 

To fix this problem I believe JaGex should ATLEAST lower the drop rates on certain monsters, the less often a player gets the drop, the less there will be on the market, right? Of course my theory couldn't help the amount of items already present on the market.

 

 

 

Another idea i've thought through was how EASY to kill the monsters that drop dragon items are, such as king black dragon, steel\iron\bronze dragons, ect. so why not make them a little...more challenging. The number one thing I hate to see is a ranger pure (lvl 60-70 something) camping steel dragons, so I believe JaGex should make metal dragons walk to melee you if you stand at a distance, as well as throwing fire from a ways off. (sorry to those non-pures who don't like my idea, but a lot of people melee with prayer anyways, so I like the idea.)

 

 

 

On a different note, why have so many different monsters drop dragon items? JaGex should narrow the drops down a bit.

 

such as fire giants and abyssal demons, why should they drop Dmeds? or why have nearly every monster drop Dspears and Left halfs?

 

 

 

I don't know if i have the right idea or not, but mabye after some time it would help increase the prices...or mabye not, whos to say.

[AndyPandy]

You all should remember that when the Dragon Medium Helm was released, the prices were way high, and people just like you were ranting about how they were being overpriced and manipulated by the rich merchants of the time. Back then, the GP was worth more, and 4 years ago, items above 5m were considered expensive, and now when we see a new item come out for 5m, that is extremely dirt cheap. Why is this happening? Inflation in the RuneScape economy over time. So when we talk about items from 4 years ago, they are directly related to today's items. Now, some of the last of the dragon armor is being released, most notably, the Dragon Platebody. Everyone here is complaining how it is so "overpriced." All you should remember that 4 years ago the rich merchants (AKA today's Jagex through the G.E.) raised prices extremely high for the Dragon Medium Helm, and eventually, the prices fall. Dragon Med Helm is now extremely cheap, and the same will happen for the Dragon Platebody.

 

 

 

The exact same cycle happens for every dragon item release and always will.

 

 

 

Deal888

 

 

 

Explain how this has happened for the DFH?

[Cha0sx]

The Dragon Plate is already crashing. I can't sell my shard that I got for a drop 700k less than max.

 

 

 

It's just so easy to get the parts from the new demons. They are much easier than people who haven't been there think. IF you have decent prayer swithching skills and stats you can get around 10 soloed a trip. If higher you can even get up to 20 kills a trip maybe 25 with brews at max combats with the best gear and some skills/luck.

 

 

 

Dragon claws seem rarer to me, as me and my friend only found 1(but coinshared it, argh!) while we found 3 dragon plate parts.

[PastyGangsta]

Dragon armour has evolved into something only the rich can afford, or would want to use. Barrows is cheaper, better, and more in-touch with the average 'Scaper.

 

 

 

I'd love a full set of dragon armour, though not for the stats. It just looks sick. :thumbsup:

[Toad]

Dragon armour has evolved into something only the rich can afford, or would want to use. Barrows is cheaper, better, and more in-touch with the average 'Scaper.

 

 

 

I'd love a full set of dragon armour, though not for the stats. It just looks sick. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

dragon isnt what rich people want. godswords 3rd age is or bandos which is seriously cheap now

[Huta]

You all should remember that when the Dragon Medium Helm was released, the prices were way high, and people just like you were ranting about how they were being overpriced and manipulated by the rich merchants of the time. Back then, the GP was worth more, and 4 years ago, items above 5m were considered expensive, and now when we see a new item come out for 5m, that is extremely dirt cheap. Why is this happening? Inflation in the RuneScape economy over time. So when we talk about items from 4 years ago, they are directly related to today's items. Now, some of the last of the dragon armor is being released, most notably, the Dragon Platebody. Everyone here is complaining how it is so "overpriced." All you should remember that 4 years ago the rich merchants (AKA today's Jagex through the G.E.) raised prices extremely high for the Dragon Medium Helm, and eventually, the prices fall. Dragon Med Helm is now extremely cheap, and the same will happen for the Dragon Platebody.

 

 

 

The exact same cycle happens for every dragon item release and always will.

 

 

 

Deal888

 

 

 

Explain how this has happened for the DFH?

 

 

 

Hasn't been out long enough, yet.

[darkjab]

The Dragon Plate is already crashing. I can't sell my shard that I got for a drop 700k less than max.

 

 

 

It's just so easy to get the parts from the new demons. They are much easier than people who haven't been there think. IF you have decent prayer swithching skills and stats you can get around 10 soloed a trip. If higher you can even get up to 20 kills a trip maybe 25 with brews at max combats with the best gear and some skills/luck.

 

 

 

Dragon claws seem rarer to me, as me and my friend only found 1(but coinshared it, argh!) while we found 3 dragon plate parts.

 

 

 

Maybe you can't sell the shard because people are trying to buy one of the other shards or the actual platebody. And as long as one of those are being sold for max price or above med price, then all the other pieces can rise!

 

 

 

You have to consider that the price will change overall depending on four items not one, they are all interconnected (much like visage's and dragonfire shields, godsword blades and godswords etc). I don't see the platebody itself dropping at all on the G.E and until it does, it's not crashing.

[Master_Smither]

The dragon plates are crashing now because smithers got the idea to buy shards and then sell plates causing too many plates in the market for the demand. They can't sell lowest I believe.

[Outsanity]

When has Dragon EVER been for stats over look and wealth?

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but how long have you been playing? Did you know that the Dragon Chainbody upon released was selling at a steady 40-50M gp for quite a while?

 

 

 

Dragon is and always will be for looks over stats.

[Kimberly]

Meh...for Dragon Armor to not be scoffed at by the general public, Barrows has to become more expensive to maintain.

 

 

 

Personally, I love my dragon armor but when I'm doing slayer tasks, stats are more crucial than looks. (By the way, does anyone else hate the look of just about all Barrows Armor? Blech!)

 

 

 

I'd like it if ALL dragon-based armor became just as hard to get. (Ie you need a Ruined Dragon Plateskirt, dragon lumps, etc plus a 99 smither to make them.) The hardest armor to get that is PERMANENT should be a bit more difficult to achieve. Even level 80's can mage Steel Dragons with virtually no risk if they're willing to spend just a bit of time.

[alphakoldes]

You all should remember that when the Dragon Medium Helm was released, the prices were way high, and people just like you were ranting about how they were being overpriced and manipulated by the rich merchants of the time. Back then, the GP was worth more, and 4 years ago, items above 5m were considered expensive, and now when we see a new item come out for 5m, that is extremely dirt cheap. Why is this happening? Inflation in the RuneScape economy over time. So when we talk about items from 4 years ago, they are directly related to today's items. Now, some of the last of the dragon armor is being released, most notably, the Dragon Platebody. Everyone here is complaining how it is so "overpriced." All you should remember that 4 years ago the rich merchants (AKA today's Jagex through the G.E.) raised prices extremely high for the Dragon Medium Helm, and eventually, the prices fall. Dragon Med Helm is now extremely cheap, and the same will happen for the Dragon Platebody.

 

 

 

The exact same cycle happens for every dragon item release and always will.

 

 

 

Deal888

 

 

 

Explain how this has happened for the DFH?

 

 

 

Not to speak for Deal or anything, but I think the reason this hasn't happened is because the DFS is not sub par, or even half decent shield-slot item... personally, I think it's the best. (At least up until the Spirit shields).

 

DFS breaks the "dragon" barrier as far as being sub par and costing a lot... so it makes sense the trends for how much it costs are different, too.

[bluehooloovo]

You all should remember that when the Dragon Medium Helm was released, the prices were way high, and people just like you were ranting about how they were being overpriced and manipulated by the rich merchants of the time. Back then, the GP was worth more, and 4 years ago, items above 5m were considered expensive, and now when we see a new item come out for 5m, that is extremely dirt cheap. Why is this happening? Inflation in the RuneScape economy over time. So when we talk about items from 4 years ago, they are directly related to today's items. Now, some of the last of the dragon armor is being released, most notably, the Dragon Platebody. Everyone here is complaining how it is so "overpriced." All you should remember that 4 years ago the rich merchants (AKA today's Jagex through the G.E.) raised prices extremely high for the Dragon Medium Helm, and eventually, the prices fall. Dragon Med Helm is now extremely cheap, and the same will happen for the Dragon Platebody.

 

 

 

The exact same cycle happens for every dragon item release and always will.

 

 

 

Deal888

 

 

 

Explain how this has happened for the DFH?

 

 

 

Not to speak for Deal or anything, but I think the reason this hasn't happened is because the DFS is not sub par, or even half decent shield-slot item... personally, I think it's the best. (At least up until the Spirit shields).

 

DFS breaks the "dragon" barrier as far as being sub par and costing a lot... so it makes sense the trends for how much it costs are different, too.

 

 

 

He said DFH (Dragon Full Helm), not DFS (DragonFire Shield)... :-#

[Cha0sx]

The Dragon Plate is already crashing. I can't sell my shard that I got for a drop 700k less than max.

 

 

 

It's just so easy to get the parts from the new demons. They are much easier than people who haven't been there think. IF you have decent prayer swithching skills and stats you can get around 10 soloed a trip. If higher you can even get up to 20 kills a trip maybe 25 with brews at max combats with the best gear and some skills/luck.

 

 

 

Dragon claws seem rarer to me, as me and my friend only found 1(but coinshared it, argh!) while we found 3 dragon plate parts.

 

 

 

Maybe you can't sell the shard because people are trying to buy one of the other shards or the actual platebody. And as long as one of those are being sold for max price or above med price, then all the other pieces can rise!

 

 

 

You have to consider that the price will change overall depending on four items not one, they are all interconnected (much like visage's and dragonfire shields, godsword blades and godswords etc). I don't see the platebody itself dropping at all on the G.E and until it does, it's not crashing.

 

 

 

Can't be sold at min now.

 

 

 

Yeah it's gonna fall, and fall hard.

 

 

 

Jagex was planning to nerf the requirements to make a Dragon Plate big time anyway, to 92 smith. And now it's become assistable too. AND they plan on releasing a spicy stew or something to increase your smithing level.

 

 

 

It's in the "this weeks updates faq" on rsof

[Blutters]

The Dragon Plate is already crashing. I can't sell my shard that I got for a drop 700k less than max.

 

 

 

It's just so easy to get the parts from the new demons. They are much easier than people who haven't been there think. IF you have decent prayer swithching skills and stats you can get around 10 soloed a trip. If higher you can even get up to 20 kills a trip maybe 25 with brews at max combats with the best gear and some skills/luck.

 

 

 

Dragon claws seem rarer to me, as me and my friend only found 1(but coinshared it, argh!) while we found 3 dragon plate parts.

 

 

 

Maybe you can't sell the shard because people are trying to buy one of the other shards or the actual platebody. And as long as one of those are being sold for max price or above med price, then all the other pieces can rise!

 

 

 

You have to consider that the price will change overall depending on four items not one, they are all interconnected (much like visage's and dragonfire shields, godsword blades and godswords etc). I don't see the platebody itself dropping at all on the G.E and until it does, it's not crashing.

 

 

 

Can't be sold at min now.

 

 

 

Yeah it's gonna fall, and fall hard.

 

 

 

Jagex was planning to nerf the requirements to make a Dragon Plate big time anyway, to 92 smith. And now it's become assistable too. AND they plan on releasing a spicy stew or something to increase your smithing level.

 

 

 

It's in the "this weeks updates faq" on rsof

 

The evil/spicy stew is from Recipe for Disaster....

[Tim]

 

dragon isnt what rich people want. godswords 3rd age is or bandos which is seriously cheap now

 

Sure, IF your over 120+ Combat and have good links to Boss-Hunters etc. otherwise you've fallen off Radar like myself and others.

 

 

 

But if Dragon is a status of wealth, and 3rd age is too, why Bother making 3rd age 65 when its only 5 higher then dragon? could it have been jagex wanted dragon as melee armor but never realised it to become a symbol later on? =\

[Mike_Ike111]

 

dragon isnt what rich people want. godswords 3rd age is or bandos which is seriously cheap now

 

Sure, IF your over 120+ Combat and have good links to Boss-Hunters etc. otherwise you've fallen off Radar like myself and others.

 

 

 

But if Dragon is a status of wealth, and 3rd age is too, why Bother making 3rd age 65 when its only 5 higher then dragon? could it have been jagex wanted dragon as melee armor but never realised it to become a symbol later on? =\

 

 

 

I remember when Dragon Baxes there the best weapon and before that dragon longs and before that R2H. Dragon was never meant to be a wealth symbol. Afterall, you could buy Dragon Axes in the Hero's guild. It was meant to be the armor to have to have the best, but ever since barrows there had been no need in dragon.

[Blutters]

 

dragon isnt what rich people want. godswords 3rd age is or bandos which is seriously cheap now

 

Sure, IF your over 120+ Combat and have good links to Boss-Hunters etc. otherwise you've fallen off Radar like myself and others.

 

 

 

But if Dragon is a status of wealth, and 3rd age is too, why Bother making 3rd age 65 when its only 5 higher then dragon? could it have been jagex wanted dragon as melee armor but never realised it to become a symbol later on? =\

 

Dragon equipment was both a status symbol and the best stuff out there up until Barrows. The same arguments about 3rd Age vs Dragon or Dragon vs 3rd Age or any mid-high level equipment could've been Rune vs Dragon back then.

 

 

 

I firmly believe that Barrows equipment was a mistake - it stunted the growth of armor and weapons in general.

[jimmyjames227]

Dragons good but sacred clay looks cooler and its eaiser to get 8-)

[karm1]

The set should have atleast "set special" something like +10% defens bonuses or attack.

 

Or each dragon item have a slot for gems that gives additonal bonuses..

 

med,sq has 1 slot

 

large,chain has 2 slot

 

legs,kite(probly out soon) has 3 slots

 

and platebody has 5 slots

 

 

 

We get the powerful gems from rare drop like dragon left shield or even rarer from all the monsters who drop regular gems or we get them from lvl3 clues.. there should be 3 types of gems:

 

Guthix - plus 4 to 20 slash,crush,stab defends and attacks

 

Saradomin - plus 3 to 12 to prayer bonus

 

Zamorak - plus 2 to 10 to strenght bonus

 

 

 

Once the gem is inside of the armour it cannot be taken out from there or replace it!

 

 

 

This should only goes to dragon armour..

 

 

 

Then the dragon chain,med and sq will be useful agen, after all they are still rare and hard to get, just underpirced becose of the barrows and GWD items...

[Huta]

The set should have atleast "set special" something like +10% defens bonuses or attack.

 

Or each dragon item have a slot for gems that gives additonal bonuses..

 

med,sq has 1 slot

 

large,chain has 2 slot

 

legs,kite(probly out soon) has 3 slots

 

and platebody has 5 slots

 

 

 

We get the powerful gems from rare drop like dragon left shield or even rarer from all the monsters who drop regular gems or we get them from lvl3 clues.. there should be 3 types of gems:

 

Guthix - plus 4 to 20 slash,crush,stab defends and attacks

 

Saradomin - plus 3 to 12 to prayer bonus

 

Zamorak - plus 2 to 10 to strenght bonus

 

 

 

Once the gem is inside of the armour it cannot be taken out from there or replace it!

 

 

 

This should only goes to dragon armour..

 

 

 

Then the dragon chain,med and sq will be useful agen, after all they are still rare and hard to get, just underpirced becose of the barrows and GWD items...

 

 

 

No biggie, you'd only have an extra +130 str on a full dragon set.

 

 

 

Now, about horses...

[dead_man_1]

The set should have atleast "set special" something like +10% defens bonuses or attack.

 

Or each dragon item have a slot for gems that gives additonal bonuses..

 

med,sq has 1 slot

 

large,chain has 2 slot

 

legs,kite(probly out soon) has 3 slots

 

and platebody has 5 slots

 

 

 

We get the powerful gems from rare drop like dragon left shield or even rarer from all the monsters who drop regular gems or we get them from lvl3 clues.. there should be 3 types of gems:

 

Guthix - plus 4 to 20 slash,crush,stab defends and attacks

 

Saradomin - plus 3 to 12 to prayer bonus

 

Zamorak - plus 2 to 10 to strenght bonus

 

 

 

Once the gem is inside of the armour it cannot be taken out from there or replace it!

 

 

 

This should only goes to dragon armour..

 

 

 

Then the dragon chain,med and sq will be useful agen, after all they are still rare and hard to get, just underpirced becose of the barrows and GWD items...

 

 

 

No biggie, you'd only have an extra +130 str on a full dragon set.

 

 

 

Now, about horses...

 

 

 

hah, horses! I would take a bear

[karm1]

now lets say that there is :

 

25% of geting 3 str bonus

 

20% of 4 str bonus

 

15% 5 str bonus

 

12% 6 str bonus

 

9% 7 str bonus

 

7% 8 str bonus

 

5% 9 tr bonus

 

2% 10 str bonus

 

and 5% of fail.. that means getting no additional bonus to strenght.. and the gems are really rare..

[dead_man_1]

now lets say that there is :

 

25% of geting 3 str bonus

 

20% of 4 str bonus

 

15% 5 str bonus

 

12% 6 str bonus

 

9% 7 str bonus

 

7% 8 str bonus

 

5% 9 tr bonus

 

2% 10 str bonus

 

and 5% of fail.. that means getting no additional bonus to strenght.. and the gems are really rare..

 

only 5% of fail ? would the gems be untradeable too?